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Heroes of the Storm Player Arrested for Making Terrorist Threats In-Game - MMORPG.com

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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,177




    Galadourn said:


    Isn't it a bit far fetched to press charges based on expressed "intentions" in a video game?






    Not if you type things like this:



    “Someday, when I have enough money to buy a gun and some ammunition I will shoot up a school where I live,” Mickowski wrote.



    “Imagine if I decided to go to an elementary school too. Instead of a high school or middle school imagine. I’ll buy a gun and shoot everyone I can. I’ll stream it on twitch.”



    Mickowski also wrote “other dark statements,” according to the arrest report, including: “Promise, watch me blow the head off a 5-year-old with a 12-gauge shotgun.”



    So yeah... a nutjob in the making (or already made). He deserves to be behind bars.



    Agreed. I don't see how some people can joke about it like this is funny nor do I agree that this guy deserves to be executed for threats like this but its clear that this man is a danger to those around him for even thinking to make those comments.
    The thing that sticks out to me is; he had a plan. I am saving money to buy the tools I need to do this. He had a location in mind. This school, no wait, this school. Which is also indicative that he was thinking about it (pre-meditating) the crime. Any Law Enforcement Agency in the world would take that seriously.

    I am going to kill you! ok, whatever.

    I am going to kill you tomorrow, at school, with an AK47, around lunchtime. 

    It goes from being a general statement which most people will blow off to a specific plan, which needs to be taken seriously.
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  • DinastyDinasty Member UncommonPosts: 180

    Galadourn said:

    Isn't it a bit far fetched to press charges based on expressed "intentions" in a video game?



    Hell no. Lock that trash up and throw away the key.
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  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,708
    I have mixed feelings on this. Firstly, this kid may have issues that need to be addressed. Arresting him may not but the best way to address them. Secondly, just saying something threatening should never be a reason to arrest someone. In fact, I would suggest that it is a violation of this guys civil rights to do so. Yes, he threatened to do something horrendous but he did not take any action towards carrying it out. If he gets proper legal consul he probably will never be convicted. He should have been flagged by the local police and been investigated to see if he had intent on carrying out the threats BEFORE he was arrested.

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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,102
    Getting arrested and hopefully evaluated mentally is a good thing even if he doesn't serve any real time or get prosecuted any further. Kids will say dumb things.. alot. Getting the shit scared out of them by going through something like this is what they need.

    The problem? If this kid had no intention on doing something like this and was only saying it for the "wow" factor or internet points, then ruining his entire life would be a complete and total shame. Scare the hell out of him. Evaluate him and if he seems ok don't push it.
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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 5,776
    Gruug said:
    I have mixed feelings on this. Firstly, this kid....

    The problem? If this kid had no intention....
    Since when was 26 years old a kid?
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,015
    This is the stuff companies need to be protecting their "young players" from, and not f^%&#g tiddies.

    *i'm looking at you Sony*
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,102
    Gruug said:
    I have mixed feelings on this. Firstly, this kid may have issues that need to be addressed. Arresting him may not but the best way to address them. Secondly, just saying something threatening should never be a reason to arrest someone. In fact, I would suggest that it is a violation of this guys civil rights to do so. Yes, he threatened to do something horrendous but he did not take any action towards carrying it out. If he gets proper legal consul he probably will never be convicted. He should have been flagged by the local police and been investigated to see if he had intent on carrying out the threats BEFORE he was arrested.
    Certain threats are criminal and do not violate civil rights to be arrested for.  It is deemed that the courts are the ones to determine if these threats deserve criminal prosecution or not.  
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,102
    Getting arrested and hopefully evaluated mentally is a good thing even if he doesn't serve any real time or get prosecuted any further. Kids will say dumb things.. alot. Getting the shit scared out of them by going through something like this is what they need.

    The problem? If this kid had no intention on doing something like this and was only saying it for the "wow" factor or internet points, then ruining his entire life would be a complete and total shame. Scare the hell out of him. Evaluate him and if he seems ok don't push it.
    I would rather make an example out of him to the other idiots.  Too many internet kids coming out into the real world thinking there are no consequences for their actions.  They carry over their internet hate banter to the real world and are surprised that it can get them in trouble.


