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Ashes 101 - Is it true Ashes is a BR Game now?

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,209
    Kyleran said:
    I could only speak for myself where I think the anger in people is coming from.

    From my perspective:
    I'm starving for a new mmorpg.  I'm mainly a PvE player "I think most of us are".  But PvP games have been dominating lately, Battle Royal have been too.  

    I understand Ashes of Creation is both a PvP and PvE game.  I don't think Intrepid intentionally tried to trick or fool us but their first few videos were PvE content.... The PvE players got excited !!!!..... Then BR was introduces and reality set in.  The PvE players being the majority feel let down.  Battle Royal games are popular, BUT were looking for an mmorpg.

    This may sound stupid, but I think it was an "unintentional trick of the mind" on people. 

    I for one assumed with Everquest developers, it would be PvE.  I built in my mind PvE, I didn't read the fine print.


    Angreeegamer 
    PvP type are asking...What's the problem ?... But the PvE player feels let down by the unintentional shift of what they were expecting. 

    That's an interesting perspective. I guess I view this whole situation as Intrepid has a checklist of content they need to make to please everyone and meet all their advertised design choices that have been public since 2017. We've already seen them dedicate pretty much a year to nothing but PvE mechanic foundations with placeholder tab target combat. Now we're seeing them shift to PvP and action combat which is also on that list. Both tab and action, PvP and PvE are still going to be apart of the end product so why would the order they are tested in cause you to feel tricked?

    I mean the world is meant to be dynamic and constantly changing which means it needs to be driven by PvP and conflict to spawn new PvE content that doesn't feel predictable and stale.

     @Arterius

    I mean despite your feelings for other games and the pre-bias its caused, Intrepid are clearly listening to feedback within reason. They're not asking players to be designers with insane scope creep features. They're asking players to work with what they give them - what they laid out for us since the very beginning - and tell them how to improve it and change it while still delivering that specific feature.

    You can just look at this recent mess to see how this played out. Intrepid brought an early demo to PAX and let players see and test it. Intrepid got feedback on how to change and improve an aspect of that demo that players seem to be focused on (combat) and they did just that. They've severely deviated from their original testing schedule to put certain aspects in the front since there was such major player feedback and demand to do so.

    Despite people taking the piss out of the game mode, since the combat update and server architecture tests we've seen far less complaints and concerns surrounding those two aspects of the game. Shockingly now people seem to want to see more of what Intrepid was doing in the first place. Only now the community went from chill to a horde of Veruca Salt's screaming "I WANT IT NOW or it doesn't exist!"
    They made their own bed from the moment they announced this "testing only" BR mode and their mishandling of it to date has lead to the current player angst.

    Remember, "launch" of Ashes the MMORPG (AoM) is due by years end and I doubt anyone believes that's possible.

    Ashes Battle Royal (ABR) was supposed to go live in February right?  Today is March 1st, and I'm not sure they published a single update last month on it besides, oh, we f'd up and have to rework a bunch of stuff, including our forums.
    Love love how all these Crowdfunded games claim they are doing stupid shit because it was demanded by the players.   Yeah... I’d love to see the groundswell of backers who demanded that they create a stand alone BattleRoyale game with its own cash shop.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,383
    edited March 2019




    They've severely deviated from their original testing schedule to put certain aspects in the front since there was such major player feedback and demand to do so.


    I wanted to focus on this point, glad to see I'm not the only person who remembered the comments about testing schedule delays.

    I'm sure I read a write up at years end where Steven said a big driver behind the decision to market and monetize the BR was to help cover the unplanned cost this off cycle testing added to to the project. 

    Wish I could find that conversation, but it might have been in one of their Q & A sessions locked behind their downed forums.

    I bring this up as I never believed their claims that little or none of the AtM funding was used to stand up and ready Apocalypse, and I know they are trying to spin all of the new rework as being a benefit to AtM. 

    As I see things, they not only aren't getting any revenue benefit from ABR, they continue to divert resources from AtM to it, delaying the MMORPG version further.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,209
    Kyleran said:




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    They've severely deviated from their original testing schedule to put certain aspects in the front since there was such major player feedback and demand to do so.


    I wanted to focus on this point, glad to see I'm not the only person who remembered the comments about testing schedule delays.

    I'm sure I read a write up at years end where Steven said a big driver behind the decision to market and monetize the BR was to help cover the unplanned cost this off cycle testing added to to the project. 

    Wish I could find that conversation, but it might have been in one of their Q & A sessions locked behind their downed forums.
    He did say that.

    It didn't make any sense then and it doesn't make any sense now.  Unless of course, you question whether or not he actually has the $30M in funding secured...

    Anytime someone tells you they are going to make a different "stand alone" game to support the other game they are working on... it should make your Spidey-Senses tingle.

