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A reminder about crowdfunding
delete5230
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A little off topic from the game, I start with this saying:
"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone"
Part of crowdfunding is pay checks....People think developers should starve ?....and what they do with that money is no ones business. Does your boss say, I'll pay you this week as long as you tell me what you'll be spending it on ?
I'm sure many here hate the unfair displacement among rich and poor. But being in the video game industry is extremely risky no matter how intelligent you are "it takes a lot of guts". An intelligent person has many non-risky paths to be successful in life and this is one of the worst ones to be in.
If Pantheon is your style of game that you hope to be rekindled from the ashes, the player should be "grateful" in someone taking such a risk. Taking on a game such as this is yet a much deeper risk than mentioned above. Visionary Realms are battling against great odds.
It's already proven Pantheon is in development. To say at this point it's not is nonsense.
It's 100% pure passion on their part, no other way to explain it !
Their is no one that despises undeserving rich people more than me. Professional sports players are my gripe. Their should be less than a million dollar cap on their pay checks (far less really)....After that, they are milking the public for entertainment.
I have great appreciation for what their doing......Visionary Realms, keep up the good work
"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone"
Part of crowdfunding is pay checks....People think developers should starve ?....and what they do with that money is no ones business. Does your boss say, I'll pay you this week as long as you tell me what you'll be spending it on ?
I'm sure many here hate the unfair displacement among rich and poor. But being in the video game industry is extremely risky no matter how intelligent you are "it takes a lot of guts". An intelligent person has many non-risky paths to be successful in life and this is one of the worst ones to be in.
If Pantheon is your style of game that you hope to be rekindled from the ashes, the player should be "grateful" in someone taking such a risk. Taking on a game such as this is yet a much deeper risk than mentioned above. Visionary Realms are battling against great odds.
It's already proven Pantheon is in development. To say at this point it's not is nonsense.
It's 100% pure passion on their part, no other way to explain it !
Their is no one that despises undeserving rich people more than me. Professional sports players are my gripe. Their should be less than a million dollar cap on their pay checks (far less really)....After that, they are milking the public for entertainment.
I have great appreciation for what their doing......Visionary Realms, keep up the good work
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They have passion and are taking a risk but they are looking for a profit too and there is nothing wrong with that. Wanting to make money is not the problem with gaming today, that is perfectly natural. The problem with gaming today is that gaming companies have changed their culture to one of profit before quality of game. You used to make a great game and get a great profit, now you release something like Bless (where are we now 3 versions?), FO76, Anthem take the money and maybe make them into a good game down the line.
If you want more evidence of this change in culture look at the directors of gaming companies. Virtually none of them has any sort of gaming background, some like the former head of EA even crowed about the changes they were going to make to EA, putting accounting before creativity.
So profit is good, as long as you give the consumer a good product.
But I do have to say video games always seemed to have a deeper level of deterioration with a far lesser chance of consumer protection.... It's like:
"you paid for it, you now own it"..... It's always been like this, we always had to live with this exception.
In the early years of mmorpgs were built with passion. Developers created games above the un-checked consumer protection. Sure some failed but greed was not the problem. It was simply a failed project.
The change of culture you refer to is Big Business.... Greed first !
Visionary Realms are Old School management. I don't think you can find this in any product.
The vision is F#$^% You to Big business..... I have an idea and I'll not allow you to stop me !
I completely and 100% believe their is zero greed in this product. It's motivated by rebuilding dignity and regaining respect. And most of all PURE PASSION !!!!
I dunno, just a crazy thought which into my head.
Naw, let's just make COD17 and kaching!
Oh yeah, what was the OP about?
Something about athletes being grateful that gaming executives are paying Visionary realms too much so we should throw stones at rich people?
I say, throw away man, throw away!
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"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
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It takes away people's agency. You're basically saying (not you specifically) that people are incapable of assessing the risk, determining the value of their purchase, etc and so forth, and that some external entity (usually government) needs to make sure these people aren't "taken advantage" of.
Now, i'm all for laws about having to be transparent and not literally try to swindle people, but as long as the company isn't hiding something intentionally for that purpose, then its frankly none of anyone's business what two independent parties choose to do with each other.
Now, this is a different issue with children (which is a separate argument as to what defines a child in the sense of personal agency) and that would be under the purview of the government to regulate.
Anyways, i'm ranting so i'll shutup now.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
When you give money to a crowd funded game,they have NOT earned that money,not even one red cent.
When your boss pays you at work,you have EARNED that money,ALL of it.
When you give money to a CF game,you fully expect that money to go towards the game,i would never give money and figure,oh idc where it goes,he can take my money i entrusted to him and go on a vacation to the Bahamas.
There is a lot more to the CF/KS idea than simply where the money goes.
keyword>>ORGANIZED structured game design.I can simply point to Star Citizen,this is NOT the game that was advertised,the current version is one that made excuses to NOT be finished bu to allow continued funding,to acquire more money to design ideas,a game ON A WHIM,just WING IT as they go.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Investors wanted to make a 'safe' game, that was just like all the other successful games, but spend less money making it, using less talent to build it, in a less time, and yet expect it to be somehow more successful.
But hey again, why bother with logic when you can just spout out some nonsense...
Exactly, however as I pointed out in a different thread, we (the forum users) are a very small piece of an already tiny piece of the gaming world.
There are people out there that can't wait for the yearly sports games to drop, the bi-yearly Shooters to drop. Like clockwork, they line up to pay for these games and they really do not care at all how "good" or "bad" their game is they just want their game, and it makes studios millions. That is what investors, stockholders, and ultimately development studios want. Profit. MMORPGS just do not pull in the profit other genre's of gaming do not even close.
We, on the other hand, want new and innovation, most of us are sick of playing WoW in a different package. We want all the bang but we do not put up the buck, our genre of gaming is just not that profitable which is why I try to support indy Devs when I feel like they might actually get something off the ground, but all I have seen to date is very inexperienced Game devs, biting off far more than they can chew. I am very interested in seeing that statement being proven wrong.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
didn't the guy who ran the company for this game kinda vanish with the first kickstarter money?
and... you go again? cool.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
The AA space however (the one above indie) has already been replaced largely by crowdfunding because the capital needed just to deliver these games is so much more then before that it is hardly possible for smaller companies to cough it up. Hell, one misstep can already spell doom for such a company, as we have seen time and again.
I am not talking about BS promotional Kickstarters, or delivering proof of concept through crowdfunding etc. but actual developers and actual AA games. Like Geim Dawn, like Wasteland 2 etc. etc.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
-Are they suppose to starve ?
-How would they expect workers to come to work ?
-Do they pay the workers and not themselves ?
-What do they tell their wifes and family when they go 5 years without a pay check ?
You pay more for health insurance today (assuming you're from the U.S.) because an overwhelming number of Americans refuse to exercise and eat processed sugar 22 hours out of every day. Your damn right I feel strongly they should put down the donut and pick up the dumbbell, because preventative care is vastly cheaper than treating type 2 diabetes.
Consumer activity influences the market we all participate in. As many here mention whenever we discuss these kinds of things: if people weren't buying in, companies wouldn't be pursuing these goals.
So perhaps they also share part of the blame?
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon