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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Quizzical said:
    What led to this article? It sounds like you posted something, got blasted for it in the comments (because that's what happens when you post things on the Internet), and are now all defensive about it.
    Quiz this is about the article he wrote on CoE a couple weeks back being critical and the head guy there basically taking his ball and going home.
  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    Quizzical said:
    What led to this article? It sounds like you posted something, got blasted for it in the comments (because that's what happens when you post things on the Internet), and are now all defensive about it.
    MassivelyOP posted a similar article, awarding CoE the "MMO with the stormiest future" award.

    Caspian threw a tantrum and banished both sites from his kingdom.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,003
    Lokero said:
    Quizzical said:
    What led to this article? It sounds like you posted something, got blasted for it in the comments (because that's what happens when you post things on the Internet), and are now all defensive about it.
    MassivelyOP posted a similar article, awarding CoE the "MMO with the stormiest future" award.

    Caspian threw a tantrum and banished both sites from his kingdom.
    If this whole article is in response to one developer not liking one article that you wrote, then you need a thicker skin.  I hope that's not the case.
  • ScellowScellow Member RarePosts: 395
    i always knew this website was corrupted
    parrotpholk
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,283
    Scellow said:
    i always knew this website was corrupted
    You're aware this whole issue proves that they are completely the opposite, right?
    parrotpholk
    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,570
    edited January 31
    I really like this website despite not always agreeing with opinion pieces and seeing occasional erroneous information. You guys generally make up for it with ethical games journalism and not talking about political / sjw (*cough* Massively *cough*) / anti-sjw agendas, ect. I respect that a lot and it is why I have been here for over a decade. We might have an incredibly cynical community, but it is one of the best out there if you ask me.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,228
    Pffft....

    Much ado about nothing.

    Chronicles of Elyria... yeah big whoop
    EponyxDamorAeanderPhryHatefullNyctelios
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 9,783
    Some games reviewed in beta, some weeks after release, some the next day. I will never forget Bill saying “if they are charging they are released”, then proceeding to review my beloved Wushu.

    I remember being banned weekly it seemed when I was basing the hell out of GW2. Talking about their gambling boxes, gold for in game currency and such.

    What I’m getting at is no matter how you slice it money seems to influence how a mmorpg is handled. If a certain person, who bashed the hell out of a certain game this author’s artical is addressing, did the same to GW2 while it was being developed, that certain person would have been perma banned by the powers that be.

    I still love the site, but I’ve been around far to long, read far to many post, been banned far to many times to be told “money has nothing to do with coverage”.
  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 622
    There is a difference between having a bias and pushing an agenda. both the editors and readers of this site all have some type of bias. This is fine.....your allowed to like/dislike things more then other things. The problem is when people start pushing their agenda on other people. The media as a whole has this issue. BUT.....

    Id say this site has actually improved a lot over the years and is acceptable in its presentation.
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,283
    bcbully said:
    Some games reviewed in beta, some weeks after release, some the next day. I will never forget Bill saying “if they are charging they are released”, then proceeding to review my beloved Wushu.

    I remember being banned weekly it seemed when I was basing the hell out of GW2. Talking about their gambling boxes, gold for in game currency and such.

    What I’m getting at is no matter how you slice it money seems to influence how a mmorpg is handled. If a certain person, who bashed the hell out of a certain game this author’s artical is addressing, did the same to GW2 while it was being developed, that certain person would have been perma banned by the powers that be.

    I still love the site, but I’ve been around far to long, read far to many post, been banned far to many times to be told “money has nothing to do with coverage”.
    More than likely you were banned because of the way you were talking to other posters when you were bashing GW2.

    I'm one of the oldest members of this site (that still uses it), I've been using this site longer than the people that now run it and I've seen it all too. I even have a warning on my profile right now.

    From everything I've seen others get banned for and the things I was banned for in the past.. I can say without a doubt that it wasn't because of what they were saying, it was the way they were saying it. You included.
    MadFrenchieTindale111
    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Quizzical said:
    Lokero said:
    Quizzical said:
    What led to this article? It sounds like you posted something, got blasted for it in the comments (because that's what happens when you post things on the Internet), and are now all defensive about it.
    MassivelyOP posted a similar article, awarding CoE the "MMO with the stormiest future" award.

