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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,961
    I would LOVE to pick FF XIV but I don't have a gaming PC.. or Playstation... so it's ESO because Xbox. I should just go buy a PS4 too...
    Buschkatze
  • immoralthangimmoralthang Member UncommonPosts: 220
    If I can actually put down the Division 2 by May, then I’m off to Elswyr.

    I’m also really excited to subscribe to SWTOR again in September for Onslaught, even if it’s for only one month. I always will pay for more story content.
    Valdheim
  • gago889gago889 Member UncommonPosts: 18
    I play ESO and enoy it very much. But I hope FF14 will aways be healthy , many ppl work so hard to make FF14, they deserve a happy ending.
    SovrathOctagon7711ValdheimNycteliosBuschkatze
  • AenghasAenghas Member UncommonPosts: 72
    I'd have said somewhere between Snorlax and Machoke, certainly in the muscle bear region though ;)

    I guess he is shy because he has a family and stuff but he doesn't need to be.
  • Beyond_EterniaBeyond_Eternia Member UncommonPosts: 99
    I am really digging using a gunblade. I am also digging fighting dragons. Ballz!
    Valdheim
    Time you enjoy wasting...is not wasted time
  • NephethNepheth Member RarePosts: 424
    edited April 16
    ESO for me. I love FFXIV and played the shit out of it after I completely quit WoW. But even tho I love the lore, art style and the game itself, I have some serious problems with it that I can't get over.

    First of all I hate that FFXIV has zero class customization. Literally none... If I'm playing a WM there is nothing that makes me differentiate myself from any other WM out there. No talent system, no skill customization, no item differences. Nothing... This is my biggest problem about this game.

    Secondly the combat is a big problem. I'm not saying ESO has a great combat system either. It has its own problems. But the gcd and the intended skill lag in FFXIV is getting on my nerves tbh.

    And lastly how they handle the pvp content is ridiculous. Most of your skills are removed in pvp, again you have no customization, same gcd applies in pvp and it is a much much bigger problem because at least in dungeons and raids they are designing fights around that stupid gcd so you will be more comfortable playing with it. But in pvp it is outrageous. I tried playing Gw2 for pvp and focus only the pve content in FFXIV but it doesn't work. I'm the kind of a guy that enjoys playing one mmorpg and focus on it alone. I hate playing multiple mmos at the same time.

    This is really sad for me because I love both the community and the world of FFXIV a lot more than ESO but while I have these serious issues with FFXIV, other than some minor issues ESO is a complete package for me.
    ValdheimBuschkatze
  • QSatuQSatu Member UncommonPosts: 1,766
    FFXIV added a car from FFXV as a mount. I know 14 has scfi elements but the car doesn't suit the game at all. It's just fanservice. This is one of the main reasons why I can't stand eastern mmos any more. They will add anything into a game as long as it;s "cute".
    So for me definetetly Elswear (althiugh I will wait a little b/c imo ESOs expansions are overpriced at release).
    ValdheimBuschkatze
  • dekkion1dekkion1 Member UncommonPosts: 140

    Nepheth said:

    ESO for me. I love FFXIV and played the shit out of it after I completely quit WoW. But even tho I love the lore, art style and the game itself, I have some serious problems with it that I can't get over.



    First of all I hate that FFXIV has zero class customization. Literally none... If I'm playing a WM there is nothing that makes me differentiate myself from any other WM out there. No talent system, no skill customization, no item differences. Nothing... This is my biggest problem about this game.



    Secondly the combat is a big problem. I'm not saying ESO has a great combat system either. It has its own problems. But the gcd and the intended skill lag in FFXIV is getting on my nerves tbh.



    And lastly how they handle the pvp content is ridiculous. Most of your skills are removed in pvp, again you have no customization, same gcd applies in pvp and it is a much much bigger problem because at least in dungeons and raids they are designing fights around that stupid gcd so you will be more comfortable playing with it. But in pvp it is outrageous. I tried playing Gw2 for pvp and focus only the pve content in FFXIV but it doesn't work. I'm the kind of a guy that enjoys playing one mmorpg and focus on it alone. I hate playing multiple mmos at the same time.



    This is really sad for me because I love both the community and the world of FFXIV a lot more than ESO but while I have these serious issues with FFXIV, other than some minor issues ESO is a complete package for me.


    there is no skill lag.....better check your internet connection and ff14 is a better game than eso. and wow
    Buschkatze
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  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,305
    ESO for me, can't wait! been playing too much POE and need a break soon :smiley:
    Buschkatze
  • NephethNepheth Member RarePosts: 424
    dekkion1 said:

    Nepheth said:

    ESO for me. I love FFXIV and played the shit out of it after I completely quit WoW. But even tho I love the lore, art style and the game itself, I have some serious problems with it that I can't get over.



    First of all I hate that FFXIV has zero class customization. Literally none... If I'm playing a WM there is nothing that makes me differentiate myself from any other WM out there. No talent system, no skill customization, no item differences. Nothing... This is my biggest problem about this game.



    Secondly the combat is a big problem. I'm not saying ESO has a great combat system either. It has its own problems. But the gcd and the intended skill lag in FFXIV is getting on my nerves tbh.



