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Were at a stand off. Everyone looses.

delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,765
edited March 10 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
It boils down to this.  No one is happy.  A select few have their niche game for the time being (ESO,WoW,FF14,GW2) but all-in-all take that game away their back in the pool with the rest of us.

It all comes down to money.  I started with wanting a monthly fee, then realized it's all bad.

Standoff:
-MAXIMUM PROFIT (company)
-Good wholesome game (player) 


I took the Liberty to find this: 
Wholesome- Somebody who is pure of heart, devoid of corruption or malice, modest, stable, virtuous, and all-around sweet and compassionate....... This is what we want in a game..... This will not come from Triple A.... Never !!


I want a monthly fee but their is "some golden rules attached". 
- The game has to have a long run never ending cycle of entertainment to it.  Obviously the player will get tired of it, but the potential has to be their. 
- The company or developer needs to re-invest proceeds.  It seems they are unwilling to do that other than fixing mandatory bugs. Instead they spit out expansions and sell their game to the player all over again. 

Unfortunately both golden rules are not even a thought, but instead maximum profit. 
 

WITH MAXIMUM PROFIT BEING THE COMPANIES GOAL.  THIS LEAVES THE MMORPG PLAYER WITH ALL BAD OPTIONS.


A word for the optimist:
You opinion can't count.  Go ahead and eat your spoiled tuna sandwich and not complain  :o
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  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member RarePosts: 3,414
    Well, it's not really working too well anymore.
    But that opens the door for maximum game play.
    Sooner or later, someone will take advantage of that opening.
    Gdemami

    Once upon a time....

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,765
    Well, it's not really working too well anymore.
    But that opens the door for maximum game play.
    Sooner or later, someone will take advantage of that opening.
    This is true. If something closes down, it leaves the opportunity for something else to open. 
    It could go full circle.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,871
    edited March 10
     I dunno man , im havin more fun now than ever , still got UO , also playin Anarchy Online 2019 server , DAOC and POE new season ..

      Maybe your doing it wrong , or your expectations are jaded and borked..
      Still plenty of good game play out there
    KyleranHatefullJean-Luc_PicardGobstopper3DOctagon7711Maddog666laseritGregorMcgregorHawkaya399tweedledumb99
  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 7,958
    edited March 10
    As much time as you take to type out these threads complaining about nothing to play, it seems you could find plenty to play. When MMOs bore you, find a good RPG to play, or anything not MMO.

    I've become bored with ESO, GW2, FFXIV so I decided to explore my Steam backlog. Currently playing Dragon Quest 11 and It's a nice break from MMO, 40 hours in currently and that's maybe halfway. It's looking like a 100+ hour game. Epic games is giving games away every two weeks as well. Lots to play right now.
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,767
    You kinda lost me at "A select few have their niche game for the time being (ESO,WoW,FF14,GW2)"

    ESO, WoW, FFXIV and GW2 are not niche.
    MargraveHatefullOctagon7711MrMelGibsonMaddog666AmatheSovrathrojoArcueidGregorMcgregortweedledumb99and 4 others.
  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 7,958
    You kinda lost me at "A select few have their niche game for the time being (ESO,WoW,FF14,GW2)"

    ESO, WoW, FFXIV and GW2 are not niche.
    mainstream AF in fact.
    HatefullOctagon7711Maddog666AmatherojoArcueidultimateduck


  • KatillaKatilla Member UncommonPosts: 813
    The real loser here is grammar.
    LokeroDMKanoCryomatrixKyleranHatefullXarkoGruntyimmodiumBlaze_Rockerdelete5230and 20 others.
  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 3,636
    Tight.

    Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.

