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MMOs catering to people over 40 (or even over 50)

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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,539
    kitarad said:
    My gaming ability has never been the same since I had a gap in playing around 19 to 23 or so. I used to be able zone in and be intense but I don't care anymore so it doesn't happen as often.

    I still do very good in NBA games because I have a basketball mind.  I do good in fighting games because I am good at counter.  Not as good as I was but yeah.  FPS I mostly suck.  Had a stretch when I was was awesomely good but long past now. Sometimes I will stream and other times I just die.  MMORPG I am ok but get more confused with attacks and buttons.

    I will be 40 Friday.
    My god how I wish I was 40 lol.
    Ooh boy here we go.



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  • PpiperPpiper Member UncommonPosts: 984
    eddieg50 said:
    Breathe deep the gathering gloom
    Watch lights fade from every room
    Bedsitter people Look back and lament
    Another day's useless Energy spent
    Impassioned lovers wrestle as one
    Lonely man cries for love and has none
    New mother picks up and suckles her son
    Senior citizens wish they were young
    Cold hearted orb that rules the night
    Removes the colours from our sight
    Red is grey and yellow white

    But we decide which is right
    And which is an Illusion?
          

    you do not really need to be a twitch master to play mmo's
    Moody Blues. You must be old. So am I since I knew the lyrics.
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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,821
    Mendel said:
    Sovrath said:
    sure blame age for you lack of coordenation, I still keep the same movement, if not better then when I was young
    If they are 60+ then I buy the "old" moniker.

    Too often I've seen people in their 40's and 50's say they're "old."

    *insert "really?" emoji here*
    Depends on what you are talking about.  Games and sports you generally are old once you get out your 30s.  Even your 30s can be greatly diminished. Reflexes are nowhere near what they used to be.
    Look at Olympic level gymnastics.  You're considered over the hill before you hit legal drinking age.



    Yep.  When they talk about sports stars being over the hill and they 5 or 6 years younger than me. *sad face* 

    I can't even see the screen anymore like I used.  Literally woke up one day couldn't read text on the screen anymore.  Have to sit closer to the screen now lol. 

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983
    As a hoary old bastard I've found that over the years I actually prefer twitch combat to the boring old tab target which was the heart of most classic MMORPGs. I find games without the ability to dodge, block, roll, or jump to be a complete snooze fest these days.
    But...how do you watch Netflix with all of that dodging, blocking and rolling going on?

    Oh, you actually devote your full attention to gaming? 

    Sissy.  ;)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983
    sure blame age for you lack of coordenation, I still keep the same movement, if not better then when I was young
    So, exactly how old are you, 35? ;)
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    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing POE at the moment.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983
    Mendel said:
    Sovrath said:
    sure blame age for you lack of coordenation, I still keep the same movement, if not better then when I was young
    If they are 60+ then I buy the "old" moniker.

    Too often I've seen people in their 40's and 50's say they're "old."

    *insert "really?" emoji here*
    Depends on what you are talking about.  Games and sports you generally are old once you get out your 30s.  Even your 30s can be greatly diminished. Reflexes are nowhere near what they used to be.
    Look at Olympic level gymnastics.  You're considered over the hill before you hit legal drinking age.



    Only for female gymnasts really, many Olympians stay competitive until their late 30s. 

    Forty seems to be the magic cut off point for most athletics
    Mendel

    "See normal people, I'm not one of them" | G-Easy & Big Sean

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing POE at the moment.

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

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  • XiaokiXiaoki Member RarePosts: 3,196
    I'm over 40 and I mainly play MMOs(tab target and action), but I also play first person shooters and fighting games.

    If you think you are "too old" to still play games like you did 20 years ago then you will be.
    LadyVix
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,821
    Xiaoki said:
    I'm over 40 and I mainly play MMOs(tab target and action), but I also play first person shooters and fighting games.

    If you think you are "too old" to still play games like you did 20 years ago then you will be.
    Not too old but no deny my vision, button usage coordination and reflexes have diminished.  Not to mention motivation and care.

    KyleranTuor7
  • SaltyDog79SaltyDog79 Member UncommonPosts: 103
    Not too old but no deny my vision, button usage coordination and reflexes have diminished.  Not to mention motivation and care.

    In my experience, it's really the last part (motivation and care) that affect your gaming as you get older.  Sure the physical aspect does play a part but it is really your mind set and preferences that change the most.

