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Biggest missed opportunity: No Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC) remake or classic servers

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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,421
    I voted 'memory', too.  DAoC was good for its time, but can we stop looking to the past for the future of our games?  I doubt all that many of us are archaeologists.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,622
    Another DAOC is so far from me wanting one it's like as far as the Black holes they are looking at with huge telescopes.I couldn't take one single idea from that game and say i want that in my game.
    I feel too many people cannot separate a good game design from them simply having fun at that time surrounded by friends and people they enjoyed hanging with.This is why we see reboot servers being very popular for about a month or two then they are empty again,it is because people want to relive that honeymoon feeling but it will NEVER happen like that again.
    So by removing that honeymoon feeling,people see the games for what they really are...NOT very good and the results prove it because everyone of those become ghost towns.

    I can sway this right at Pantheon,so many want to relive that EQ1 feeling again,they will go in all happy,giving the game more credit than it deserves then after a short time realize..ok this is not really that fun,i am getting bored of the same old same old.
    It would be like buying the same car over and over and just putting a new paint job on it>.boring.Some will do that with a AAA car like a Mercedes but those are also priced way over the top,i am sure if a developer could get $1500 for selling a game they would be making AAA games too.


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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,464
    Wizardry said:
    Another DAOC is so far from me wanting one it's like as far as the Black holes they are looking at with huge telescopes.I couldn't take one single idea from that game and say i want that in my game.
    I feel too many people cannot separate a good game design from them simply having fun at that time surrounded by friends and people they enjoyed hanging with.This is why we see reboot servers being very popular for about a month or two then they are empty again,it is because people want to relive that honeymoon feeling but it will NEVER happen like that again.
    So by removing that honeymoon feeling,people see the games for what they really are...NOT very good and the results prove it because everyone of those become ghost towns.

    I can sway this right at Pantheon,so many want to relive that EQ1 feeling again,they will go in all happy,giving the game more credit than it deserves then after a short time realize..ok this is not really that fun,i am getting bored of the same old same old.
    It would be like buying the same car over and over and just putting a new paint job on it>.boring.Some will do that with a AAA car like a Mercedes but those are also priced way over the top,i am sure if a developer could get $1500 for selling a game they would be making AAA games too.


    It's generally a bit ignorant to try to speak for all people. Especially with a one size fits all mentality.

    sure there are people who want to relive their gaming heydays but there are also people who generally prefer the older games.

    I pay the sub for Lord of the Rings Online's "reboot" server and will continue until we get to Mordor. Since there seems to be a decent amount on that server I can only assume they are enjoying themselves. Is the server as full as launch. Don't know. Probably not but I have no actual metrics to use as a comparison. I strongly suspect you don't either.

    Also, games are about having fun. And if having fun with friends is part of the menu then sure why not.

    I think people would rather play games and have fun than "good games" that are technically good but not so fun.

    So in the end, I think we can say "stop speaking for everyone based on what you like and believe."
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Sovrath said:
    Wizardry said:
    Another DAOC is so far from me wanting one it's like as far as the Black holes they are looking at with huge telescopes.I couldn't take one single idea from that game and say i want that in my game.
    I feel too many people cannot separate a good game design from them simply having fun at that time surrounded by friends and people they enjoyed hanging with.This is why we see reboot servers being very popular for about a month or two then they are empty again,it is because people want to relive that honeymoon feeling but it will NEVER happen like that again.
    So by removing that honeymoon feeling,people see the games for what they really are...NOT very good and the results prove it because everyone of those become ghost towns.

    I can sway this right at Pantheon,so many want to relive that EQ1 feeling again,they will go in all happy,giving the game more credit than it deserves then after a short time realize..ok this is not really that fun,i am getting bored of the same old same old.
    It would be like buying the same car over and over and just putting a new paint job on it>.boring.Some will do that with a AAA car like a Mercedes but those are also priced way over the top,i am sure if a developer could get $1500 for selling a game they would be making AAA games too.