  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,239
    Hell I have to many games to play that I have to rotate thru games.  It also keeps me from getting burned out on one game doing that and there is normally something new when I go back.  I play games of all genre, except MOBA and Battle Royal, don't enjoy those at all.  Think the problem you have is you don't truly enjoy gaming, at least not anymore.
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  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 3,837
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,483
    I see what you're getting at OP, unfortunately, things are the way they are because people ultimately want them to be. If you actually played things back in the early 2000s, you'll remember that no one really 'wanted' to play those games the way they were designed. They ultimately played them because there was hardly any variety or competition. Coming down to games at their core in the past, it was gamers vs developers back then which forced gamers to band together and find ways to work within an unchanging system. No one really wanted to rely on each other back then, there was just no way around it. Thus was why there was never a dent made on RMT in games back then either, there was always a demand to cut corners where people could.
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,175
    It boils down to this.  No one is happy.  A select few have their niche game for the time being (ESO,WoW,FF14,GW2) but all-in-all take that game away their back in the pool with the rest of us.

    It all comes down to money.  I started with wanting a monthly fee, then realized it's all bad.

    Standoff:
    -MAXIMUM PROFIT (company)
    -Good wholesome game (player) 


    I took the Liberty to find this: 
    Wholesome- Somebody who is pure of heart, devoid of corruption or malice, modest, stable, virtuous, and all-around sweet and compassionate....... This is what we want in a game..... This will not come from Triple A.... Never !!


    I want a monthly fee but their is "some golden rules attached". 
    - The game has to have a long run never ending cycle of entertainment to it.  Obviously the player will get tired of it, but the potential has to be their. 
    - The company or developer needs to re-invest proceeds.  It seems they are unwilling to do that other than fixing mandatory bugs. Instead they spit out expansions and sell their game to the player all over again. 

    Unfortunately both golden rules are not even a thought, but instead maximum profit. 
     

    WITH MAXIMUM PROFIT BEING THE COMPANIES GOAL.  THIS LEAVES THE MMORPG PLAYER WITH ALL BAD OPTIONS.


    A word for the optimist:
    You opinion can't count.  Go ahead and eat your spoiled tuna sandwich and not complain  :o
    *Sigh* Speak for yourself. And FYI, all those games you listed as "niche" are very mainstream.
    Maddog666

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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member RarePosts: 2,608
    Shoulda known.  Should've guess'd who done it....
    XarkoJean-Luc_PicardMrMelGibsonMaddog666Amathe

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,444
    I may not be happy with the overall state of gaming and seeing the market flooded by thousands of wannabe developers but i have some games to play that i enjoy.

    The problem with  the entire market and even within the games i enjoy is we always have to be worried about the next day and what changes might arrive because devs are just greedy as hell.We might be sailing along,having fun,then all of a sudden game breaking changes,not the same game anymore  or we see developers doing some really retarded things instead of fixing the current state of games.

    Creativity has pretty much been tossed out the window,al devs want to give us is the exact same game as last month with a different skin>>>NO THANKS,this isn't an art sale,this is gaming.

    Many years ago i had hopes,i thought just maybe there are going to be studios that have a pssion to deliver something special,well 35 years later,i finally realized,this is just a business to MOST fo them,they care little about achievements in game design but care a lot about money and how fast hey can start making it.

    Some might think...well they woudl want to make AAA games to outsell the other guy,nope doesn't work that way,you onl;y deliver what others are doing then try to bend the market in your favor with less effort means like marketing and paying streamers/websites to endorse yorurgames.
    Scot

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,444
    Can you imagine how different the gaming scape would be if there weren't any bs'ing,like websites would come straight out and say  developers are not delivering good games or streamers didn't play every game that came ringing on their business phone.

    Developers wouldn't have this FAKE shroud to hide behind,nobody would be lying or deceiving on their behalf,the truth would come out,then developers would have to step up,nobody to cover their ass.Right now it is ONE BIG game of deceit and everyone is in on it to make a buck.
    PalebaneCayleraQuarterStackMMOExposed

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,628
    You know what my problem with MMO's are, it is that I got bored of it. I dont enjoy the genre that much. It is my problem. 

