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CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,636
Here is my dilemma, i am playing Subnautica and i like to figure the game out without looking up anything. Ive played for about 48 hours but i swear the last 15 or so hours has me stuck. Ive been searching for ways to progress but have gotten no where.

I dont want to look stuff up, i want to complete the game on my own, but im getting frustrated as ive done jack shit for progression. I know there is one silly thing i forgot or missed and that is why i cant progress probably. But i am fighting with myself not to look it up.

So when do you look shit up? 
- when you get stuck for like 5 mins
- an hour
- a few hours
- several hours
- 10+ hours
- days
- never

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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,233
    I don't mess about. There's too many games to play for me to be stuck in one for hours in one spot. I always ask myself.. is the feeling of accomplishment for doing it on my own going to outweigh the forced frustration I'd be putting on myself? The answer is almost always no.

    If it was a puzzle game or point and click, I'd never look for answers because the whole point is to figure things out yourself, that's why you play it.

    In other games though, if you can get stuck for hours then I consider it a flaw in the game's design; the way it presents, or fails to present, logical conclusions to the player. It's like fixing a bug to me.
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  • moguy1moguy1 Member UncommonPosts: 119
    I would look something up ,if after an hour I cant figure it out. Im not into wasting my time or causing myself frustration.
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Sadly I tend to be stubborn until I just put away the mouse or controller and walk away for a day or two.  I avoid looking stuff up if at all possible.  There are times I think something is bugged and will look it up just to make sure either way so I do not waste my time.  On the whole though, I would say I am my own worst enemy which is why I have never finished a dark souls game.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,179
    edited February 11
    Before playing the game. Dont have the time to get stuck. 

    Time is precious 
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  • WargfootWargfoot Member UncommonPosts: 248
    Back in the '90s a friend and I played "Eye of the Beholder" on the PlayStation.

    We ran through the game, doing an excellent job of finding all the stone artifacts along the way - these stone artifacts acted as keys to advance through the maze. We managed to get to the last level of the maze but for the life of us we could not find the stone gem.  

    We spent a week retracing our steps, taking care to map out the maze and peek into every corner, check for secret doors everywhere, and thoroughly combed the dungeon for the stone gem.

    Finally, after many hours of work we game up.
    I called the 1-900 number tip line and had to pay about $5 for the answer.

    The very first thing the tip line informed us of: "There is NO stone gem".

    GAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!

    It then gave us the totally inexplicable answer to "Throw the orb at the west wall" to open the final room and battle the beholder.  Nowhere in the maze or in anything we found was there a clue to do such a thing.  All of this obviously designed to get us to spend another $5 to call the tip line.
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 5,415
    Like you, I want to figure things out for myself. Since time is not a major factor for me, I feel I have the luxury to take as much as needed.

    That being said, I'll backtrack to double or triple check to see if I can find what I've overlooked. I'll triple and quadruple check any in game "checklists." Depending on the game, if after a couple of hours of turning over every rock I can find I am still stuck, I'll "give up" and search. Then I plant my palm firmly IN my forehead for not seeing some tiny, obscure point that allows me to progress again :)

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  • XanzoXanzo Member UncommonPosts: 96
    I try to figure things out for myself for a while, but if I'm still stuck after 20-30 min, I look it up. Like Kano said, time is precious.
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,936
    Almost never.  Sometimes if I am stuck and there just isnt any next logical step.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,054
    Here is my dilemma, i am playing Subnautica and i like to figure the game out without looking up anything. Ive played for about 48 hours but i swear the last 15 or so hours has me stuck. Ive been searching for ways to progress but have gotten no where.

    I dont want to look stuff up, i want to complete the game on my own, but im getting frustrated as ive done jack shit for progression. I know there is one silly thing i forgot or missed and that is why i cant progress probably. But i am fighting with myself not to look it up.

    So when do you look shit up? 
    - when you get stuck for like 5 mins
    - an hour
    - a few hours
    - several hours
    - 10+ hours
    - days
    - never

    This is something I just dealt with.

    For Zelda, Breath of the wild, "after a bit" just because it's an activity I do with my girlfriend and it's more about having "light fun" than really figuring out where all these shrines are. If we get to a shrine where we have  no idea how to get into it we'll take 20 minutes and then look it up.

    As for me, I usually don't like looking things up. However, I feel I'm getting soft. Probably because many games have indicators that pretty much turn your brain to mush.

    I was playing Praey for the Gods and I came across what should have been a simple puzzle for the boss but I couldn't figure it out.

    It was the giant Dune worm thingy. I did what I thought I had to, it "bowed it's head" and when I targeted it with the hand grappling hook I didn't see a tether point.

    wasn't sure how to get on it until I looked it up after a time and FELT REALLY STUPID. Now, I'm going to adopt the method of, for my own games, not every looking a thing up until I've tried it for a very, very, very long time. Like days.


