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(little late) NCSOFT 4th quarter 2018 (On the way to become a mobile dev?)

KabulozoKabulozo Member RarePosts: 932
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Mobile revenues stabilized and are now their biggest source thanks mainly to Lineage M. Can't wait to see the effect of their upcoming mobile MMOs (Lineage 2M, Blade & Soul 2, etc).

Royalties also remain strong thanks to Lineage M in Taiwan.

Mobile Games - 222 billion KRW
Lineage 1 - 39 billion KRW
Blade & Soul - 24 billion KRW
Lineage 2 - 20 billion KRW
Guild Wars 2 - 15 billion KRW
Aion - 12 billion KRW

Royalties - 53 billion KRW.

Comments

  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,089
    Its a time of Kim Karshadians, Influenzas, Twich  Heroes and Trump presidents. Also with the possibility to reach way more people with mobile phones- more of " a fool and his money shall be parted". Its like the IQ is dropping, mass brainwash is super easy and casino gayms are okay.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    edited February 2019
      Always , very interetsing to me that Lineage 1 still crushes all there other PC games , such a dedicated a great following for that game ...

      And lol at GW2 .. being a bottom feeder in NCSOft stable is never a good place to be
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    I wonder if bots infest their mobile games too?
    Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix
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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    Cryomatrix said:
    I wonder if bots infest their mobile games too?
    Why when it's automated already.
    anemo
  • aummoidaummoid Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Seems to me that based on the numbers, they already ARE a mobile dev that has some PC games on the side. Their mobile business is pulling in twice the revenues of their PC business.
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    Vermillion_Raventhal said:
    Cryomatrix said:
    I wonder if bots infest their mobile games too?
    Why when it's automated already.
    I was making a snarky wise ass remark given their facilitated bot problem in their PC games.
    Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix
    You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations. 
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,751
    That is one company I wouldnt miss if they folded up shop tomorrow.
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 3,847
    I wonder if ArenaNet has figured out by now that their Living Story updates are killing them.
    Seriously, no one cares.
    Just release an expansion every year and ride it out until NCsoft closes it down.


    Mobile makes more than twice as much money as all their PC games ....once again.
    The "you all have phones, dont you" is a stupid meme that NCsoft is taking to the BANK.
    And people wonder why Blizzard is focusing a ton of development on mobile.
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,530
    DMKano said:
    Scorchien said:
      Always , very interetsing to me that Lineage 1 still crushes all there other PC games , such a dedicated a great following for that game ...

      And lol at GW2 .. being the bottom feeder in NCSOft stable is never a good place to be


    Not sure how long of a life Arenanet has at this point.
    NcSoft does not own ArenaNet in the sense they can close them down like they did with Wildstar, , they can at best break partnership with them.
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 3,847
    edited February 2019
    Ungood said:
    DMKano said:
    Scorchien said:
      Always , very interetsing to me that Lineage 1 still crushes all there other PC games , such a dedicated a great following for that game ...

      And lol at GW2 .. being the bottom feeder in NCSOft stable is never a good place to be


    Not sure how long of a life Arenanet has at this point.
    NcSoft does not own ArenaNet in the sense they can close them down like they did with Wildstar, , they can at best break partnership with them.
    NCsoft bought ArenaNet on December 12, 2002 for $15.5 million.

    There is no "partnership", they are a subsidiary.
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,530
    edited February 2019
    Xiaoki said:
    Ungood said:
    DMKano said:
    Scorchien said:
      Always , very interetsing to me that Lineage 1 still crushes all there other PC games , such a dedicated a great following for that game ...

      And lol at GW2 .. being the bottom feeder in NCSOft stable is never a good place to be


    Not sure how long of a life Arenanet has at this point.
    NcSoft does not own ArenaNet in the sense they can close them down like they did with Wildstar, , they can at best break partnership with them.
    NCsoft bought ArenaNet on December 12, 2002 for $15.5 million.

    There is no "partnership", they are a subsidiary.
    ArenaNet already made it publicly clear they autonomous, In the sense they do not answer to NcSoft, nor can NcSoft close them down, they explained this during the scare when City of Hero's was closed down, hence why GW1 is still alive and running even if it was making less than CoH did when NCSoft closed that game down. ArenaNet is not at NcSoft's mercy.
    Gdemami
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • Cybersig211Cybersig211 Member UncommonPosts: 173
    Learning that these are businesses.  They could spend hundreds of millions on a mmorpg for PC that will most likely fail with a loss or break even...maybe squeak a profit out over the long term.

    Or spend 1/8th of that on a mobile game and rake in the money.

    Guess what they are going to do?

    Mind you this publisher is shutting down PC mmorpgs...they do not have any wildly successful mmorpg to warrant adding a new one and siphoning their shrinking playerbase.
  • KabulozoKabulozo Member RarePosts: 932
    edited February 2019
    Learning that these are businesses.  They could spend hundreds of millions on a mmorpg for PC that will most likely fail with a loss or break even...maybe squeak a profit out over the long term.

    Or spend 1/8th of that on a mobile game and rake in the money.

    Guess what they are going to do?