    It's generally a bit ignorant to try to speak for all people. Especially with a one size fits all mentality.

    sure there are people who want to relive their gaming heydays but there are also people who generally prefer the older games.

    I pay the sub for Lord of the Rings Online's "reboot" server and will continue until we get to Mordor. Since there seems to be a decent amount on that server I can only assume they are enjoying themselves. Is the server as full as launch. Don't know. Probably not but I have no actual metrics to use as a comparison. I strongly suspect you don't either.

    Also, games are about having fun. And if having fun with friends is part of the menu then sure why not.

    I think people would rather play games and have fun than "good games" that are technically good but not so fun.

    So in the end, I think we can say "stop speaking for everyone based on what you like and believe."
    Well I could not find a traffic report for LotRO that was later than 2015, but, safe money is there is less players today. Downward has always been their trend, since their inception.

    And Sure, no one can really speak for everyone, yourself included, and to be fair, no one said they were speaking for everyone, but they can still talk about trends, and the broad antics of communities and demographics, with the full understanding there will be Outliers to the Norm, but at the same time, just because someone might be an Outlier, does not make them anything other than an Outliner.

    Also, Wizardry  has a point here, when I look at posts about people reminiscing about some old games, I often wonder how rose tinted their glasses are. Personally, I loved EQ1, in my mind, was the best game ever made, bar none, absolute best game ever made, back in the early days, up to Shadow of Lucien, but a lot of that adoration was due to the fact that I was young, I had time to play, it was my first major graphic MMO, I had family members that played, I was in a guild of really nice people, there were a lot of deep social factors that made that game amazing, as a game goes however, mechanics and all that, well, if it was remade today, it would suck in compairosn to modern MMO's and since my life has changed a lot, it would also suck directly in respect to the kind of gamer I have become, and I posses no illusions about this reality.

    I agree with Wizardry  on the fact that I think too many people don't really take those factors into play, when they think about rebooting old games like this.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,464
    Ungood said:

    Well I could not find a traffic report for LotRO that was later than 2015, but, safe money is there is less players today. Downward has always been their trend, since their inception.

    And Sure, no one can really speak for everyone, yourself included, and to be fair, no one said they were speaking for everyone, but they can still talk about trends, and the broad antics of communities and demographics, with the full understanding there will be Outliers to the Norm, but at the same time, just because someone might be an Outlier, does not make them anything other than an Outliner.

    Also, Wizardry  has a point here, when I look at posts about people reminiscing about some old games, I often wonder how rose tinted their glasses are. Personally, I loved EQ1, in my mind, was the best game ever made, bar none, absolute best game ever made, back in the early days, up to Shadow of Lucien, but a lot of that adoration was due to the fact that I was young, I had time to play, it was my first major graphic MMO, I had family members that played, I was in a guild of really nice people, there were a lot of deep social factors that made that game amazing, as a game goes however, mechanics and all that, well, if it was remade today, it would suck in compairosn to modern MMO's and since my life has changed a lot, it would also suck directly in respect to the kind of gamer I have become, and I posses no illusions about this reality.

    I agree with Wizardry  on the fact that I think too many people don't really take those factors into play, when they think about rebooting old games like this.
    Well of course, all mmorpg's lose people over time.

    And "yes" people will jump into a "reboot" server for ha-ha's and then leave.

    However, while there are people who are just "bored" (which is a disgusting state to be in considering there is so much to life to explore) there are quite a few who, as I've said, like the older games.

    I like the older games and a significant amount of people on the lord of the rings online "reboot" servers do as well. They are populated. These are not people who are there for nostalgia, they want to play the game with consolidated population.

    It does an injustice to say that people are just playing these games because of nostalgia. I'm beyond sure there are people out there who enjoy various entertainments that are hundreds of years old simply becuase they are beyond a doubt: awesome.
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  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 4,324
    Thane said:
    yea, but they won't. if there are no realms, players will just form a goon squad and gank everything in sight. happened every time so far they had the chance. the russians seem to be epecially good at mass ganking as it seems.
    Err, I said nowhere one should allow ganking.

