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What's wrong with Anthem exactly?

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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 5,510
    Rhoklaw said:
    Well, I guess it doesn't matter how good you used to be at making games. Soon as you join Electronic Arts, you're cursed to be a cesspool of trash no matter what you do.
    And still sell millions of copies! :smiley:

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Kyleran said:
    Think about this. Despite Anthem being reportedly sub standard by some accounts, it was the 2nd best selling EA title at launch (after MA 3,  another slagged on title) and is only behind Kingdom Hearts III for most sales in 2019.

    They made over $100M despite officially selling the game for six days in Feb.

    Coupled with.their success with Apex, is it any wonder EA doesnt really care what some people think.

    Gamers will buy practically anything these days if enough hype is applied, why would they bother to change?


    https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-03-20-npd-anthem-was-the-best-selling-game-of-february

    https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-03-22-superdata-apex-legends-had-best-ever-launch-month-for-a-free-to-play-game




    Wasnt that since launch it made the 100 million?  If so then that is roughly 1.6 million sold through digital.  I think they are going to come up a couple million short on pushing 6 million prior to end of March.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,074
    Anthem is a husk of a game with bad design decisions, bugs, and broken systems throughout. It is essentially a paid-for beta right now. They knowingly released a woefully incomplete game and charged full price for it with micro-transactions on top of it all. As consumers and hobbyists of this medium, we should be disgusted with this practice. 

    I hope Anthem fails horribly. I want the failure of this game to send a message to these studios and publishers that this is no longer an acceptable business model.

    I am completely fed up with the toxicity of the AAA games industry - their practices are openly hostile towards consumers and employees alike. Publishers having record years and firing 800 employees, or a game selling 7.3 million copies to be called a "disappointment" is disgusting and it makes me feel very sorry for passionate people who work on games. Rushing half-baked games to market and charging full price plus yearly passes with the intention to patch them over the course of year(s) is openly hostile towards consumers. 
    It is 100% our fault...We are the ones that gave in to the early access and broken games....These companies know they can sell broken games and many of us want to be first in line to buy them. Until we the consumers hold these game companies to higher standards, we will keep getting these kinds of games.
    RobsolfAlBQuirky
  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,596
    The TL;DR from someone who is critical of but bought Anthem:

    The moment to moment gameplay and combat in Anthem is AWESOME, the combo/elemental system looks and feels amazing, especially as they continue to address bugs.  The problem is, everything else is kinda "meh".  Not a lot of content and (until the most recent patches) stingy loot.  

    Personally, I still think the gameplay is great but I haven't picked it up since I hit level 30 because I'm waiting for them to add in more content.  I know if I play now i'll get burned out by the same 3 strongholds and such. 

    perfectly stated.....

    where Division 2 is a complete game.
    After 6 years, you'd kinda expect a complete game.  Especially of a shooter/looter.  It's not like they set out to create the Oasis...
    GdemamiMaurgrim
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,098
    It needs a year of early access to become a fully functional game.
    Gdemami

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,561
    edited March 24
    AlBQuirky said:
    Rhoklaw said:
    Well, I guess it doesn't matter how good you used to be at making games. Soon as you join Electronic Arts, you're cursed to be a cesspool of trash no matter what you do.
    And still sell millions of copies! :smiley:
    Never said consumers were omniscient. I myself fell prey to that garbage bin better known as Bless Online. Actually, I knew it was trash before I bought it, but game development drought is a real sad ordeal for a lot of us.
    GdemamiAlBQuirky

  • ThaneThane Member RarePosts: 3,446
    edited March 24
    AlBQuirky said:
    Rhoklaw said:
    Well, I guess it doesn't matter how good you used to be at making games. Soon as you join Electronic Arts, you're cursed to be a cesspool of trash no matter what you do.
    And still sell millions of copies! :smiley:
    eat shit! millions of flies can't be wrong! ait? :)

    but seriously, if you release a lootshooter, at least make sure you got a real lootsystem to go for
    GdemamiAlBQuirkyKyleran

    "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    The only thing wrong with Anthem is that it's still in Beta. I can't wait until it's finished to give it a try. The Alpha was okay, needed a lot of work but you could see the good points.

    I'd like to thank all the people who paid to be beta testers for their service. Keep those feedback reports coming.
    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

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  • paul43paul43 Member UncommonPosts: 188
    AlBQuirky said:
    Rhoklaw said:
    Well, I guess it doesn't matter how good you used to be at making games. Soon as you join Electronic Arts, you're cursed to be a cesspool of trash no matter what you do.
    And still sell millions of copies! :smiley:
    That's how mmorpgs used to sell also, until one day, the players just stop buying, and you have bankruptcies and no new mmorpgs.  The same could happen to looter shooters. If people stop buying them then devs will jump on something else.

    Jumping on the next big thing is probably a lot easier than trying to create a really good game.


    RhoklawAlBQuirky
  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,245
    Here is the way I look at it.  Look at the reviews Division 1 got when it released not Division 2 as it  is a sequel where they learned the hard way what they needed to launch with.  This was a company jumping out of their wheelhouse into another genre, an they have the worst publisher in gaming pushing them.

    Not saying that they should get a pass for Anthem as some of the things at launch were not up to par.  With that said I could care less about all the people that rushed to max level as fast as they could like they do in ever game then complain they don't have things to do. 

    If you play the game causally for fun it's OK.  They are tinkering with changing up the loot drops to be more relevant like every other game that has been released in the past ten or so years.  There are/were problems with weapons not being as powerful as they should be or have stats that do nothing basically.