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  • shetlandslarsenshetlandslarsen Member UncommonPosts: 89
    Depends on the game and which mood i am in atm.
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,265
    It really depends on the type of game. If it's a single player game and there's something in the way of progression, I'll look it up after a while of trying ~30 mins to an hour. If the game is entirely based around puzzles like a point and click adventure or a game like The Witness, then I will try really hard not to look it up as that is the point of the game, to figure out the puzzles. 
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,691
    When it gets to the point of "how was I supposed to know to do that?" 
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    At the point where the developers attempt to balance pacing and clever obscurity challenge breaks down.  Aka, exactly what @Aeander said.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,691
    I'll also do it when there is the very real possibility of missing content.

    Ie: Persona is all about time management, so you damn well bet I'm going to be looking up all the dialogue options that build social links more quickly and save precious, limited ingame days.
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  • dave6660dave6660 Member UncommonPosts: 2,694
    Depends on the point of the game.  In puzzle games I'll try for hours before resorting to looking up the answer.  In any other genre, I'll lookup the answer within minutes of being stuck.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,734
    Being 100% candid, I shamelessly look up the answers to puzzles. Because while I support the idea of puzzles, after a long day's work I am looking more for action not puzzles.
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  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,380
    I killed myself playing the first Zone in Secret World without using any outside help at all, took me over 3 months to finish Kingsmouth alone.  I was proud to have done it, but I never wanted to do it again.  Started looking up spoilers for quests starting the next zone

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  • VelifaxVelifax Member UncommonPosts: 413
    Heavily dependent on the game.

    In Factorio I'll look up the more complicated stuff because I'm not a freaking engineer. 

    But in RPGs I never look anything up ahead of time because the characters wouldn't know how to navigate the dungeon or beat the boss beforehand, and I'm trying to be the characters.

    I spoil WoW at the drop of a hat because I couldn't care less about the story or lore, I'm just there for the twitch action.

    But I play EQ like an RPG, making maps and writing about mobs and zones, not spoiling things.

    In Ark I spoil the dino abilities for myself cause I'm not interested much in the combat, but I ignore story and world spoilers (like where caves are and where metal is etc).
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,734
    edited February 12
    And while we are on the subject of puzzles, there are mental ones and then there are also jumping/climbing (that sort of thing) ones. I very much dislike jumping puzzles, because I suck at them. I have fallen hundreds of times trying to complete certain jumping puzzles. Hell will be a jumping puzzle. 
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    So when do you look shit up? 
    - when you get stuck for like 5 mins
    - an hour
    - a few hours
    - several hours
    - 10+ hours
    - days
    - never

    The split-second anything stumps me or I notice that my progress seems stonewalled. I will check to see what mistakes I am making and how to correct them.

    The stipulation to this, is I have a limit on how much time I am going to invest into looking up the answers or checking out guides and walk troughs and the like, if it feels like I am doing that more than playing and figuring out the game itself, that's my sign that this might not be right game for me.

    But you gotta do what you enjoy. What works for me, is not what works for everyone.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member RarePosts: 2,774
    I take teh measurement of my time spend and my tries, if every try I did fail and I can't pin point a exit, I will look up, so many times I find the thing I was trying to do was impossible because of a bug
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  • BossChonoBossChono Member UncommonPosts: 23
    When I can't grasp certain mechanic explanations in game.  For example the first time I got a legendary item in lotro.  Made no sense to me.  Or if I get really stuck or lost (Zelda Majora's Mask comes to mind, along with most Final Fantasy games).  Or if I have beaten a game but missed a lot (Mario Odyssey is a good recent example).
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,871
        I will take Days , i really like to figure this stuff out on my own , much more satisfying when you do ..

      Ive had many nites when im laying down and ill think about the problem and be running everything thru my head , and come up with different ways of approaching the problem and solve them most times...

      When you start looking stuff up you are not even playing the game imo , someone else played the game for you ..
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,871
    Depends on the game. If its a game like Resident Evil 2 I won't look up a guide. The point of the game is exploration and figuring things out yourself. However, if I have been trying to fight a boss for a half an hour and no matter what I do I can't figure it out than I will look up a guide. I had to that once in Divinty: Original Sin. 

    For the most part I don't look up to many guides and I am proud of that. My wife has always had my back to and is like my cheerleader when I play games. She gets disappointed if I throw in the towel and look up a guide. She likes trying to figure it out with me. I also usually play 3 video games at once. One on the Switch, one on the Xbox, and a MMO on the PC so if I get frustrated I go to another game and come back to it after some time.
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  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 3,636
    edited February 13
    - about an hour or two, depending.

    I used to subscribe to Nintendo Power back in the day, so I definitely need the help often, lol. I love to mess w games and usually try to figure stuff out myself, but I’m no fan wild goose chases. Time is too precious and too many games to play, as others have said already. I’d rather finish a game than agonize over a puzzle or missing quest item.

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