    I said players should make their own conflicts. That means players can form groups and everyone can freely decide which group they would like to join, or if they want to join at all. Different groups then can get in conflict over a resource.

    A good example would be castle sieges from Lineage 2. Theres a certain position of priviledge a guild can archieve, initially from NPCs. Once somebody holds that position, in regular intervalls theres a castle siege in which other guilds can try to take this priviledge from the current owners.

    Please set a sig so I can read your posting even if somebody "agreed" etc with it. Thanks.
  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 4,324
    Kyleran said:
    Er, you are free to play all races and classes.....
    Okay since apparently I need to explain myself better: I'm an altoholic. I will play any race and any class at one point.

    In DAOC I would have to get three accounts for that, and I couldnt trade between these characters unless they belong to the same realm, and I couldnt party with the same people, and I'd be considered a cheater on top of that.

    So no, DAOC doesnt work for me.

    Please set a sig so I can read your posting even if somebody "agreed" etc with it. Thanks.
  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 2,537
    More people should play it 

    This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,516
    edited April 12
    Thane said:
    yea, but they won't. if there are no realms, players will just form a goon squad and gank everything in sight. happened every time so far they had the chance. the russians seem to be epecially good at mass ganking as it seems.
    Err, I said nowhere one should allow ganking.

    I said players should make their own conflicts. That means players can form groups and everyone can freely decide which group they would like to join, or if they want to join at all. Different groups then can get in conflict over a resource.

    A good example would be castle sieges from Lineage 2. Theres a certain position of priviledge a guild can archieve, initially from NPCs. Once somebody holds that position, in regular intervalls theres a castle siege in which other guilds can try to take this priviledge from the current owners.

    Err, you just held up Lineage 2, a game which permitted ganking as an example. 

    When I played one large (zerg) alliance of no lifers held every castle on the server I was on for most of the time I was there.

    EVE permits players to freely make associations they wish, and null sec is dominated by mega alliances made up of thousands of members, Russians being one of the major groups.

    So far as I can see based on past history, @Thanes point still stands, players left to their own devices will do exactly as he said.


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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    Kyleran said:
    Thane said:
    yea, but they won't. if there are no realms, players will just form a goon squad and gank everything in sight. happened every time so far they had the chance. the russians seem to be epecially good at mass ganking as it seems.
    Err, I said nowhere one should allow ganking.

    I said players should make their own conflicts. That means players can form groups and everyone can freely decide which group they would like to join, or if they want to join at all. Different groups then can get in conflict over a resource.

    A good example would be castle sieges from Lineage 2. Theres a certain position of priviledge a guild can archieve, initially from NPCs. Once somebody holds that position, in regular intervalls theres a castle siege in which other guilds can try to take this priviledge from the current owners.

    Err, you just held up Lineage 2, a game which permitted ganking as an example. 

    When I played one large (zerg) alliance of no lifers held every castle on the server I was on for most of the time I was there.

    EVE permits players to freely make associations they wish, and null sec is dominated by mega alliances made up of thousands of members, Russians being one of the major groups.

    So far as I can see based on past history, @Thanes point still stands, players left to their own devices will do exactly as he said.


    You say this like there's something wrong with that.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,516
    Kyleran said:
    Er, you are free to play all races and classes.....
    Okay since apparently I need to explain myself better: I'm an altoholic. I will play any race and any class at one point.

    In DAOC I would have to get three accounts for that, and I couldnt trade between these characters unless they belong to the same realm, and I couldnt party with the same people, and I'd be considered a cheater on top of that.

    So no, DAOC doesnt work for me.

    Err, no back in the day you had two options to do as you say.

    1st was Mordred, the FFA PVP server, and the 2nd was Ghareis (?)  a cooperative PVE only server.