    Caspian threw a tantrum and banished both sites from his kingdom.
    If this whole article is in response to one developer not liking one article that you wrote, then you need a thicker skin.  I hope that's not the case.
    You've been around long enough and often enough to know Tim's articles are pretty much always a stream of his personal consciousness.  Many of his articles build off of one another, and this one is no different.

    I don't think Tim was sitting around all week trying to figure out how to redeem himself in the eyes of Caspian like this:

    Cigarette Smoking GIF
    TimEisen

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  • osteolyticosteolytic Member UncommonPosts: 3
    i've been visiting this site on a daily-weekly basis since 2004 hype for WoW vs EQ2.

    i don't post much. don't care to. i come here to read, but this article prompted me to show my support.

    please keep doing what u r doing.
    please keep the topics to games.
    please continue to keep political activism out of your articles.

    don't pander to the few who will attempt to drag people into political arguments. in today's world of social media, somehow screaming comments or sharing thoughts about anything and everything has been confused with virtue.

    please steer clear of the bandwagon of hate that makes laps around the internet.

    i applaud you for stating facts and not just unknowingly spewing biased opinion.

    in the end, avoiding these traps will keep the community much more united and on topic than caving to a deranged sense of virtue.
    NorseGod
  • LeCreauxLeCreaux Member CommonPosts: 6
    I don't really understand what this article is all about and that's a consistent problem with too many articles. I want to like this site but I've just read too many amateurish articles. Over time I've come to the conclusion that many are written by gamers who really do want to be writers, and I can appreciate that. I don't know if I'd go so far as calling it "sponsored", although that is what I'm told by my trusted gaming friends. If it's not sponsored, it does often read like it is. Or at least there's too many literacy problems in the writing to call it consistently professional.
  • DarkHighDarkHigh Member UncommonPosts: 145
    CoE has done nothing but make promises. I don't think that game will ever be "good"
  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293
    Amathe said:
    SBFord said:

    In the meantime, we'll just keep doing what we do with our integrity intact.
    I think this site should have a cash shop, with tin foil hats being the first item. And oh, I was paid to say that. Maaaaaaaaaabe .....


    This guy get$ it. 
    Torval
    I used to role-play a Warrior Priest now I role-play a writer.
  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,716
    Pretty sure it was a minority that thought this, I would not have bothered giving them the time. This has been my favorite site since you stopped the Nazi-style moderating ;)
    Make MMORPG's Great Again!
  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,596
    Bananable said:
    Robsolf said:
    I think the problem lies in the fact that some people are too self involved to understand: a reviewer can like or dislike a game more than the reader does, and that that can absolutely occur without any conspiratorial agenda.

    It should go without saying, but these days, it clearly doesn't.

    I think the proble is that public people opinions should be objective, not personal, like when you discuss it with your friends.

    Overwatch is pissing me off, because stipd PR put it to my face all the time. Or LoL I heard about it, but never planned to play it. So it  just existed somewhere out there and afaik it has huge playerbase. But now those stupid glamorous girls pictures are everywhere... sigh.

    They want to attract more people to their niche games, so its not surprising that they get so much negative. What am i suppose to say if i dont like it? Especially after they promsed super mega awesome game. look everygame is rpg now...for some reason.


    P.S. https://store.steampowered.com/app/743860/Wild_West_Online/


    "conspiratorial agenda"
    LOLZ
    Yeah, the reviewers/critics (people that get games for free and dont play games in their free time) tell me to buy new ALPHA version of something that is still unfinished and gonna be in developement for years. And expect me to say good things about it. Really? Theres no game, NOTHING at the moment to buy or even comment.
    Not to mention that YTbers/streamers even MAKE BIG money on KIDS (that also have to buy games) just playing these games. (they dont even bother do to walkthroughs anymore..it take too much time...and its so booring - best advertisement ever!)
    And please dont tell me that devs dont have agreement with hardware companies.

    Artifact? Really? PAID card game when all other companies made f2p versions years ago? When  kids crazy with BR...they release it now? And whole game is about make money on people selling those cards for REAL money on market, like they do with CSGO and Dota.

    EVOLUTION! TECHNOLOGIES!