    There are so many games to choose from now, so many different MMOs. The industry has some lame elements to it, but there are always alternatives. 
    Kyleran
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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,765
    Wizardry said:
    I may not be happy with the overall state of gaming and seeing the market flooded by thousands of wannabe developers but i have some games to play that i enjoy.

    The problem with  the entire market and even within the games i enjoy is we always have to be worried about the next day and what changes might arrive because devs are just greedy as hell.We might be sailing along,having fun,then all of a sudden game breaking changes,not the same game anymore  or we see developers doing some really retarded things instead of fixing the current state of games.

    Creativity has pretty much been tossed out the window,al devs want to give us is the exact same game as last month with a different skin>>>NO THANKS,this isn't an art sale,this is gaming.

    Many years ago i had hopes,i thought just maybe there are going to be studios that have a pssion to deliver something special,well 35 years later,i finally realized,this is just a business to MOST fo them,they care little about achievements in game design but care a lot about money and how fast hey can start making it.

    Some might think...well they woudl want to make AAA games to outsell the other guy,nope doesn't work that way,you onl;y deliver what others are doing then try to bend the market in your favor with less effort means like marketing and paying streamers/websites to endorse yorurgames.
    This ^
    Your post here are your thoughts and how you feel. 
    This is how most EVERYONE HERE FEELS.  Difference being it's me. 

    If I were to pull a one-eighty and say the opposite, infact anything, it would be met with the same opposition. 

    Grammar aside, I wouldn't take back a word..... Why?..... Because it's true. 
  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member RarePosts: 2,608
    That black and white mentality, it colors your reality.  


    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,765
    Right here and now, I figured the exact reason people hate me.

    People don't like being told what to do and how to think, thats a given, nothing new about that.

    "Even if correct" people don't like to be told about it.

    People are thinking it, I'm saying it.


    It's like this:
    If something is on the floor and NEEDS to be picked up.  People despise being told to pick it up.  Even if they planned on picking it up eventually because it NEEDS to.



    People here hate the crap we have now with the exception of their niche one game.  The only difference being I'm saying it..... but the fact still stands, they hate the crap. 
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,045
    edited March 10
    Reminds me that scene in Rainman... "Who's on first?". Same repetitive pattern. Except that in the movie, he doesn't say that Baseball is a niche game.
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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657


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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,765
    Reminds me that scene in Rainman... "Who's on first?". Same repetitive pattern. Except that in the movie, he doesn't say that Baseball is a niche game.
    Missed you commenting on my post lately.... Welcome back :) 
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,765
    Grunty said:


    Good one @Grunty ;

    Lets explore this:
    People think it... I say it... mmorpg's suck !   

    It's like this:
    Your in a van pool with five other guys. One takes a dump in their pants, it smells awful. 
    No one says a word.  Well, I'm the one that will say " John, did you do that ?"
    Wraithone
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,742
    edited March 10
    No one 'hates' you Delete that term is so often overused, just some disagree. The baulk of the people in the likes of ESO and WoW are happy, or they would not be there. But so too are the baulk of players in the worst MMOs out there.

    So you have to ask yourself are we happy with MMOs right now or have we learnt to be happy with them? Certainly I am not content with many of the changes we have seen to even those MMOs like ESO and Lotro which I still think are worth playing. I can see how we have been taught to play a different way, the way gaming companies want us to play rather than the way we want to play.

    From cash shops to loot boxes and other casino elements in MMOs, from solo rules over grouping which in turn fostered an easy mode culture. Slowly but surely we were pulled along. Now some of these elements players who had not been MMO players wanted, like the predominance of solo play. But we did not, you could hear players talking about the need for soloing to be easier, but not for MMOs to be made into a solo to top level game.

    The market is now theirs because they have the numbers, but indie may be where those of us who want a rebalancing find our answer. But as I said a rebalancing, I am not sure classic EQ would be for be for example (presuming here they went the whole hog) as think modern MMOs have a lot to offer.

    Keep your chin up and you never know, you may get the MMO you have been looking for in a year or two.
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