    But then again, DAOC had like 46 unique classes, and multiple races for each, yet each account was limited to 10 character slots maximum.

    There are always "limits" in any game or sport, its up to the players to adapt to the situation, instead of letting their personal "preferences" prevent them from enjoying the experience. 

    Sure, you like alts, few ever created 46 in DAOC, and no one got them all up to "max level" which was something like Realm Rank 15L10 or something insane.

    Try not to build up self imposed walls which prevent you from doing fun things, advice I have to often tell myself on many occasions. 




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  • meddyckmeddyck Member UncommonPosts: 1,279
    I feel like the bigger missed opportunity was for an RvR only DAOC server. The fact that Camelot Unchained received backing from 10s of thousands of players showed there was a demand for RvR unchained from PvE leveling and gear grind. If Broadsword had made that kind of server years ago, I probably would have subscribed for a while especially given how endless CU's development has been.

    Having tried some classic DAOC free shards, I kind of doubt an official version would appeal to me much at this point especially with a monthly sub attached. Mythic did improve the game a lot over the years, and the 2001-2002 version of it is far from the best version imho.

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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Sovrath said:
    Ungood said:.

    I agree with Wizardry  on the fact that I think too many people don't really take those factors into play, when they think about rebooting old games like this.
    Well of course, all mmorpg's lose people over time.

    And "yes" people will jump into a "reboot" server for ha-ha's and then leave.

    However, while there are people who are just "bored" (which is a disgusting state to be in considering there is so much to life to explore) there are quite a few who, as I've said, like the older games.

    I like the older games and a significant amount of people on the lord of the rings online "reboot" servers do as well. They are populated. These are not people who are there for nostalgia, they want to play the game with consolidated population.

    It does an injustice to say that people are just playing these games because of nostalgia. I'm beyond sure there are people out there who enjoy various entertainments that are hundreds of years old simply becuase they are beyond a doubt: awesome.
    Of course they are playing for nostalgic reasons, or they would just play the current iteration of the game.

    Sure there are other reasons, like wanting to be competitive to other players that have been playing for years and a reboot would provide that, as well as other motives, but I would wager they are the smaller portion of the voices, if even a voice at all, and just people taking the opportunity as it was offered.

    As I highly doubt on the LotRO forums people were as many people fussing that they needed a reboot server so they would not need to deal with a game where everyone was already a superhero, as there were people who wanted to return to a time before the Mordor expansion.

    But by and large, reboots or vanilla servers attract people because typically at some point the developers did something to the game they at one time loved, to make it so they no longer love it like they used to.. and they want to recapture that lost flame. And let's be honest here, this happens to a lot of MMO's over the course of their development. Too often developers will add things, change things, revise things and even reinvent things, which end up really annoying their existing player base.

    And, as funny and sad as this sounds (also only applies to successful games), most of the time, if we chart their occupancy or earning paths, you can even pinpoint it, and be like "Yup, right there, they screwed something up", and we see a decline. As such, Players that enjoyed the game but, also went though whatever it was that messed the game, would often want to return to the game they once loved. This is nostalgic pure and simple.. which is not a bad thing, and I will offer that sometimes the older version very well may have been far better.

    Like just to use an example, with WoW... something happened with Cataclysm, not sure what, but, that was when they hit the "You dun fucked up" button, and I can fully see players that at one time loved the game, wanting to return back to the game before that expansion was put out. But this is nostalgia none the less.

    It was a better game before they screwed it up.. is a very easy idea to embrace, which is what you are talking about with LotRO, And I respect that stance, hell, I have even said that stance.

    But, when I see people talk about a game they played 10+ years ago, and are all like "it was the Best game ever", that is a different world.. and truth be told, unless they have been actively playing it.. nahh. That's just the rose colored glasses of yesteryear.

    Even more on the Tinted Glasses, if the game got shut down or abandoned to maintenance mode... which is what happened with DAOC.
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,171
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,171
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,171
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
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  • LuidenLuiden Member UncommonPosts: 264
    DAOC = greatest MMORPG of all time.