    When I was younger I'd like games that challenged me even if it meant frustration.  Now however, I'll be turning 40 in July, and I know that my choice in games revolves much more around fun then anything else. 

    Kyleran
  • ErevusErevus Member UncommonPosts: 94
    When i was 15 i just wanted to kill everything
    at mid 20 i discovered i need to do some other stuff in order to kill everything
    at 30+ i had to grind my self, endless hours to kill something
    Now at my 40+ i finally choose not to play an MMO which dictates me into meaningless mechanics
    so i can kill.
    I just want to create, cooperate, assist, evolve, craft, and so many other things that promote
    humans to the next level of that stone age feeling of kill or be killed.
    KyleranSaltyDog79Vermillion_Raventhal
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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 833
    I'm in that 50+ crowd and I still have the eye-hand coord that I used but, the games I enjoy playing are different than when I was younger.  I still play WoW, ffxiv, lotro, and wizard 101 with my younger daughter on a rotational basis, but everything else is SP games.

    I guess I have less tolerance for a$$hats now than I used to and shooters tend to be full of those as are mmorpgs, but I can solo most of the games I mentioned, only group up when I have to, and only long enough to get done what I need to get done.

    They don't need to cater to an older crowd.  I think they may years from now as the internet generation gets older.
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  • psiicpsiic Member RarePosts: 1,600
    Even 15 years ago I could pull a 5 day Everquest camp for a FBSS with zero sleep and minimum bathroom breaks, but now I need at least 10 hours of sleep each night and I still wake up feeling like I got run over by a truck every day. Getting old sucks. 
    SaltyDog79Vermillion_Raventhaldragonlee66Tuor7
  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,692
    centkin said:
    Video games are something that is usually aimed at the young and twitchy -- people who are at the pinnacle of their hand-eye coordination -- the same crowd most TV shows are aimed at.

    MMOs do not have to be set up that way.  Indeed in the old days when pings were much worse, games were set up differently. 

    There are a LOT of aging gamers out there and people who weren't gamers but are empty nest, or retiring/retired who have the kind of time and patience needed to excel in an MMO but not the standard current MMO.

    I think if some game company came up with something that specifically catered to the older crowd, it would do surprisingly well. 
    I have to laugh when I see these posts. I am 63 and have been playing games on both PC and consoles since the 80's. I still play a lot of "twitchy" games. I don't seem to have any problems with them. I also don't sit around and watch TV. I guess I am not the demographic you are looking to address here.  lol
     

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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    What i find difficult these days is the ability to maintain long gaming sessions. No matter how i enjoy a game my limit is about 3 hours. Then i need to take a lengthy break and focus on something else. Gone are the days where 8 hours focused on a single game where nothing. On raid nights in WoW i usually bail out before the raid ends unless i need a specific boss kill.

    I'm 45.
    KyleranTorval
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 6,881
    Just here for the comments!
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  • klash2defklash2def Member RarePosts: 1,454
    this thread made me realize the true demographic of this site. I'm 32 and I have no business here.
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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,008
    The young people are busy playing the games we complain about. 
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 20,789
    A lot of how good you are at games depends on how much you play them.  I was never any good at first person shooters because I didn't play them much.

    Getting older can mean that you get worse at games because you get busy with other things and have less time to play.  Or the opposite upon retirement.

    Getting older sometimes means that you physically can't play games as much as when you were younger because your body can't handle the stress.  Repetitive strain injuries can happen, and that rather than reaction times is the biggest reason why professional e-sports gamers are so young.

    Reaction times generally peak in your twenties and only slowly diminish as you age until your early fifties.  It's after that that they go downhill much faster.  Someone who really likes twitchy games and has a life that allows him to play them a lot absolutely can be competitive in such games until around 50 or so.  That doesn't mean "professional gamer" levels of competitive, but it can mean significantly better than the average person playing whichever particular game.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 20,789
    A lot of people tend to have more money as they get older.  Certainly, having a real job helps.  And that makes it possible to buy a faster reaction time to some degree, in the form of reducing input latency and display latency.  If player A has a 20 ms faster reaction time than player B, but player B has 3 ms lower input latency and 17 ms lower display latency, then they're on even footing in a twitchy game.

