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• Darksworm Member RarePosts: 990

  February 1

  Gameplay Capture to a platter drive while playing a game that streams textures is a recipe for destroying your gameplay (hope it isn't a PvP game). You basically need another HDD to write the captures to, that isn't holding your games, if you're going to go that route... or just put everything on an SSD...
  
  These are not a solution to any problem, except raw capacity. Those speeds are theoretical and simply don't happen in the real world... These 4K games have huge textures and your load times are going to be laughable with a latter drive - like a console game. I recommend just uninstalling the games you aren't playing at the time and loading them up only when needed. Upgrade your internet connection. Use a SATA3 SSD for game storage.
  
  I tried the "big desktop hard drive"/laptop SSHD route. It doesn't work well. It feels awful.

  
• Quizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,258

  February 1

  These aren't even much of a solution to raw capacity, unless you also need high density. One 12 TB hard drive costs a lot more than three 4 TB hard drives. If your storage needs are most naturally measured in petabytes, so that going with a bunch of 4 TB hard drives means that you need three times as many servers to hold them as if you buy 12 TB hard drives, then something like this makes a ton of sense. For consumer use, not so much.

  
• Teala Member RarePosts: 7,627

  February 1

  Great HD for setting up an NAS. Just one of these HD's could store upwards of 3000+ movies in 1080p format, and 10's of thousands of hours of music. Add two and you could have a home based server for hosting games like Conan Exile.
• DMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,646

  February 1

  Teala said:

  Great HD for setting up an NAS. Just one of these HD's could store upwards of 3000+ movies in 1080p format, and 10's of thousands of hours of music. Add two and you could have a home based server for hosting games like Conan Exile.

  
  The thing is - with how prevalent streaming is - there is literally no reason to store 3000+ movies locally - again just my 2c.
  
  High bandwidth lines enable high bit streams without any issues.
  
  Coupled with cloud storage - there is very little reason to keep local file storage other than for backup/disaster recovery purposes in case online storage is down.
  
  Again - I just see massive local storage being obsolete in most cases.

  
• Quizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,258

  February 2

  Darksworm said:

  I tried the "big desktop hard drive"/laptop SSHD route. It doesn't work well. It feels awful.

  If you genuinely mean SSHD, then that's just pairing one hard drive with another hard drive.  Neither is substantially similar to an SSD.  Yes, the SSHD has a little bit of NAND, but an ordinary hard drive has a little bit of DRAM, and that doesn't make it perform like a ramdisk.
  
  If that was a typo and you had an actual SSD paired with the hard drive, then that's totally different.  In that case, anything you had on the SSD should have felt fine.  Only programs run off of the hard drive would be sluggish.
• miawan Member UncommonPosts: 22

  February 2

  With connection speeds rapidly increasing, soon people will just use a remote cloud drive with unlimited storage/ automatic backups making these sort of drives useless.
• Quizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,258

  February 2 edited February 2

  miawan said:

  With connection speeds rapidly increasing, soon people will just use a remote cloud drive with unlimited storage/ automatic backups making these sort of drives useless.

  But what if the hard drive where your data is stored in the cloud is one of these?  Or three of them as part of a RAID 6 array.

  
• DarkHigh Member UncommonPosts: 149

  February 2

  
  

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  With connection speeds rapidly increasing, soon people will just use a remote cloud drive with unlimited storage/ automatic backups making these sort of drives useless.

  
  

  
  But what if the hard drive where your data is stored in the cloud is one of these?  Or three of them as part of a RAID 6 array.

  
  

  
  
  I disagree with a lot of what you are saying but this one made me laugh. Double parity with 3 drives lol
• Vrika Member EpicPosts: 5,924

  February 2

  Quizzical said:

  miawan said:

  With connection speeds rapidly increasing, soon people will just use a remote cloud drive with unlimited storage/ automatic backups making these sort of drives useless.

  But what if the hard drive where your data is stored in the cloud is one of these?  Or three of them as part of a RAID 6 array.

  Then the drives are useless to me since I'm getting my data storage from the cloud.
  
  I'm not really that interested on whether people running the clouds need them or not.

   
• Quizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,258

  February 2

  DarkHigh said:

  
  

  Quizzical said:

  
  

  
  

  miawan said:

  
  

  With connection speeds rapidly increasing, soon people will just use a remote cloud drive with unlimited storage/ automatic backups making these sort of drives useless.

  
  

  
  But what if the hard drive where your data is stored in the cloud is one of these?  Or three of them as part of a RAID 6 array.

  
  

  
  
  I disagree with a lot of what you are saying but this one made me laugh. Double parity with 3 drives lol

  What I meant was something like a server with 15 hard drives, each of which are 12 TB, in RAID 6, for 156 TB of storage in total.
  
  The cloud has to have some sort of backup or redundancy, or else the data that you put there would sometimes disappear.
• Grunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657

  February 3 edited February 3

  miawan said:

  With connection speeds rapidly increasing, soon people will just use a remote cloud drive with unlimited storage/ automatic backups making these sort of drives useless.

  A few months ago I would have been essentially without a computer in that scenario.  Not because of the loss of my data on a cloud server somewhere but because there was a fire at a major internet distribution point owned by my ISP.  It knocked out DSL service for about three days in a significant part on Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas.  I'd rather have my admittedly inconsequential data on my local storage than in someone else's control.

