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  • bng28bng28 Member UncommonPosts: 39
    edited May 10

    OG_Zorvan said:

    I remember buying the PS1 for Final Fantasy VII after seeing a demo. I bought the PS2 specifically for Final Fantasy X. I even bought the PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII ( and regretted it, as XIII wasn't exactly stellar and PS3 did not have the benefit of an rpg library the likes of PS1 and PS2 ). There hasn't been a Final Fantasy since that I would buy a console, or any other expensive piece of hardware, for. FFVII: Remake might have got me to scrounge up a used PS4 at least when it's fully released ( not doing that episodic crap ), but it's going to be on PC, so no need. Another reason I'm waiting on purchase isn't the episodic nonsense, but whether or not they do more "reboot" than remake. I don't want the flavor and politics of 2019 shoveled into this game, I want the flavor and politics of 1996 left just where they were with a shiny new coat of pixels.



    This game will flop if they changed the story. My biggest fear is that this wont just be a reskinned ffvii but a familiar world with several changes from the original. I can live with the battle system changes, I think that battle mechanics are a natural progression/evolution of games so of course it wont be the time based turn system. edit: the only acceptable changes to the story imho is the rumored unfinished part of the story that was supposed to be aeris resurrection. If I'm not mistaken development was rushed on the original and they couldnt fit that part in.
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  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member UncommonPosts: 1,409
    bng28 said:

    OG_Zorvan said:

    I remember buying the PS1 for Final Fantasy VII after seeing a demo. I bought the PS2 specifically for Final Fantasy X. I even bought the PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII ( and regretted it, as XIII wasn't exactly stellar and PS3 did not have the benefit of an rpg library the likes of PS1 and PS2 ). There hasn't been a Final Fantasy since that I would buy a console, or any other expensive piece of hardware, for. FFVII: Remake might have got me to scrounge up a used PS4 at least when it's fully released ( not doing that episodic crap ), but it's going to be on PC, so no need. Another reason I'm waiting on purchase isn't the episodic nonsense, but whether or not they do more "reboot" than remake. I don't want the flavor and politics of 2019 shoveled into this game, I want the flavor and politics of 1996 left just where they were with a shiny new coat of pixels.



    This game will flop if they changed the story. My biggest fear is that this wont just be a reskinned ffvii but a familiar world with several changes from the original. I can live with the battle system changes, I think that battle mechanics are a natural progression/evolution of games so of course it wont be the time based turn system. edit: the only acceptable changes to the story imho is the rumored unfinished part of the story that was supposed to be aeris resurrection. If I'm not mistaken development was rushed on the original and they couldnt fit that part in.
    They'd have to retcon a lot of the expanded universe if they changed the story.  Admittingly it's been a long time since they've touched the expanded universe material but I doubt they'd want to make any drastic changes to retcon it when they might always want the option of re-releasing or remaking expanded universe games in the future.

    That said, I very much expect them to throw in a lot more nods to expanded universe material this time around.  They seemed to have a grand old time having each game and novel and Advent Children shout-out or reference each other back when FFVII side-games and novels were a thing.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,528
    The trailer looks good. I'll wait until it's fully released before I buy it. I'm not doing strung along chapters or in overpriced piecemeal chunks. Fucking Squeenix and Sony, the master milkers.
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,215
    Torval said:
    The trailer looks good. I'll wait until it's fully released before I buy it. I'm not doing strung along chapters or in overpriced piecemeal chunks. Fucking Squeenix and Sony, the master milkers.
    Reading how it was described it seems like they are releasing chapters but each one is a full game length? I can't find where I read it but they said it wasn't chapters like a telltale or Life is Strange type of game, but actual full games. I don't really understand how they can do that with a 40 hour game, but I guess we will see. 

    If they can pad the length to 40 hours for each chapter, and not ruin the pacing, then I'll be fine with it. 
    Torval
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,528
    Torval said:
    The trailer looks good. I'll wait until it's fully released before I buy it. I'm not doing strung along chapters or in overpriced piecemeal chunks. Fucking Squeenix and Sony, the master milkers.
    Reading how it was described it seems like they are releasing chapters but each one is a full game length? I can't find where I read it but they said it wasn't chapters like a telltale or Life is Strange type of game, but actual full games. I don't really understand how they can do that with a 40 hour game, but I guess we will see. 

    If they can pad the length to 40 hours for each chapter, and not ruin the pacing, then I'll be fine with it. 
    Yeah, we'll have to see how it goes . I'm not a fan of piecemeal because by the time the next chapter releases the moment and momentum are gone. The ideas I had going are pretty much gone. On top of that they're much more expensive to purchase as chapters. You can end up paying nearly twice as much for a game that way.