    Mind you this publisher is shutting down PC mmorpgs...they do not have any wildly successful mmorpg to warrant adding a new one and siphoning their shrinking playerbase.
    Lineage M is a full port of Lineage 1 for Mobile. NC's last big hope for a PC MMO in Korea is Project TL, but until TL comes so we can see whether korean players will like it or not, their mobile projects so far look more promissing, Lineage 2M and Blade & Soul 2 both look gorgeous for a mobile game.

    PC MMOs are getting difficult times today. Wildstar never broke even, 4 years in operation, never paid its development costs, resulting on its demise. But Project TL can be successful in eastern markets, they just need to deliver a proper Lineage game.
  • DarkHighDarkHigh Member UncommonPosts: 157
    Man i really liked NCSoft back when Aion was subscription based. I miss that version of the game, pvp was fun. Now days I have very little hope for NCSoft. As someone who cut my teeth on Lineage 2 this makes me very sad.
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,530
    DMKano said:
    Ungood said:
    Xiaoki said:
    Ungood said:
    DMKano said:
    Scorchien said:
      Always , very interetsing to me that Lineage 1 still crushes all there other PC games , such a dedicated a great following for that game ...

      And lol at GW2 .. being the bottom feeder in NCSOft stable is never a good place to be


    Not sure how long of a life Arenanet has at this point.
    NcSoft does not own ArenaNet in the sense they can close them down like they did with Wildstar, , they can at best break partnership with them.
    NCsoft bought ArenaNet on December 12, 2002 for $15.5 million.

    There is no "partnership", they are a subsidiary.
    ArenaNet already made it publicly clear they autonomous, In the sense they do not answer to NcSoft, nor can NcSoft close them down, they explained this during the scare when City of Hero's was closed down, hence why GW1 is still alive and running even if it was making less than CoH did when NCSoft closed that game down. ArenaNet is not at NcSoft's mercy.


    They are at the mercy of shrinking revenue which has been the story for majority video game studios for the last year+

    GW2 cannot float the company anymore... so what do they have to save them?
    2 main points:

    1: GW2 is doing fine, they are sill making half a million a month, which is more than enough to keep them up and running.. in fact they have risen back to pre HoT income numbers, so they are doing quite well, not dying by a long shot.

    2: Like any company they need to make money or they are screwed, they just have control over their own fate.
    bcbullyGdemami
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Way too much greed,these developers have too many big shots at the table who contribute nothing to gaming but want huge payrolls and bonuses.If me or you made 1 million a year we would be jumping up and down for joy.
    These developers can pay all their bills with the first month of profits but they want more.Nobody is happy unless they fill their  greed mode and that is sad because nothing anymore is about gaming or the quality of,it is all about businesses and making money.

    It is so bad it has filtered down to the gamer,now all these poor teenagers,young adults are turning to streaming in hopes to make a living from gaming.We have long had rmt operations with 20-100 people working for them.

    It sure  would be nice if we could just get back to gaming and leave all that other crap outside the door.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    ikcin said:
    The people that have mobile phones are much more than the PCs owners. And most PC or console owners have old machines. So this spreadsheet is logical.
    That probably is the case in the Asian market, which is where the revenue is being generated by the mobile apps, with the other games seeing a gradual decrease in revenue, with the exception of Lineage II, this just continues the trend of NCSoft losing ground outside of the Asian market, but when you look at the figures its easy to understand why Blizzard is trying to break into the Asian mobile market, i just don't think they can though as its not an open market and the current 'players' are pretty much entrenched.  :p
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,100
    Look at Lineage 1 still coming up top among the games. Really admire the loyalty of their player base. Most games don't have that but it is no accident because only a certain type of game can inspire loyalty like that. Obviously Lineage 1 has the formula down cold.
    Chamber of Chains
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    Gotta love how they put all mobile games together as one big chunk of profit, then compare it to each PC game separately.

    Looking for excuses to slowly kill all their PC games. Just shut them all down at once and be done with it.

    I wish ANET went independent and took GW/GW2 with them.
    Gdemami




  • KabulozoKabulozo Member RarePosts: 932
    Torval said:
    Kabulozo said:
    Learning that these are businesses.  They could spend hundreds of millions on a mmorpg for PC that will most likely fail with a loss or break even...maybe squeak a profit out over the long term.

    Or spend 1/8th of that on a mobile game and rake in the money.

    Guess what they are going to do?

    Mind you this publisher is shutting down PC mmorpgs...they do not have any wildly successful mmorpg to warrant adding a new one and siphoning their shrinking playerbase.
    Lineage M is a full port of Lineage 1 for Mobile. NC's last big hope for a PC MMO in Korea is Project TL, but until TL comes so we can see whether korean players will like it or not, their mobile projects so far look more promissing, Lineage 2M and Blade & Soul 2 both look gorgeous for a mobile game.

    PC MMOs are getting difficult times today. Wildstar never broke even, 4 years in operation, never paid its development costs, resulting on its demise. But Project TL can be successful in eastern markets, they just need to deliver a proper Lineage game.
    Does Lineage M play like traditional PC Lineage? Do you play with a controller or gestures? The thought made me feel nostalgic. :lol:
    There are folks playin LM on PC, with keyboard and mouse, through emulation.
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