    And lastly how they handle the pvp content is ridiculous. Most of your skills are removed in pvp, again you have no customization, same gcd applies in pvp and it is a much much bigger problem because at least in dungeons and raids they are designing fights around that stupid gcd so you will be more comfortable playing with it. But in pvp it is outrageous. I tried playing Gw2 for pvp and focus only the pve content in FFXIV but it doesn't work. I'm the kind of a guy that enjoys playing one mmorpg and focus on it alone. I hate playing multiple mmos at the same time.



    This is really sad for me because I love both the community and the world of FFXIV a lot more than ESO but while I have these serious issues with FFXIV, other than some minor issues ESO is a complete package for me.


    there is no skill lag.....better check your internet connection and ff14 is a better game than eso. and wow
    There is a skill lag. And it's a known issue. Not like a general skill lag all over the game. It's on specific skills and according to developers it is intended because of the balancing issues. For example White Mage's skill Benediction. It is quite similar to the Lay of Hands from WoW. Lets say you're playing WoW and used LoH. As soon as you pushed that skill you have your hp full. That's how it supposed to be. But it's not like that in FFXIV. You already have a delay because of the animation and on top of that there is another delay. It's super annoying. You can actually search this up. Players want Square to fix this issue for a long time now but they don't give a shit unfortunately.
    Valdheimgervaise1Buschkatze
  • MauroDiogoMauroDiogo Member UncommonPosts: 48

    Nepheth said:


    dekkion1 said:



    Nepheth said:


    ESO for me. I love FFXIV and played the shit out of it after I completely quit WoW. But even tho I love the lore, art style and the game itself, I have some serious problems with it that I can't get over.





    First of all I hate that FFXIV has zero class customization. Literally none... If I'm playing a WM there is nothing that makes me differentiate myself from any other WM out there. No talent system, no skill customization, no item differences. Nothing... This is my biggest problem about this game.





    Secondly the combat is a big problem. I'm not saying ESO has a great combat system either. It has its own problems. But the gcd and the intended skill lag in FFXIV is getting on my nerves tbh.





    And lastly how they handle the pvp content is ridiculous. Most of your skills are removed in pvp, again you have no customization, same gcd applies in pvp and it is a much much bigger problem because at least in dungeons and raids they are designing fights around that stupid gcd so you will be more comfortable playing with it. But in pvp it is outrageous. I tried playing Gw2 for pvp and focus only the pve content in FFXIV but it doesn't work. I'm the kind of a guy that enjoys playing one mmorpg and focus on it alone. I hate playing multiple mmos at the same time.





    This is really sad for me because I love both the community and the world of FFXIV a lot more than ESO but while I have these serious issues with FFXIV, other than some minor issues ESO is a complete package for me.




    there is no skill lag.....better check your internet connection and ff14 is a better game than eso. and wow



    There is a skill lag. And it's a known issue. Not like a general skill lag all over the game. It's on specific skills and according to developers it is intended because of the balancing issues. For example White Mage's skill Benediction. It is quite similar to the Lay of Hands from WoW. Lets say you're playing WoW and used LoH. As soon as you pushed that skill you have your hp full. That's how it supposed to be. But it's not like that in FFXIV. You already have a delay because of the animation and on top of that there is another delay. It's super annoying. You can actually search this up. Players want Square to fix this issue for a long time now but they don't give a shit unfortunately.



    Yep... this. ^
    There is skill lag and it's a very well known "issue" and the reason why Ninjas were one of the least played classes for a long time. They had what was known as "Mudra Lag". The innate lag made their Mudra casting really really hard. The Devs actually adjusted this "innate lag" just for the Mudras at one point, so Ninjas could actually and more easily go through a full rotation.
    Valdheimgervaise1Buschkatze
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,443
    We had lag even within FFXI,it did bother me for awhile but because it was never SPAM combat it wasn't a factor.
    However if i am choosing a game,i am NEVER picking a worse game to play just because skills have lag in another game.I quit TESO the very first day,i played FFXIV for around 6 months,i think it is pretty obvious which one held my interest longer.

    However if i had to choose i'd choose neither that is why i play Atlas.Sadly all developers now think mmorpg=linear progression,hand holding,instances and gaited content.Atlas is not even a AAA game but it still does a better job at delivering an immersive rpg experience than ANY mmorpg does.

    If anyone thinks chasing yellow markers over a npc head is rpg gaming,think again.FFXIV SE are at least good at delivering content ideas that stick to the theme of a rpg and are a bit unique.Sadly much of FFXIV is like Wow 2.0.

    If mmorpg developers can't figure out simple terms like IMMERSION "MMO" "RPG" then i'll stick to playing other games until mmorpg's can figure it out.
    retiredmj

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,705
    edited April 17
    The problem with FFXIV is if you don't keep playing it you fall behind and have to play catch-up. Grinding gear score and story quests just to play a new expansion? F**k that.
    NycteliosXantaviusBuschkatzeretiredmj
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  • gago889gago889 Member UncommonPosts: 18
    edited April 17
    Eso will be King of MMORPG soon, but FF14 always be Lengendary Hero.
    XantaviusBuschkatzeretiredmj
  • ValdheimValdheim Member UncommonPosts: 39


    If I can actually put down the Division 2 by May, then I’m off to Elswyr.



