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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited February 2019
    There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that SBS were deliberately dishonest in their KS proposal.

    Jeromy Walsh knew that saying the KS funding total was only meant to build a "demo for investors" would hugely dampen the enthusiasm of potential backers, so that fact was conveniently omitted...

    Sure, there may have been hardcore fans that were already aware of that fact, seeing as they were active on the CoE forums long before the KS arrived, but there would have been many others who would not have known that "hidden detail". New arrivals would have taken the KS info at face value, which is quite acceptable, seeing as that funding proposal should contain all pertinent facts regarding what is being funded.
    Would it have been better if the summary said it was a for a prototype in those exact words? I agree. Still doesn't prove dishonesty. The problem here is once again that you cannot take the KS info at face value. You have to do due diligence.
    The information required to do a true due diligence isn't required to be provided to potential backers. 
    Unfortunately, for KS it is required, otherwise it would not be so cheap and accessible for the developer. KS is where projects go that have no other hope.
    Gdemami
  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited February 2019
    Slapshot1188 said:

    How do you draw that conclusion from this rule:
    The funding goal is the amount of money that a creator needs to complete their project

    It says nothing about only breaking it if you are dishonest.   So please show me where it gives an exception for incompetence.  Or says you have to break the rules intentionally. 
     
    Then why did you highlight "honest and clearly" if it is not relevant? Convenient at the time to imply dishonesty, but not so much now?

    Because clearly when the topic came up Caspian was very open that they did need more cash beyond the kickstarter. My impression was always that the funding goal was for a prototype with which to get further funding.

    Your claim is that they set out to deliberately mislead people. That claim is false.
    Again that is incorrect

    No, all you have is speculation. Driven by your dislike of Caspian because he was rude to you. Which he shouldn't have been. But ultimately there are 3-0-0+ threads on this game, a significant portion started by yourself, for the sole purpose of internet revenge. It is both impressive and sad.

    Unless YOU are Caspian! *head explodes*
    Incorrect again... I'm going to have to add you to the list with Captain LoL and Groundhog Day guy.

    I suppose that is your only recourse. 3-0-0+ threads on how much this game fails is pretty good evidence that you have a massive personal grudge.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,792
    Slapshot1188 said:

    How do you draw that conclusion from this rule:
    The funding goal is the amount of money that a creator needs to complete their project

    It says nothing about only breaking it if you are dishonest.   So please show me where it gives an exception for incompetence.  Or says you have to break the rules intentionally. 
     
    Then why did you highlight "honest and clearly" if it is not relevant? Convenient at the time to imply dishonesty, but not so much now?

    Because clearly when the topic came up Caspian was very open that they did need more cash beyond the kickstarter. My impression was always that the funding goal was for a prototype with which to get further funding.

    Your claim is that they set out to deliberately mislead people. That claim is false.
    Again that is incorrect

    No, all you have is speculation. Driven by your dislike of Caspian because he was rude to you. Which he shouldn't have been. But ultimately there are 3-0-0+ threads on this game, a significant portion started by yourself, for the sole purpose of internet revenge. It is both impressive and sad.

    Unless YOU are Caspian! *head explodes*
    Incorrect again... I'm going to have to add you to the list with Captain LoL and Groundhog Day guy.

    I suppose that is your only recourse. 3-0-0+ threads on how much this game fails is pretty good evidence that you have a massive personal grudge.
    Well what is he supposed to answer?
    The threads he made at least have valid critical points.

    All you do is repeat over and over again that he has a grudge as if that would invalidate his points.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,067
    Dakeru said:
    The threads he made at least have valid critical points.

    ...his ignorance and self-entitlement aren't sufficient to make his "points" even remotely valid.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,792
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    The threads he made at least have valid critical points.

    ...his ignorance and self-entitlement aren't sufficient to make his "points" even remotely valid.
    You are describing yourself perfectly.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,067
    edited February 2019
    Dakeru said:
    You are describing yourself perfectly.
    Unlikely, I am not the one with 300+ troll CoE threads under my belt...
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  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 290
    Slap pretty clearly has a personal grudge against CoE.

    Slap also raises some good, valid criticisms about the project and how its handled. These are worth looking at for anyone interested in the project.

    Both are true.

    Also @Gdemami, I want you to stop trolling and be more critical about the games you identify with.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,980
    Very common defense mechanism is to try and turn the thread from it’s subject to be about Slapshot. You know... kill the messenger (harbinger).

    Lets stay on target. 
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,067
    edited February 2019
    I want you to stop trolling and be more critical
    Hardly trolling, just reasonable.

    So far, objectively speaking, there isn't much to be concerned about - delays and changes happen, Walsh is terrible at communication/pr. But that is about all there is.

    Rehearshing those 2 same "points" over and over...now that's trolling.
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited February 2019
    Slap pretty clearly has a personal grudge against CoE.

    Slap also raises some good, valid criticisms about the project and how its handled. These are worth looking at for anyone interested in the project.

    Both are true.