    If game streaming becomes as common as some people think it will, then your ability to buy a faster reaction time could expand dramatically.  If you're rendering a game locally and someone else is streaming it over the Internet, that could easily give you a 50 ms latency advantage if streaming is implemented well, or a lot more if implemented badly.
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  • PpiperPpiper Member UncommonPosts: 984
    klash2def said:
    this thread made me realize the true demographic of this site. I'm 32 and I have no business here.
    Yeah! Get off my lawn!
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 20,789
    I'm puzzled as to where all these twitchy MMOs that older people can't play are.  I can't name any such games at all off hand.  It's possible that some people are thinking about first person shooters, which I ignore because I don't like that sort of game.

    For starters, most MMORPGs are pretty heavy on vertical progression.  Being one level higher is usually a lot bigger advantage than reacting 20 ms faster.

    There's also the issue that most MMORPGs are tuned to be so easy that everyone wins unless you really have no clue what you're doing or get disconnected or something like that.  Or at least PVE is that way; PVP is a different beast entirely.  If the complaint is about PVP, then the problem is usually one of whales buying advantages or grinding giving advantages, not one of faster reaction times.

    The only semi-MMO games I've played that had PVE content that was both twitchy and challenging were Spiral Knights and Kritika Online.  And in both of those, catching a tell to recognize what a mob was going to do half a second ahead of time was a much bigger advantage than reacting 20 ms (or even 100 ms) faster when the mob actually attacks.
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,008
    Quizzical said:
    I'm puzzled as to where all these twitchy MMOs that older people can't play are.  I can't name any such games at all off hand.  It's possible that some people are thinking about first person shooters, which I ignore because I don't like that sort of game.

    For starters, most MMORPGs are pretty heavy on vertical progression.  Being one level higher is usually a lot bigger advantage than reacting 20 ms faster.

    There's also the issue that most MMORPGs are tuned to be so easy that everyone wins unless you really have no clue what you're doing or get disconnected or something like that.  Or at least PVE is that way; PVP is a different beast entirely.  If the complaint is about PVP, then the problem is usually one of whales buying advantages or grinding giving advantages, not one of faster reaction times.

    The only semi-MMO games I've played that had PVE content that was both twitchy and challenging were Spiral Knights and Kritika Online.  And in both of those, catching a tell to recognize what a mob was going to do half a second ahead of time was a much bigger advantage than reacting 20 ms (or even 100 ms) faster when the mob actually attacks.
    I think you're reading into it a bit much, maybe taking it too personal? Regardless of OPs age they're looking for something slower paced than what seems to be trending.

    I'm 42 and I can't handle tab target games anymore. I want faster paced games, even ESO feels to slow to me. To each their own.
    MisterZebubAlBQuirky
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,821
    klash2def said:
    this thread made me realize the true demographic of this site. I'm 32 and I have no business here.
    I started here in my early 20s lol.
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,821
    Quizzical said:
    I'm puzzled as to where all these twitchy MMOs that older people can't play are.  I can't name any such games at all off hand.  It's possible that some people are thinking about first person shooters, which I ignore because I don't like that sort of game.

    For starters, most MMORPGs are pretty heavy on vertical progression.  Being one level higher is usually a lot bigger advantage than reacting 20 ms faster.

    There's also the issue that most MMORPGs are tuned to be so easy that everyone wins unless you really have no clue what you're doing or get disconnected or something like that.  Or at least PVE is that way; PVP is a different beast entirely.  If the complaint is about PVP, then the problem is usually one of whales buying advantages or grinding giving advantages, not one of faster reaction times.

    The only semi-MMO games I've played that had PVE content that was both twitchy and challenging were Spiral Knights and Kritika Online.  And in both of those, catching a tell to recognize what a mob was going to do half a second ahead of time was a much bigger advantage than reacting 20 ms (or even 100 ms) faster when the mob actually attacks.
    I think you're reading into it a bit much, maybe taking it too personal? Regardless of OPs age they're looking for something slower paced than what seems to be trending.

    I'm 42 and I can't handle tab target games anymore. I want faster paced games, even ESO feels to slow to me. To each their own.
    ESO is just clunky to me.  
  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 3,569
    I have nothing against the younger crowd, but I don’t have much in common with them either besides the games we play, but thats because we only have access to what is available. I don’t think they play games the same way as I do for the most part. I know my gaming tastes and habits have changed alot over time and I sometimes wonder how much of that is expression and how much is conditioning.
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