    I’m also really excited to subscribe to SWTOR again in September for Onslaught, even if it’s for only one month. I always will pay for more story content.



    I have the exact same problem. Already reinstalled ESO and every day its mouse over the ESO icon to finally finish Morrowind expansion and then start Summerset, but then my mouse magically moves to the Division 2 icon and whoops I'm in Washington -_-
    Whats even worse is that i actually also plan to return to FFXIV too and need to catch up aswell since I've left Stormblood at lvl 66...
    Damn it I need a 48h day ffs!!!
    BuschkatzeOctagon7711
  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 842
    FFXIV for me. Haven't played it in awhile, but re-subbing next month and diving back in.

    I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    If I had the time to play both I would, but for now the playboy bunnies won.
    Buschkatze
  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,432
    Viper482 said:
    The problem with FFXIV is if you don't keep playing it you fall behind and have to play catch-up. Grinding gear score and story quests just to play a new expansion? F**k that.
    You don't have to grind gs to catch up with new content... Wtf...

    When you enter in new content the story quests gives you a new set with GS over the last boss/raid one.

    Your claim makes no sense, if there is one thing FF14 is for sure it is a chill theme park on rails anime plot twists experience. For some it works, for some it won't - but it is not afraid or does not apologise for what it is and fully embraces it.

    I like both games, to be honest. ESO had a great ressurection after they fixed so many issues and kicked the hell out of the bots.

    And as I said before here, I was ready to buy all DLCs and Expacs for ESO but then the issues started: Their business choices are shaddy at best. They keep adding and removing DLCs from Steam Store, making purchasing all of them in a pack a near impossible feat - and the packs which contents all of them can't be bought if you already own the base game... So you have to purchase their meta currency, which is not sold in the amount you need, to use it ingame store and then you are spending more getting extra meta currency which will sit there making you want to spend more to use it to buy something...

    Just let me purchse ESO gold and I'll play your god damn game. FFS I own an collectors edition. Gold Edition is cheaper. I tried to support ESO. F me.
    XantaviusBuschkatze
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  • DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,042
    edited April 17
    Moehaha got my car!!





  • SamhaelSamhael Member RarePosts: 1,236
    I usually manage to make level cap on MMOs before I drop off. However, neither FF nor ESO were able to maintain my interest to even the 50% mark.

    For ESO -- the ability lag would always throw me off. When I tried to go back recently, that very lack of direction is what killed it for me in less than a day.
    FFXIV was pretty tough to like as well. Different reasons though. Grinding through the same early lack of content multiple times to unlock professions (or whatever they called them) wasn't exciting the first time much less on a second, third, fourth try.

    I'm glad others have had much better experiences but I'm still hoping to find a MMO that appeals to me sometime in the next few years.
  • DvoraDvora Member UncommonPosts: 493
    edited April 17

    Dragnelus said:

    Moehaha got my car!!







    Those 2 screenshots are two very good reasons not to play FFXIV for me. Not sure which is worse of the two. I absolutely hated ESO when it came out, and again 2 other times I tried to force myself to get past lvl 30 and couldnt do it.

    I think it's the sad state of games that on the 4th try just lately I have been playing it for about a month now and dont hate it, mostly because there isn't much out there I havent completely worn out or have more problems with.

    The same problems are still there, and world feels shallow and boring but I've been sucked in just enough to want to twink out some below 50 pvp toons and find that mildly entertaining.

    Can't wait for a real game with good combat, world and classes again that isnt dumbed down for consoles.
  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    The car doesn't really fit the FFXIV world, but I don't see a problem with the over the top two handed sword.
  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757

    Dvora said:



    Dragnelus said:


    Moehaha got my car!!










    Those 2 screenshots are two very good reasons not to play FFXIV for me. Not sure which is worse of the two.

    I absolutely hated ESO when it came out, and again 2 other times I tried to force myself to get past lvl 30 and couldnt do it.



    I think it's the sad state of games that on the 4th try just lately I have been playing it for about a month now and dont hate it, mostly because there isn't much out there I havent completely worn out or have more problems with.



    The same problems are still there, and world feels shallow and boring but I've been sucked in just enough to want to twink out some below 50 pvp toons and find that mildly entertaining.



    Can't wait for a real game with good combat, world and classes again that isnt dumbed down for consoles.



    Why wait.. they have been around for a while now.. Oh right.. no one plays them, so they have to market to console players.
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,706
    It's a close one for me, but FFXIV wins to me for aesthetic reasons. I definitely like the look of the characters a lot more on there than I do on ESO. ESO's expansion has Necromancers though... which has always been one of my favorite type of classes to play.

    My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)

    https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/

  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,961
    Definitely bought a PS4 and now enjoying the hell out of FFXIV. Have already pre-ordered ESO expansion too, so I'm sure I'll check it out.

    Will see if I stick with FFXIV to level 70 and get prepped for new expac, but at this point I'm so hooked I definitely feel like I'll at least complete the main story quests.
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