    Also @Gdemami, I want you to stop trolling and be more critical about the games you identify with.
    This is the thing, Caspian/SBS are worthy of criticism but there does need to be a balance because more often than not the discussion tilts all the way across to hyperbole and disingenuous trolling. That is often the only reason I post is to highlight that. Of course if you are uncritical of SBS in anyway your are a fanboy, which just further illustrates how off balance most of the commentary here is.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,792
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    You are describing yourself perfectly.
    Unlikely, I am not the one with 300+ troll CoE threads under my belt...
    No, you are the one with the 10.000 Lols under your belt.

    Slap pretty clearly has a personal grudge against CoE.

    Slap also raises some good, valid criticisms about the project and how its handled. These are worth looking at for anyone interested in the project.

    Both are true.

    Also @Gdemami, I want you to stop trolling and be more critical about the games you identify with.
    This is the thing, Caspian/SBS are worthy of criticism but there does need to be a balance because more often than not the discussion tilts all the way across to hyperbole and disingenuous trolling. That is often the only reason I post is to highlight that. Of course if you are uncritical of SBS in anyway your are a fanboy, which just further illustrates how off balance most of the commentary here is.
    No one is arguing that Slap has an emotional affiliation with this project.
    He is a critical character. Always has been.
    And honestly a part of is already looking forward to him covering the nonsense promises the revamped Mortal Online will bring with it.

    The point is he won't allow himself to be blinded by his critical stance and that is why his input is still valued in this community even after years of critical coverage.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,067
    edited February 2019
    Dakeru said:
    No, you are the one with the 10.000 Lols under your belt.
    Yep, there are lots of hilariously flawed or otherwise ridiculous posts to get a good laugh about...
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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 7,046
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    No, you are the one with the 10.000 Lols under your belt.

    Yep, there are lots of hilariously flawed or othwerwise ridiculous posts to get a laugh at...
    I'd say that was a relatively conservative estimate.
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    Dakeru said:
    I suppose that is your only recourse. 3-0-0+ threads on how much this game fails is pretty good evidence that you have a massive personal grudge.
    Well what is he supposed to answer?
    The threads he made at least have valid critical points.

    All you do is repeat over and over again that he has a grudge as if that would invalidate his points.
    Please, Slap repeats the same criticisms of SBS over and over. For all the valid criticisms of the COE forum's ivory tower mentality, a similar thing happens here. Lots of backslapping for anyone that is critical and immediate dogpile of someone that is less than critical.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,910
    cheyane said:
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    No, you are the one with the 10.000 Lols under your belt.

    Yep, there are lots of hilariously flawed or othwerwise ridiculous posts to get a laugh at...
    I'd say that was a relatively conservative estimate.
    There is all of Gdemami's for a start. :)
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,792
    Please, Slap repeats the same criticisms of SBS over and over. 
    Fair enough but that is partly cause Caspien repeats the same mistakes over and over again as well.

    When you are 2 years past your release date and you still have not even an alpha to show and instead toss more features towards the community which no one asked for then he simply didn't learn his lesson.

    It  will keep going like this for a few years until Caspien finally reveals something playable for a bigger audience.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,067
    edited February 2019
    Dakeru said:
    It  will keep going like this for a few years until Caspien finally reveals something playable for a bigger audience.
    ...nah, that will only result in "$5.5M gets you... part II" thread - equally ignorant and equally stupid.

    CoE isn't a problem, that very thread is a prime example of what an actual issue is.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,792
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    It  will keep going like this for a few years until Caspien finally reveals something playable for a bigger audience.
    ...nah, that will only result in "$5.5M gets you... part II" thread - equally ignorant and equally stupid.

    CoE isn't a problem, that very thread is a proof of whst an actual issue is.
    CoE is a huge problem.
    5.5 mil flushed down the toilet means people like us who would actually like a new and fresh concept will never see it cause all the money is just tossed towards incompetent wannabe developers who have no idea how to make an actual game.

    Just keep promising and the gullible will keep on giving you money.
    No one has a reason to make a game anymore cause this is just more profitable.
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited February 2019
    Dakeru said:
    Please, Slap repeats the same criticisms of SBS over and over. 
    Fair enough but that is partly cause Caspien repeats the same mistakes over and over again as well.
    *lol* That is certainly true. I facepalm as much as the next guy regarding that. I just don't find any pleasure in gloating over him struggling. Which is exactly what Slap, Frenchie and a few others here do.

    The other thing is that they want to pretend that they have some particular ability or insight to spot projects that will struggle. KS indie projects of this nature are 90% likely to fail. There is no great feat in predicting it. It's one thing to discuss it in an objective manner but its pretty sad to create 3-0-0+ threads the sole purpose of which is to bait Caspian. You can see it from the tone of the posts.

    Obviously Caspian should just ignore it but regardless of whether he does or not, all these threads are nothing other than trolling. This is not about helping a project to realise its faults but for the poster's own aggrandizement.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,792
    StaalBurgher said:
    KS indie projects of this nature are 90% likely to fail. There is no great feat in predicting it. 

    Isn't that even more a reason to be critical?
    I would personally prefer it if people invested in projects that aren't about giving you impossible promises but something realistic that may actually see a release.