  • dekkion1dekkion1 Member UncommonPosts: 140
    edited April 20

    Scorchien said:

    lol dumass , have a nice time in the GP , thatll learn ya


    Scorchien said:

    lol dumass , have a nice time in the GP , thatll learn ya



    lol..matter of fact lmfao...forest gump said it best stupid is as stupid does...
    and i bet the first thing this asshole kid said..after his parents fainted!! lol.. when the cops came knocking at his door was
    hey!!! how did you guys find me.
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  • TheCredibleHulkTheCredibleHulk Member UncommonPosts: 19
    edited April 20
    I'd have to look at the context and read things for myself. But the jackass should have known better, especially after what happened to the last person that did this. Difference being, in the last time someone called the person horrible in League of Legends and he made the statement along the lines of "lol yeah, I'm terrible. I just might go do this (similar statement)." Followed by "LOL, JK". In addition to the guy still being a teen. Which landed him six years of jail / house arrest. The DA had to prolong the trial for as long as he could since he knew the teen couldn't be convicted since it was obviously a F'd up joke if a court saw the context. Which traverses the line of false imprisonment due to a violation of freedom of speech among other things.

    But in this case, if we're to believe information, it seems to be a legitimate threat directed at children. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from the consequences of such.
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,102
    Vrika said:
    Gruug said:
    I have mixed feelings on this. Firstly, this kid....

    The problem? If this kid had no intention....
    Since when was 26 years old a kid?
    I guess reading what happened cancelled out reading his age since it seems more logical coming from a teenager, but I still stand that depending on his mental state it could be a big mistake destroying his entire life over it. That said he does need to go on watch lists just in case. 

    It's important to remember that just because you say you're going to do something doesn't mean you will and most people that do these things don't say anything at all.
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,525
    Did these people ever get arrested?




  • BladeburaibaBladeburaiba Member UncommonPosts: 80
    In today's climate, where many people have either unreasonable expectations of police from TV dramas, or others think they shouldn't be able to do anything unless they see a bullet coming out of a gun first, it's easy to deduce why the po-po arrested him.

    1. Optics.  If something happens, people will say "OMG they did nothing, and the idiot TOLD everybody!"
    2. I think many people assume criminals are devious and would NEVER scream out what they may do.  However, if you think about it, people who intend to massacre children are likely...whacked in some way.  That's why they intend to massacre children.  It's not so strange they would do whacky things.  Think Dr. Evil from Austin Powers.  And of course, IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
    3. I'm sure it does cut down on the amount of people making threats like these if you think you might get investigated.  Sorta like the IRS boogie man.

    Even if they have to release him because of insufficient evidence, it serves the purpose.  In this environment, if they want to keep their jobs, it is the right thing to do.
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  • phoenixfire2phoenixfire2 Member UncommonPosts: 90
    Such a thing must be taken seriously whether it was tongue in cheek or not.  He was likely trying to get a reaction and didn't intend to do what he was saying, but it'd be negligence on the part of authorities to ignore it.  I feel like only a very dark individual would ever say such things even if it was only to garner attention.  If not behind bars, he likely needs to be in a mental hospital.
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    In today's climate, where many people have either unreasonable expectations of police from TV dramas, or others think they shouldn't be able to do anything unless they see a bullet coming out of a gun first, it's easy to deduce why the po-po arrested him.

    1. Optics.  If something happens, people will say "OMG they did nothing, and the idiot TOLD everybody!"
    2. I think many people assume criminals are devious and would NEVER scream out what they may do.  However, if you think about it, people who intend to massacre children are likely...whacked in some way.  That's why they intend to massacre children.  It's not so strange they would do whacky things.  Think Dr. Evil from Austin Powers.  And of course, IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
    3. I'm sure it does cut down on the amount of people making threats like these if you think you might get investigated.  Sorta like the IRS boogie man.

    Even if they have to release him because of insufficient evidence, it serves the purpose.  In this environment, if they want to keep their jobs, it is the right thing to do.


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  • BlueThunderBearBlueThunderBear Member UncommonPosts: 176
    This is the stuff companies need to be protecting their "young players" from, and not f^%&#g tiddies.

    *i'm looking at you Sony*
     But lady nipples are sinful and unnatural and will surely cause psychological damage.
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,177
    This is the stuff companies need to be protecting their "young players" from, and not f^%&#g tiddies.

    *i'm looking at you Sony*
    I usually do not jump on the bashing a developer bandwagon, but in this instance I 100% agree with you.

    I feel that there should be "observers" (or lots of them) in every game, not to protect us from the oh so scary boob, but to keep hate speech, threats, and this type of behavior in check. If we know someone is watching us, we tend to be a bit more conscious of what we are saying/doing.


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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,542
    its the only way people learn... Consequence. Very good. Next...
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,542
    Getting arrested and hopefully evaluated mentally is a good thing even if he doesn't serve any real time or get prosecuted any further. Kids will say dumb things.. alot. Getting the shit scared out of them by going through something like this is what they need.