    In my opinion that was a huge flaw in the release with Telltale titles. They should have been released as one full game. Other chapter games suffer similarly. That probably wouldn't have saved them from the fact that many people enjoyed watching others play the story on YouTube rather than buy the games themselves. That could be true of this game as well now, but I don't think that is as likely.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,528
    bng28 said:

    OG_Zorvan said:

    I remember buying the PS1 for Final Fantasy VII after seeing a demo. I bought the PS2 specifically for Final Fantasy X. I even bought the PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII ( and regretted it, as XIII wasn't exactly stellar and PS3 did not have the benefit of an rpg library the likes of PS1 and PS2 ). There hasn't been a Final Fantasy since that I would buy a console, or any other expensive piece of hardware, for. FFVII: Remake might have got me to scrounge up a used PS4 at least when it's fully released ( not doing that episodic crap ), but it's going to be on PC, so no need. Another reason I'm waiting on purchase isn't the episodic nonsense, but whether or not they do more "reboot" than remake. I don't want the flavor and politics of 2019 shoveled into this game, I want the flavor and politics of 1996 left just where they were with a shiny new coat of pixels.



    This game will flop if they changed the story. My biggest fear is that this wont just be a reskinned ffvii but a familiar world with several changes from the original. I can live with the battle system changes, I think that battle mechanics are a natural progression/evolution of games so of course it wont be the time based turn system. edit: the only acceptable changes to the story imho is the rumored unfinished part of the story that was supposed to be aeris resurrection. If I'm not mistaken development was rushed on the original and they couldnt fit that part in.
    They'd have to retcon a lot of the expanded universe if they changed the story.  Admittingly it's been a long time since they've touched the expanded universe material but I doubt they'd want to make any drastic changes to retcon it when they might always want the option of re-releasing or remaking expanded universe games in the future.

    That said, I very much expect them to throw in a lot more nods to expanded universe material this time around.  They seemed to have a grand old time having each game and novel and Advent Children shout-out or reference each other back when FFVII side-games and novels were a thing.
    I hear the "fear of story change" and while it's real that reboots have screwed with storylines before, no one with that fear ever details what they expect those changes to be. It's always a vague angsty fear with zero quality real details.

    What would retconning the story get them? It's massive risk for almost no payout.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,115
    edited May 10
    I don't mind games that are in chapters when each chapter is the size of a typical game. That seems to be the case here. It's more like what Blizz did with Starcraft II or like Mass Effect 1-3 being the full story, from what they've said.
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  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 1,517
    edited May 10
    Expanding Midgar to be a full game wouldn't be too hard.  It was always an underutilized setting where the game teased about so much more being there than what you were allowed to explore.  Pre-Midgar and Post-Midgar kinda feel like separate games even in the original FFVII anyways (in terms of both story-telling style, atmosphere, gameplay presentation, themes and villains... practically everything besides combat mechanics, really, and even the combat battles are different in lots of ways since it's before a lot of later combat mechanics come into play including but not limited to summons, links, choice of limit break, choice of party members, etc).

    It's expanding what happens AFTER Midgar to be more than one game without it either dragging on or feeling disjointed that I personally find hard to imagine.  Right off the bat, the next game starting out outside Midgar (assuming the first game ends with Midgar) would feel kinda… strange, IMHO. And I'm not really sure how you could decently divvy up the overworld between multiple games without it seeming like a hack cut and paste job.
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    edited May 11
    This game looks great. I'm not really happy about it being split up into chapters. So like a few others have said, I'll wait till it all releases before I pick it up.
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  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member UncommonPosts: 699

    Arterius said:



    voltt said:


    Not sure but is this still turned base or action like some of the more recent FF games?






    Seems to be like the combat of Kingdom hearts when you slow down the trailer. The R2 and L2 buttons switch characters, you press L1 to bring up a sub menu with quick access to select magic or items. Square seems to be a basic attack and Triangle seems to be a heavy attack.



    thats what it looks like to me too. im passing on this unless its turn based.
  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member UncommonPosts: 699

    Phry said:

    FF VII is to me at least, the best one of all, closely followed by VIII ans XIV:ARR, however, for this to be a console exclusive would be a waste, i am sick and tired of those kinds of scummy tactics, so unless its on PC, i'll pass. :/



    so you're all against console exclusives but are you against PC only? or is it because PC is YOUR platform of choice?
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,431
    edited May 11
    Yeah, cause chapters turned out well for them (X/X-2 + XIII/-2/Lightning Returns with the XIII series almost bankrupting the company). Honestly, VII's story was mediocre at best (to me) but what really made the game good was all the side/hidden stuff that you could do. Sure you could speed through the entire game in 30-40 hours or you could do everything and have it take up to 100~ hours. The only real way I see this turning out half way decent in the end is if they take the crisis core approach (which they really should port to the pc).
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Will wait as well on all episodes to release before buying. Looks great though and my ps4 or ps5 will get some use.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,330
    7 was i think the very last game in the FF series i purchased.I never liked what i saw in previous years so never bothered.After playing it,not really as good as all the hype made it out to be,i still cherish FF3 as being innovative and the basis to which FFXI online was designed.

    So i won't be buying this,i already have little interest if any to play the Steam version i already own.