    The biggest thing I saw most complaints about was the loading screens.  Didn't have a problem with that as I play the game strictly solo, other than the one thing you have to do in a group.  In groups you could get screwed if your computer wasn't optimized with the game as the loading screens could take forever and that one person was always running as fast as they could, like pug groups always do, you basically would just get pulled forward over an over because of it.  No exploration, taking in the sites, just pulled forward as fast as the person could go.

    I would say give the game a try, I enjoy it.  Then again I play it as a single player game for my enjoyment as I do all shooters.
    AlBQuirky
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,561
    edited March 24
    k61977 said:
    Here is the way I look at it.  Look at the reviews Division 1 got when it released not Division 2 as it  is a sequel where they learned the hard way what they needed to launch with.  This was a company jumping out of their wheelhouse into another genre, an they have the worst publisher in gaming pushing them.

    Not saying that they should get a pass for Anthem as some of the things at launch were not up to par.  With that said I could care less about all the people that rushed to max level as fast as they could like they do in ever game then complain they don't have things to do. 

    If you play the game causally for fun it's OK.  They are tinkering with changing up the loot drops to be more relevant like every other game that has been released in the past ten or so years.  There are/were problems with weapons not being as powerful as they should be or have stats that do nothing basically.

    The biggest thing I saw most complaints about was the loading screens.  Didn't have a problem with that as I play the game strictly solo, other than the one thing you have to do in a group.  In groups you could get screwed if your computer wasn't optimized with the game as the loading screens could take forever and that one person was always running as fast as they could, like pug groups always do, you basically would just get pulled forward over an over because of it.  No exploration, taking in the sites, just pulled forward as fast as the person could go.

    I would say give the game a try, I enjoy it.  Then again I play it as a single player game for my enjoyment as I do all shooters.
    So basically, people shouldn't buy the first game in a franchise because developers get a freebie "It's our first attempt" excuse for shitty development quality? If those types of standards were ever allowed in the rest of the industrial and corporate world, man oh man.
    Timukas

  • Pher0ciousPher0cious Member RarePosts: 277
    FuryV said:
    As many others I'd been waiting for a long time for Anthem to come out, although as soon as it was released I saw it had been getting extremely bad reviews.  What exactly went wrong?  Is it really THAT bad of a game, or are people exaggerating?  What I've heard so far about it is that there's hardly any content, especially at endgame, but does this necessarily mean it's ALWAYS gonna be like this?  A lot of games have launched and received bad reviews straight away, yet made some necessary changes and ended up being a must buy (Elder Scrolls Online for example).

    What makes The Division 2 far superior to Anthem?  I keep seeing articles claiming that Division 2 is everything Anthem SHOULD have been.  Is Anthem destined to become a game comparable to Fallout 76, and lose all of its players, or do you think it'll be able to turn things around and get people playing again?

    It's a shame as I've wanted to play a brand new looter/shooter for a while now and had always been set on Anthem, but if I'm gonna be investing my time on a game over the next year or so I'm finding myself being drawn more towards The Division 2, which is weird considering I always preferred the looks of Anthem.
    Anthem is not the problem, people are. Too much scapegoating Anthem for everything else they hate. 

    The only valid criticism on Anthem/Bioware is not enough internal and public beta testing. 
    parrotpholk
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  • LinifLinif Member UncommonPosts: 139
    FuryV said:
    As many others I'd been waiting for a long time for Anthem to come out, although as soon as it was released I saw it had been getting extremely bad reviews.  What exactly went wrong?  Is it really THAT bad of a game, or are people exaggerating?  What I've heard so far about it is that there's hardly any content, especially at endgame, but does this necessarily mean it's ALWAYS gonna be like this?  A lot of games have launched and received bad reviews straight away, yet made some necessary changes and ended up being a must buy (Elder Scrolls Online for example).

    What makes The Division 2 far superior to Anthem?  I keep seeing articles claiming that Division 2 is everything Anthem SHOULD have been.  Is Anthem destined to become a game comparable to Fallout 76, and lose all of its players, or do you think it'll be able to turn things around and get people playing again?

    It's a shame as I've wanted to play a brand new looter/shooter for a while now and had always been set on Anthem, but if I'm gonna be investing my time on a game over the next year or so I'm finding myself being drawn more towards The Division 2, which is weird considering I always preferred the looks of Anthem.
    Anthem is not the problem, people are. Too much scapegoating Anthem for everything else they hate. 

    The only valid criticism on Anthem/Bioware is not enough internal and public beta testing. 
    Anthem was a problem, but not on the scale the bandwagon makes it out to be.

    The situation with BioWare is difficult, at least for me. BioWare aren't going to come out and take all the blame, so naturally they'll let the masses imagination go wild. It might be BioWare's fault, or EA's or a combination of the two. We'll never truly know. All we know is that the majority of people didn't like it and it shouldn't have been released in the state it was in.

    Promises were made and displayed at the demonstrations they held. They broke these promises and released a game that looked similar but ultimately worse off than what was shown at these demonstrations without a word, which can be tantamount to false advertising.
    GdemamiKyleran
  • PharadPharad Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 9
    edited March 29
    I might be foolish to think so, however, Anthem for me has this No Man's Sky feel, a game thats shite at release, but will work it's way up to being actually really good some day. Took 2 years for NMS, so I'll give Anthem as much time as well. That being said, I might be a bit biased because I have already bought the game, albeit a little cheaper here. Anyways, here's to hoping it works out
  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    Leaked AI-powered Game Revenue Model Paper Foretells a Dystopian Nightmare: "Psychological manipulation tactics" in Anthem by EA

    https://www.techpowerup.com/240655/leaked-ai-powered-game-revenue-model-paper-foretells-a-dystopian-nightmare
    Gdemami
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