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Entropia Universe: My Surprise

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited February 2019 in News & Features Discussion

imageEntropia Universe: My Surprise

Sixteen years ago, Entropia Universe released, and Red Thomas ignored it. Years later, Red has a reason to try the game and gives readers his thoughts about why some players may want to give it a look.

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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    I play the game. It is something i always come back to.
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  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680
    People have said its the rich mans mmo.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,955
    edited February 2019
    It was The P2W MMO when it was released, but as MMOs as a genre have become more P2W it no longer stands out as much as it did, just worst of the crop. A herald of the P2W genre we have today, it was slated when it launched, but now after P2W by stealth: early access, loot boxes, cash land grabs, buy a fleet of ships, skin economies and the like it no doubt will not get such severe reviews from the consumers, sorry players of today.
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  • DEXA88DEXA88 Member UncommonPosts: 175
    If they made a server that dosent force you to pay $ to buy ammo and instead have a monthly sub it would have been way more popular
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  • foxgirlfoxgirl Member RarePosts: 485
    I remember reading about some whale that bought a moon or something for a VERY large amount of real money.
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  • Truvidien88Truvidien88 Member UncommonPosts: 462
    Hariken said:
    People have said its the rich mans mmo.

    My friend once told me about this game and how I should play it but he said you have to basically purchase everything in game with real life currency. Is this still true?
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    Soon as I saw this line: "there are aspects to Entropia Universe that I think are superior to even more modern games"  I immediately knew this was a completely lame review.

    This is by far the worst game on the market for anyone!.  The worlds biggest game scam!

    How anyone can even think about recommending it has to make you wonder about the reviewer.

    In a game where you have to pay money to grind, that's right, you have to invest money just to grind and your chances of getting anything good are minimal.

    The only thing I associate with this game is the word "Ripoff".

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  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Scot said:
    It was The P2W MMO when it was released, but as MMOs as a genre have become more P2W it no longer stands out as much as it did, just worst of the crop. A herald of the P2W genre we have today, it was slated when it launched, but now after P2W by stealth: early access, loot boxes, cash land grabs, buy a fleet of ships, skin economies and the like it no doubt will not get such severe reviews from the consumers, sorry players of today.
    I do not think that word means what you think it means...

    It can't be pay to win if you have to pay... to play?  o_O   The whole P2W label is grossly overused.  It's typically thrown out either because a developer has dared to charge real money for something cosmetic that someone wanted for free, or because some kid has just learned that everything in life isn't free.  How dare anyone be creative with their revenue model?   Flexibility and innovation ought to be outlawed and everyone should be forced to do a generic subscription model!  Who's with me!?


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  • adderVXIadderVXI Member UncommonPosts: 727

    DEXA88 said:

    If they made a server that dosent force you to pay $ to buy ammo and instead have a monthly sub it would have been way more popular



    Ive always thought this same thing. The world is incredibly large and i want to explore it but the time and money required to be proficient enough to explore it at all is insane. Make a sub server and i would play immediately!
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  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Ozmodan said:
    Soon as I saw this line: "there are aspects to Entropia Universe that I think are superior to even more modern games"  I immediately knew this was a completely lame review.

    This is by far the worst game on the market for anyone!.  The worlds biggest game scam!

    How anyone can even think about recommending it has to make you wonder about the reviewer.

    In a game where you have to pay money to grind, that's right, you have to invest money just to grind and your chances of getting anything good are minimal.

    The only thing I associate with this game is the word "Ripoff".

    Of course, because God forbid anyone have a different opinion from you.  Maybe just give me a list of games you deem worthy of playing?  I'll let everyone who enjoys anything else know that they're wrong and that they need to learn to toe the line.

    Is there a process for getting new games added to your approved list of acceptable projects, or do we just have to wait for you to learn about them on your own and let the rest of us know when a new acceptable method of entertainment has been approved?
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  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    My friend once told me about this game and how I should play it but he said you have to basically purchase everything in game with real life currency. Is this still true?
    Yes and no, though more on the yes side from what I've seen.  You CAN get into the game and do a very grindy thing called "sweating" to collect some stuff that you can sell for in game credits, but it's ultra slow.  You also do start off through the tutorial picking up a few quests that give you ammo and weapons for free.

    That said, I think you tend to spend a lot more than you collect, so you'll run out eventually and need to earn or purchase more credits.  I haven't played the game a ton and can't say for sure, but it looks like you can buy a decent amount of in-game cash each month for about the same as you'd spend on any other game.

    I think most MMOs aim to have players spend an average of $10-20/month.  Obviously, there are a few whales and then the few who pay nothing in the F2P games.   If you look at revenue verses players, most are pretty solidly clumped around that average of $15/month range, though.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    Ozmodan said:
    Soon as I saw this line: "there are aspects to Entropia Universe that I think are superior to even more modern games"  I immediately knew this was a completely lame review.

    This is by far the worst game on the market for anyone!.  The worlds biggest game scam!

    How anyone can even think about recommending it has to make you wonder about the reviewer.

    In a game where you have to pay money to grind, that's right, you have to invest money just to grind and your chances of getting anything good are minimal.

    The only thing I associate with this game is the word "Ripoff".

    Of course, because God forbid anyone have a different opinion from you.  Maybe just give me a list of games you deem worthy of playing?  I'll let everyone who enjoys anything else know that they're wrong and that they need to learn to toe the line.