    The problem? If this kid had no intention on doing something like this and was only saying it for the "wow" factor or internet points, then ruining his entire life would be a complete and total shame. Scare the hell out of him. Evaluate him and if he seems ok don't push it.
    26 is a full adult, not a kid. wtf... He should be treated as a full adult. Ruin his life to set the precedent that this isn't tolerated. I'm all for it. stop doing stupid shit if you can't deal with the consequences. 
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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    This is the stuff companies need to be protecting their "young players" from, and not f^%&#g tiddies.

    *i'm looking at you Sony*
     But lady nipples are sinful and unnatural and will surely cause psychological damage.
    Hey on a cold day one could put your eye out.

    "You have kept me at your beck and call for fifteen years. I shall never again do what you demand of me. By every rule of single combat, from this moment your life belongs to me. Is that not correct? Then I shall simply declare you dead. In all of your dealings with me, you'll do me the courtesy to conduct yourself as a dead man. I have submitted to your notions of honor long enough. You will now submit to mine."

  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,102
    klash2def said:
    Getting arrested and hopefully evaluated mentally is a good thing even if he doesn't serve any real time or get prosecuted any further. Kids will say dumb things.. alot. Getting the shit scared out of them by going through something like this is what they need.

    The problem? If this kid had no intention on doing something like this and was only saying it for the "wow" factor or internet points, then ruining his entire life would be a complete and total shame. Scare the hell out of him. Evaluate him and if he seems ok don't push it.
    26 is a full adult, not a kid. wtf... He should be treated as a full adult. Ruin his life to set the precedent that this isn't tolerated. I'm all for it. stop doing stupid shit if you can't deal with the consequences. 
    Like I said later, most people who do these things don't talk about it before hand. Throwing the book at him won't really teach anyone anything except keep your mouth shut.
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,968
    edited April 21
    Oh look, more good ole American home baked terrorism. Thank goodness this moron got checked before he could make any actual moves.

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  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,008
    edited April 21

    Galadourn said:

    Isn't it a bit far fetched to press charges based on expressed "intentions" in a video game?



    The charge is terroristic threats. That seems to match to me. The charge wasn't terroristic intentions. Telling someone you are going to kill them is against the law as well and people do it all the time but.... I had to leave a student with police once because he wouldn't back down on threatening to kill another student while everyone was asleep (week long trip). He wouldn't even quit when the police came.

    Likely this guy would have though :)

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  • AbimorAbimor Member UncommonPosts: 490
    Man I dont know it should be taken seriously by the police, and if you have children in school like @SBFord this has to be super scary, but who decides what a terroristic threat is how can you lock some one up for a crime when they do not have the means. he is saving up money for a gun? so he currently does not have one. put him on a list and watch him with out him ever knowing he is being watched as for the fact that vegas police do not have the manpower there are lists of left wing right wing and crazy people that are watched all the time by the government. Flag him and do not let him buy a gun until he proves he is sane or let him buy a gun then lock him up now you know he has intent.  We have gone so far in this country from innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt to we dont like the way this guy talks or he has been accused by this person for that so throw the key away it is crazy. I know that is not a popular opinion but if we start locking people up for saying something they cant actually enact were not going to have a free cell anywhere. this guy was running his mouth everyone on this forum has said something stupid in the heat of the moment at least once maybe not to this degree but when you start punishing people for that I do not want to live here anymore. this is one of the major reasons we left a communist country 20 years ago because you could be locked up by the police for not really committing a crime and they could throw away the key for ideas like oh I dont know freedom of speech or planning to leave said country. again I am all for them doing a psych evaluation but he has not done anything yet. talking and doing two different things. Sorry guys I just can not get behind the lock him forever because he shot off his mouth.     
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,968
    In today's climate, where many people have either unreasonable expectations of police from TV dramas, or others think they shouldn't be able to do anything unless they see a bullet coming out of a gun first, it's easy to deduce why the po-po arrested him.

    1. Optics.  If something happens, people will say "OMG they did nothing, and the idiot TOLD everybody!"
    2. I think many people assume criminals are devious and would NEVER scream out what they may do.  However, if you think about it, people who intend to massacre children are likely...whacked in some way.  That's why they intend to massacre children.  It's not so strange they would do whacky things.  Think Dr. Evil from Austin Powers.  And of course, IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
    3. I'm sure it does cut down on the amount of people making threats like these if you think you might get investigated.  Sorta like the IRS boogie man.

    Even if they have to release him because of insufficient evidence, it serves the purpose.  In this environment, if they want to keep their jobs, it is the right thing to do.



    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

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