    No one benefits from a game that consists of a list of features that only exist on paper.
    Not the critics, not the fans.
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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 295
    Gdemami said:
    Yep, there are lots of hilariously flawed or otherwise ridiculous posts to get a good laugh about...
    If you are honestly laughing at every post you LOL at. I be worried about your mental state. I just took you as a troll that does that to every post. You seemly don't have a side. Not just to do with CoE. Meaning on these boards in general.

    You really remind me of this guy on the CoE forums ages back. That guy didn't seem to be interested in the game at all. But was there all the time, like he had nothing better to do. Unless you really are a backer and is generally annoyed at Slap, when he keeps making these threads.

    So yeah, it's a bit weird Slap goes on and on. More so since he isn't a backer, got a free account from what I know. If he has any interest in playing CoE is something else. But his points aren't completely off the mark either. 

    If people were so bothered by Slap in general. Just not replying to him would solve the problem. Someone making hundreds of threads wouldn't go anywhere if people weren't replying to them. So either everyone is doing the longest troll for whatever reason or they all really do have good points. 
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,067
    Dakeru said:
    CoE is a huge problem.
    5.5 mil flushed down the toilet means people like us who would actually like a new and fresh concept will never see it cause all the money is just tossed towards incompetent wannabe developers who have no idea how to make an actual game.

    Just keep promising and the gullible will keep on giving you money.
    No one has a reason to make a game anymore cause this is just more profitable.
    Which one of the category do you belong to?

    1) Gulled by SBS to pledged and now is being gulled by Slapshot to believe his "valid points".

    2) SJW having hard time with people spending money as they see fit



    You are just proving a point I was making...

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,792
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    CoE is a huge problem.
    5.5 mil flushed down the toilet means people like us who would actually like a new and fresh concept will never see it cause all the money is just tossed towards incompetent wannabe developers who have no idea how to make an actual game.

    Just keep promising and the gullible will keep on giving you money.
    No one has a reason to make a game anymore cause this is just more profitable.
    Which one of the category do you belong to?

    1) Gulled by SBS to pledged and now is being gulled by Slapshot to believe his "valid points".

    2) SJW having hard time with people spending money as they see fit



    You are just proving a point I was making...

    You don't have any points.
    You just attack anyone critical about anything and label them as self entitled.

    It just always feels like you hate humanity itself and wish everyone was enslaved in a Shadowrun kind of corporation scenario.

    I wonder what kind of deep self hatred it takes to take on your stance.
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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 295
    *lol* That is certainly true. I facepalm as much as the next guy regarding that. I just don't find any pleasure in gloating over him struggling. Which is exactly what Slap, Frenchie and a few others here do.

    The other thing is that they want to pretend that they have some particular ability or insight to spot projects that will struggle. KS indie projects of this nature are 90% likely to fail. 


    I really doubt Caspian reads these boards anymore. But knowing KS fail rate is so high and really making games is a tricky thing in general. It's pretty common place for triple A games to bomb these days. I really wish SBS would change their ways. They have been doing the same thing for years now. They hype the hell out of something on discord, like it's just around the corner, but it's really not. I just don't get why they do this. 

    All they are doing in the long run, is making people lose faith in them. Which isn't good for anyone. So while the people on here, you could argue aren't doing much. Well some people have tried to say something about it on their official forums to get shut down pretty heavily.

    All I wanna know is why Caspian does all these stupid things. He clearly isn't learning at all. I was expected to hear something about domain selection. Since it was hyped like they could drop it in december, but pushed it back cause of the holidays. Which did make sense. Now it's the end of Feb and there has been nothing. We have yet to see any state of elyria post. For a 6 monthly update post, it disappointing to see they can't even be bothered to update the greater community. Which is doing nothing but filling me with more doubts. Being silent isn't always the best way. Yet if it's some store event, well they do make sure those always happen on time. 

    GdemamiStaalBurgher
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,067
    edited February 2019
    Torrsk said:
    If people were so bothered by Slap in general. Just not replying to him would solve the problem.
    Actually, that isn't a problem - I never said they are bothered by his posting, on the contrary.

    The best reply to your post is an example of one of your very own:
    Torrsk said:
    What the hell is that? Like I get what it is, I just don't get anything else.. it seems like a bunch of kids making a game.

    "Hey you know what would be real cool, lets build goat simulator"
    "What about Pre-Elyria or DSS"
    "Nah who cares, our fans will eat this randomness up anyway"
    "Yeah good idea, then secretly we will release this as a stand alone game"
    "Then run off with the millions we took from them"

    Of course for all I knew, this only took a very short amount of time to make.
    All that to reaction of standard ragdoll test which is absolutely common in any game development involving 3D models. So what we have:

    1) Ignorance - check
    2) Self-entitlement - check
    3) Slander - check
    4) Armchair developer comment - check

    Don't feel bad, most of the posts here are like that, it is not just you - thus many my lol giveaways.

    People aren't dev savvy, they lack knowledge of some field....no issue with that, we all have our strenghts and weaknesses but how the hell can you justify such post?! Some people even dare to call it "valid points"...mind boggling...

    But I think we had this conversation already...
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