    I feel Square has a different direction in game design now,imo not the correct direction but i guess if catering to the masses for profits,sure go nuts.

    Here is the thing about a FFVII remake,they said NO....NO and more NO's for several years.So obviously when they finally tried a few cheaper remakes and did well,it is all about the money.So knowing this is ONLY a money grab off a successful game,i don't feel much passion will be put into the remake.
    If i see some video gameplay by a reputable You Tuber,i might look further into it but as is,FFVII is really not worth ANOTHER purchase and that considering i likely bought 6-8 versions of FFXI so it is not about the money for me.

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  • ScellowScellow Member RarePosts: 389
    I refuse to play a FF game if it doesn't have turn by turn combat system

    I don't want the AI to control my team, they should have never remaked this game if it's to change its DNA, that's stupid imo
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,750
    As someone who owns close to 40 FF titles all versions combined I can securely say that FFVII wouldn’t even make my top 3. And although this version looks stunning it also looks fairly far removed from the original.

    /Cheers,
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,330

    OG_Zorvan said:

    I remember buying the PS1 for Final Fantasy VII after seeing a demo. I bought the PS2 specifically for Final Fantasy X. I even bought the PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII ( and regretted it, as XIII wasn't exactly stellar and PS3 did not have the benefit of an rpg library the likes of PS1 and PS2 ). There hasn't been a Final Fantasy since that I would buy a console, or any other expensive piece of hardware, for. FFVII: Remake might have got me to scrounge up a used PS4 at least when it's fully released ( not doing that episodic crap ), but it's going to be on PC, so no need. Another reason I'm waiting on purchase isn't the episodic nonsense, but whether or not they do more "reboot" than remake. I don't want the flavor and politics of 2019 shoveled into this game, I want the flavor and politics of 1996 left just where they were with a shiny new coat of pixels.



    Similar for me,i loved FFX ,i can't say enough good things about the scripting,passionate personalities of the characters.
    To me Yuna was the most iconic npc i have ever encountered,with Tidus being a very close second.I did not get any feeling of passionate script writing or characters in FFVII,just a band of thugs doing whatever.

    I think FVII was meant to cater to that rebellious crowd while 10 was for the people who wanted a passionate game,one with a boat load of feeling put into it.geesh even the lesser characters played such a big role,the Wakka's ,Riku ,most games you remember 1-2 main characters and within FVII i have a hard time recalling anything.

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  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 2,867

    Scellow said:

    I refuse to play a FF game if it doesn't have turn by turn combat system



    I don't want the AI to control my team, they should have never remaked this game if it's to change its DNA, that's stupid imo



    this , i despise what they have done to my favorite rpg series :( , we can only hope for FFXVI coming back to what made FF so cool , ATB , Turns i dont care , i want my FF games back
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 2,867

    Wizardry said:



    OG_Zorvan said:


    I remember buying the PS1 for Final Fantasy VII after seeing a demo. I bought the PS2 specifically for Final Fantasy X. I even bought the PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII ( and regretted it, as XIII wasn't exactly stellar and PS3 did not have the benefit of an rpg library the likes of PS1 and PS2 ). There hasn't been a Final Fantasy since that I would buy a console, or any other expensive piece of hardware, for. FFVII: Remake might have got me to scrounge up a used PS4 at least when it's fully released ( not doing that episodic crap ), but it's going to be on PC, so no need. Another reason I'm waiting on purchase isn't the episodic nonsense, but whether or not they do more "reboot" than remake. I don't want the flavor and politics of 2019 shoveled into this game, I want the flavor and politics of 1996 left just where they were with a shiny new coat of pixels.






    Similar for me,i loved FFX ,i can't say enough good things about the scripting,passionate personalities of the characters.

    To me Yuna was the most iconic npc i have ever encountered,with Tidus being a very close second.I did not get any feeling of passionate script writing or characters in FFVII,just a band of thugs doing whatever.



    I think FVII was meant to cater to that rebellious crowd while 10 was for the people who wanted a passionate game,one with a boat load of feeling put into it.geesh even the lesser characters played such a big role,the Wakka's ,Riku ,most games you remember 1-2 main characters and within FVII i have a hard time recalling anything.




    oh come on before FFX

    IV had a love story

    VIII had a fun love-story with Squall and Rinoa

    IX has another love-story , but it has Vivi and Vivi is what made FFIX for me , is just one of the best characters on the franchise.


    btw cant wait to see Nanaki on action ....that would be a cool char to play , same goes for yuffie , ninja action !
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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 6,342
    Bah it is action based. I guess I will pass then.
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  • angerbeaverangerbeaver Member UncommonPosts: 1,056
    Pass, VII was the worst in the series. I even prefer VIII over it.

    Maybe as a kid the grind to level up the materia is what made me hate the game. I really cannot remember. I just always never understood how this was probably the most famous and popular FF game.
  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member UncommonPosts: 1,469
    Inb4 it becomes another hot 6/10 from Squenix. I swear if they fuck this up, there is no hope.
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