    This and more.  I don't think people understand how innovative this game was especially back when it was released.  It had massive depth for its day and it catered to a number of different types of gamers.  Hated PVP?  That was fine, you had PvE, crafting, housing, real neighborhoods.. you actually knew your neighbors.  Didn't care for any of that, that's fine you could spend your days fighting in RvR.  It had something for everybody.. was it the greatest PvE game ever.. no, but it was good enough for those players interested in it.

    Would this game if released today do well.. no, it's an old game.  Today's generation would have a hard time coping with it.. but that's okay.  Would a classic reboot server do well?  Yes, I think Phoenix has already proven that.. but it's not something I would be interested in.  Only so much of that game you can go back to.

    What would really do well?  If there was ever a game that justified a '2' it would be DAOC 2.  It's insane to think that this game never got a chance at a sequel.  Camelot Unchained isn't a sequel to this game, it's a game that is only going to be focused on RvR type mechanics and as of right now, will only be a shell of what DAOC was.  They are making big advancements in technology in terms of how many people can fight in 1 area etc... so that has advanced a lot.  But I don't think Unchained will be the game that the old DAOC crowd is wanting or looking for.

      
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,200
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    For me it’s corn flakes with huge spoonfuls of sugar.  At least when my wife isn’t watching.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,516
    edited April 12
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    For me it’s corn flakes with huge spoonfuls of sugar.  At least when my wife isn’t watching.
    Being a more casual cereal eater I prefer Frosted Flakes.

    Apple Jacks are still pretty amazing as well

    ;)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,516
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
    I'm impressed, wish I still had a metabolism.  On the plus side if I'm ever stranded somewhere I'll able to live for months without food.
    ;)

    Ungood

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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Kyleran said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
    I'm impressed, wish I still had a metabolism.  On the plus side if I'm ever stranded somewhere I'll able to live for months without food.
    ;)

    I work in construction.. when I am on contract, I pretty much need to eat around 2,600 or I feel like I am starving.. when I am off contract, I eat a lot less, often in the form a light lunch and dinner.. and still eat heavy for breakfast.
    Kyleran
  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Luiden said:

    What would really do well?  If there was ever a game that justified a '2' it would be DAOC 2.  It's insane to think that this game never got a chance at a sequel.  Camelot Unchained isn't a sequel to this game, it's a game that is only going to be focused on RvR type mechanics and as of right now, will only be a shell of what DAOC was.  They are making big advancements in technology in terms of how many people can fight in 1 area etc... so that has advanced a lot.  But I don't think Unchained will be the game that the old DAOC crowd is wanting or looking for.

      
    I think Camelot Unchained has the ability to reach a far larger audience that DAOC ever touched, because, PvE has evolved over the years, what was considered fun and enjoyable 15 years ago, is not what works today.

    In fact, in some cases, less is in fact more in this regard.

    Making a game that is PvP first and foremost makes it easier to balance classes for that as opposed to hot mess we often see in most MMO's were there are all kinds of imbalances, from class imbalances, to gear imbalances, to level imbalances, to straight up population imbalances, and other things like territory control giving boons, which is just another kind of imbalance, of which DAOC had them all in aces.

    Any game made like that today would die in a hot fire within the year with a few hold outs that positively loved the game.. but not enough to support it.. it would limp along for a few more years, and then finally succumb to either maintenance mode, or be shut down and put out of its misery. 

    CU, appears to have a very deep PvE aspect, with their entire C.U.B.E. design, and a rich crafting system, so, there will be means for players that do not want to PvP to enjoy the game, also, as I understand it, the brain behind DAOC, Mark Jacobs, is the same person behind CU, and was building this to be the successor to DAOC.

    So best I can understand it.. CU is the reboot of DAOC or AKA: DAOC2

    Which means.. for all the people that say it's not.. well.. no one else would give you something better or closer.
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