  

  "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
• Vrika Member EpicPosts: 5,924

  February 3 edited February 3

  Grunty said:

  miawan said:

  With connection speeds rapidly increasing, soon people will just use a remote cloud drive with unlimited storage/ automatic backups making these sort of drives useless.

  A few months ago I would have been essentially without a computer in that scenario.  Not because of the loss of my data on a cloud server somewhere but because there was a fire at a major internet distribution point owned by my ISP.  It knocked out DSL service for about three days in a significant part on Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas.  I'd rather have my admittedly inconsequential data on my local storage than in someone else's control.

  Mobile internet is solving that problem.
  
  I had a my broadband cut off for 4 days due to maintenance about 2 years ago and needed another solution. A pre-paid SIM card with unlimited bandwidth for a week cost 5€ and offered about 10 mbps.

   
• foppotee Member UncommonPosts: 193

  February 3

  One could place whole libraries on such hard drives lol.
• dave6660 Member UncommonPosts: 2,699

  February 3

  DMKano said:

  Teala said:

  Great HD for setting up an NAS. Just one of these HD's could store upwards of 3000+ movies in 1080p format, and 10's of thousands of hours of music. Add two and you could have a home based server for hosting games like Conan Exile.

  
  The thing is - with how prevalent streaming is - there is literally no reason to store 3000+ movies locally - again just my 2c.
  
  High bandwidth lines enable high bit streams without any issues.
  
  Coupled with cloud storage - there is very little reason to keep local file storage other than for backup/disaster recovery purposes in case online storage is down.
  
  Again - I just see massive local storage being obsolete in most cases.

  But the minute you cancel your subscription to your streaming service or your internet connection dies, you have 0 movies.  But I'm old fashion that way, when I buy something I like to have it in my possession.
  

  

  “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
  -- Herman Melville
• Ginaz Member RarePosts: 2,209

  February 4

  I can't this being a viable consumer product. Most people will do more than fine with a 500GB SSD and 2-4TB HD. This seems like something that might be targeted towards business or some kind of specialized tech purpose.

  Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

  Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
• Quizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,258

  February 4

  Ginaz said:

  I can't this being a viable consumer product. Most people will do more than fine with a 500GB SSD and 2-4TB HD. This seems like something that might be targeted towards business or some kind of specialized tech purpose.

  Just because they built it for data centers or other enterprise use doesn't mean that they can't offer it to consumers, too.  On New Egg, there are 4 TB hard drives with thousands of reviews.  The only way that any 12 TB or larger hard drive got to even 10 reviews is by sharing reviews with other drives of smaller capacities.
• DMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,646

  February 4

  dave6660 said:

  DMKano said:

  Teala said:

  Great HD for setting up an NAS. Just one of these HD's could store upwards of 3000+ movies in 1080p format, and 10's of thousands of hours of music. Add two and you could have a home based server for hosting games like Conan Exile.

  
  The thing is - with how prevalent streaming is - there is literally no reason to store 3000+ movies locally - again just my 2c.
  
  High bandwidth lines enable high bit streams without any issues.
  
  Coupled with cloud storage - there is very little reason to keep local file storage other than for backup/disaster recovery purposes in case online storage is down.
  
  Again - I just see massive local storage being obsolete in most cases.

  But the minute you cancel your subscription to your streaming service or your internet connection dies, you have 0 movies.  But I'm old fashion that way, when I buy something I like to have it in my possession.
  

  
  My internet connection hasn't died in 3 years - I have 2 providers and a router with 2 wan connections. 
  
  So my uptime is solid. I have no plans to cancel my subscription to online services ever. 
  
  But i do have a collection of Blue ray discs just in case - haven't needed to use them in over 5 years but that's my "in case both ISPs are down"

  
• MisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584

  February 4

  DMKano said:

  dave6660 said:

  DMKano said:

  Teala said:

  Great HD for setting up an NAS. Just one of these HD's could store upwards of 3000+ movies in 1080p format, and 10's of thousands of hours of music. Add two and you could have a home based server for hosting games like Conan Exile.

  
  The thing is - with how prevalent streaming is - there is literally no reason to store 3000+ movies locally - again just my 2c.
  
  High bandwidth lines enable high bit streams without any issues.
  
  Coupled with cloud storage - there is very little reason to keep local file storage other than for backup/disaster recovery purposes in case online storage is down.
  
  Again - I just see massive local storage being obsolete in most cases.

  But the minute you cancel your subscription to your streaming service or your internet connection dies, you have 0 movies.  But I'm old fashion that way, when I buy something I like to have it in my possession.
  

  
  My internet connection hasn't died in 3 years - I have 2 providers and a router with 2 wan connections. 
  
  So my uptime is solid. I have no plans to cancel my subscription to online services ever. 
  
  But i do have a collection of Blue ray discs just in case - haven't needed to use them in over 5 years but that's my "in case both ISPs are down"

  Well that's cool and all but I hardly think you'd classify your set up as the norm for most people. 

  

  "You have kept me at your beck and call for fifteen years. I shall never again do what you demand of me. By every rule of single combat, from this moment your life belongs to me. Is that not correct? Then I shall simply declare you dead. In all of your dealings with me, you'll do me the courtesy to conduct yourself as a dead man. I have submitted to your notions of honor long enough. You will now submit to mine."