    Is there a process for getting new games added to your approved list of acceptable projects, or do we just have to wait for you to learn about them on your own and let the rest of us know when a new acceptable method of entertainment has been approved?
    it don't change the fact it is a rich man MMO, if you compare to the games today maybe not much so, but jsut think even if you could get money from playing the game, there is a reason why the game is still up and not closed for lack of money, they make sure its harder to make money then it is to put money, and tell me why I would search for someone to rip me off? if I wanted someone else to have access to my wallet I would find a GF
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,405
    This game is designed from the ground up to part fools and their money.
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  • itchmonitchmon Member RarePosts: 1,999
    A high skilled player in EU playing very economically can play for about 12 bucks a month. The difference is that some months will cost more and some months you'll hit a jackpot and actually be withdrawing instead of depositing.

    Its an odd game in that it costs more at low levels than at high ones.

    Also the game can technically supply you with income passively if you've bought deeds (ask the devs when you meet them, OP).

    There are people who just craft ammo all day because the "jackpot craft results" are epic, but if you do play it that way a. You're missing out on the whole game and B. You are really just doing an online casino.


    I do believe its worth a shot if you haven't played.
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    I have 8 land deeds that net me $10 a month total.

    The game is like a casino, cant be P2W, the more money you bring in, the more you can potentially win or lose.

    The game is actually fantastic to be honest, but the population is centered on 2 planets mainly. The other planets are fantastic but if people arent there to buy your loot, it is not worth it.

    Also, the guy that bought the moon or whatever made bank off of it.
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  • kryntokkryntok Member UncommonPosts: 77
    Can I buy enough ammo to play for am onth...off of $15?
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    kryntok said:
    Can I buy enough ammo to play for am onth...off of $15?
    If you are very disciplined and sell some of the stuff back at higher than the trade terminal.

    But go try the game without putting any money in, finish tutorial and play for a bit. 
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    Okay, i just put together a huge crafting run (for me that is)

    30 cents per click, total of about 500 clicks, so $150 worth for my mining. Most of my in-game currency is tied up in land deeds :)

    But i hope i hit a ton even though, i'm going to lose and it is basically a slot machine with an MMO wrapped around it. 
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  • SpiiderSpiider Member RarePosts: 1,135
    Casino where you do not know the odds. Scam.
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  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680
    Ozmodan said:
    Soon as I saw this line: "there are aspects to Entropia Universe that I think are superior to even more modern games"  I immediately knew this was a completely lame review.

    This is by far the worst game on the market for anyone!.  The worlds biggest game scam!

    How anyone can even think about recommending it has to make you wonder about the reviewer.

    In a game where you have to pay money to grind, that's right, you have to invest money just to grind and your chances of getting anything good are minimal.

    The only thing I associate with this game is the word "Ripoff".

    Yeah, but people are willing to pay for those Star Citizen ships. So why not put this game out there for those whales.
  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680
    foxgirl said:
    I remember reading about some whale that bought a moon or something for a VERY large amount of real money.
    10.000 dollars. And he made it all back.
    Splooshii
  • WoeToTheVanquishedWoeToTheVanquished Member UncommonPosts: 276
    It is the worst of both worlds: P2P2W. Everything you do in Project Entropia (EU) costs money. The activities that don't require money will not fetch you anything of value any time soon: SWEATING MONSTERS. The game literally required you do nothing but steal the sweat from newbie monsters and die repeatedly for pennies per hour. It wasn't even worth cheating at the game because the cost vs fun vs time doesn't equate.

    Even if someone funded your time playing -- by giving you infinite PEDs to purchase everything you want -- the game is still not fun. The fun supposedly comes from the idea that you'll make your "investment" back the longer you spend and play. As someone previously said, it's a casino that isn't provably available.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,100
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  • vegetableoilvegetableoil Member RarePosts: 768

    kryntok said:

    Can I buy enough ammo to play for am onth...off of $15?



    It's not just bullet. equipment degrade, that include your toon clothes and weapons to fix it cost money.
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    It is the worst of both worlds: P2P2W. Everything you do in Project Entropia (EU) costs money. The activities that don't require money will not fetch you anything of value any time soon: SWEATING MONSTERS. The game literally required you do nothing but steal the sweat from newbie monsters and die repeatedly for pennies per hour. It wasn't even worth cheating at the game because the cost vs fun vs time doesn't equate.

    Even if someone funded your time playing -- by giving you infinite PEDs to purchase everything you want -- the game is still not fun. The fun supposedly comes from the idea that you'll make your "investment" back the longer you spend and play. As someone previously said, it's a casino that isn't provably available.
    There is nothing to win at. It's like a casino. 

    A person comes in with $100 vs a person who comes in with $25,000. They both have similar odds of winning and losing. 

    So you buy a bunch of skills . . . so what. You can kill bigger monsters . . . i.e. instead of doing penny slots you can do $5 slots. Still same shit. Do you know who the E is in the PvE portion. It's the fucking casino :). The odds don't change. 

    The main PvP that goes on is in space. When traveling between planets, if you have a lot of shit to transport, then you can just warp. But if you got nothing then just fly and hope you dont' get pkd and if you do no big deal. 

    Check out the game, it is niche, but it isn't a scam as people say. I wouldn't recommend it the same way I wouldn't recommend going to a casino. It has a few nuances different than a casino in that you can sell stuff at markup to other players and you can get a piece of the casino profits by buying deeds. 

    It's an innovative game, one of the few in the MMO genre. 
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