    KyleranGdemami

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,383
    Kyleran said:




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    They've severely deviated from their original testing schedule to put certain aspects in the front since there was such major player feedback and demand to do so.


    I wanted to focus on this point, glad to see I'm not the only person who remembered the comments about testing schedule delays.

    I'm sure I read a write up at years end where Steven said a big driver behind the decision to market and monetize the BR was to help cover the unplanned cost this off cycle testing added to to the project. 

    Wish I could find that conversation, but it might have been in one of their Q & A sessions locked behind their downed forums.
    He did say that.

    It didn't make any sense then and it doesn't make any sense now.  Unless of course, you question whether or not he actually has the $30M in funding secured...

    Anytime someone tells you they are going to make a different "stand alone" game to support the other game they are working on... it should make your Spidey-Senses tingle.

    I recall Mark Jacob's saying a year or so back he would have liked to take a crack at the BR market but decided it would be bad faith considering their schedule delays.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,209
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:




    a

    They've severely deviated from their original testing schedule to put certain aspects in the front since there was such major player feedback and demand to do so.


    I wanted to focus on this point, glad to see I'm not the only person who remembered the comments about testing schedule delays.

    I'm sure I read a write up at years end where Steven said a big driver behind the decision to market and monetize the BR was to help cover the unplanned cost this off cycle testing added to to the project. 

    Wish I could find that conversation, but it might have been in one of their Q & A sessions locked behind their downed forums.
    He did say that.

    It didn't make any sense then and it doesn't make any sense now.  Unless of course, you question whether or not he actually has the $30M in funding secured...

    Anytime someone tells you they are going to make a different "stand alone" game to support the other game they are working on... it should make your Spidey-Senses tingle.

    I recall Mark Jacob's saying a year or so back he would have liked to take a crack at the BR market but decided it would be bad faith considering their schedule delays.
    Yup... and if anything... CU is actually the closest to a BR of all the Crowdfunded MMORPGs so it would have been the least divergent. 

    The only thing I can beat Mark up about are his delays.  But everything else, from allowing no questions asked refunds, not having “sales” on his years overdue title, allowing players to actually be in game seeing the progress(or lack of) for themselves, and overboard communication is pretty much exactly how a company in this situation should act.

    I don’t recall him ever asking for money for a feature that “players are demanding”.
    parrotpholkblastermastertweedledumb99Kyleran

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:




    a

    They've severely deviated from their original testing schedule to put certain aspects in the front since there was such major player feedback and demand to do so.


    I wanted to focus on this point, glad to see I'm not the only person who remembered the comments about testing schedule delays.

    I'm sure I read a write up at years end where Steven said a big driver behind the decision to market and monetize the BR was to help cover the unplanned cost this off cycle testing added to to the project. 

    Wish I could find that conversation, but it might have been in one of their Q & A sessions locked behind their downed forums.
    He did say that.

    It didn't make any sense then and it doesn't make any sense now.  Unless of course, you question whether or not he actually has the $30M in funding secured...

    Anytime someone tells you they are going to make a different "stand alone" game to support the other game they are working on... it should make your Spidey-Senses tingle.

    I recall Mark Jacob's saying a year or so back he would have liked to take a crack at the BR market but decided it would be bad faith considering their schedule delays.
    Yup... and if anything... CU is actually the closest to a BR of all the Crowdfunded MMORPGs so it would have been the least divergent. 

    The only thing I can beat Mark up about are his delays.  But everything else, from allowing no questions asked refunds, not having “sales” on his years overdue title, allowing players to actually be in game seeing the progress(or lack of) for themselves, and overboard communication is pretty much exactly how a company in this situation should act.

    I don’t recall him ever asking for money for a feature that “players are demanding”.
    Crowfall fits the bill here as well.  They keep chugging along at a brisk place with an alpha build that is playable today.  
    tweedledumb99
  • jahlonjahlon Member UncommonPosts: 381
    Kyleran said:
    I'm sure I read a write up at years end where Steven said a big driver behind the decision to market and monetize the BR was to help cover the unplanned cost this off cycle testing added to to the project.

    Wish I could find that conversation, but it might have been in one of their Q & A sessions locked behind their downed forums.
    You mean this one?
    https://www.paradoxgaming.net/the-steven-answer


    Kyleran
  • MazenealMazeneal Member UncommonPosts: 69
    To be fair, I did not read through each page of this thread, but I want to back up Jahlon's assessment.  I was cleaning out my emails, and had the latest invite to join in on the BR event in Jan.  I had no expectation of a response, or them addressing my email reply to this invite.  I would like to share that exchange.








    I know in the grand scheme of things, that this would do little to convince folks otherwise.  Just an email response to 'randomguy14' but, why address my one lined rant at all!?  Anyways......see you in a game sometime  \m/ 

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