    It really feels like they do outsourcing. They leave developement to the students while designers go on vacation or somth.
    really not sure what you're trying to say, here.

    Ron Paul 2008?

    Here's a conspiracy: it looks like Cecily Strong is trolling me:


    Torvalbartoni33
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,465
    edited January 31
    Well there are REAL people and then there are shills/lackeys/kiss ass/partners etc etc.

    The term "professionalism" has always bothered me,it is like an EXCUSE to avoid the very integrity talked about.

    'Bias" another concern is one which can be avoided by just that,avoiding the real truths behind a game and the studio.So all you do then is talk about everything positive,what can help the studio make sales a business approach but NOT a writer or a game reviewer approach.
    If professionalism means "pick and choose your words wisely" it is a FAKE approach,you are not being a real person who would talk to readers like you would your friend.

    EVERYTHING ...ALWAYS looks like a business approach and NEVER like a gaming site or an honest game review site.

    You know why some readers like myself have to point out the negatives so much?Well because we need BALANCE,we already gets tons of positive endorsement/advertising from MANY angles ,way more angles than negative could ever keep up with.
    You tubers,streamers,partnering with websites,sponsored in several media facets,professional game reviewers,Reddit,Twitter,marketing videos,banner ads on non related sites,Twitch,fanbois,it is endless how much advertising a game gets.

    So i mention it often,if you choose the "fake" professionalism approach you are NEVER going to be an honest person and treat readers with disrespect.The bottom line is this will be the approach of everyone tied to gaming that is earning their living from games,they will never be forthright and honest with onlookers.BTW i already touched on it "avoiding OR dancing around it carefully"important information is part of NOT being honest.
    Gdemamibartoni33

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • shetlandslarsenshetlandslarsen Member UncommonPosts: 89
    This is a good site. Keep up the good work. 
    Robsolf
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,189

    Roman291 said:

    I've reading articles on here since I got into MMORPGs before I joined the site in 2006. I will probably never lose trust in this site. Even if i don't agree with a columnist, because I always loved the site's honesty, and integrity. And honestly, i trust this site the most with all my gaming news.



    I have been on this site since 2004. It has gotten progressively better over the years and has become the only site I trust to give information that can be used. I have, over the years, had issue with certain members of this site, but the site and staff are doing a great job overall.

    Keep up the good work.
    bartoni33

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,050
    Got permabannedon 4 accounts, especially while i was critical to overhyped GW2. I was banned for 1/2 year, for 1year and also permabanned. Now i got warnings on this account, wich i fully accept. Back in 2004-2010, the era of endless influx of mmos, you guys were swimming in cash- hence you banned and deleted every critical comment because those ggames filled your bellys with cash till you exploded. I remember how you bought that forum for 2mil and it backlashed. Now banns and comments dont get deleted as often because you cant be corrupt as much anymore. There are not enough mmos to fill your bellys with cash, hence you had to lose your identity and started to show up other genres too, translating into a common games site, wich almost destroyed your usp. You can say you try hard to remain your high standard, but you cant say you write your news without a cash tag behind, even if its not promoted as such. Thereis a circlejerk of news that still keep coming: guild wars 2 and WoW, top 10, best 10, etc. just hat those games remain in the head of us.now you are starting to add mobile mmos, wich is fine by me. The world keeps on moving and you have to catch up. There isnt a single ddecent mobile rpg review site, maybe this is anotger chance to bring that young adhs audience to you.
    GdemamigoozmaniaAeander
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,102
    What's this really about?
    NorseGod
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    I find the writers on this site are gamers first, journalists second. My impression is that when Susie and others are excited about a new game. It's almost always because they personally love what they are playing. This is their interest and hobby outside of this site. I imagine they could make a lot more $ writing on different sites hosting different subjects. They choose to write here instead. They love gaming like most of us. When I read about games on sites like Forbes etc. I don't get the feeling they actually care about the games. Just writing about something popular in the genre.  

    My take is this. When you watch Conan's "Clueless Gamer", most reviewer sites remind me of Conan. While the staff here reminds me of his co-star Aaron. They legitimately love what they do. They play these games at home even after the review is finished. I know the reviews have integrity.

    https://youtu.be/SfjLRuE1CLw

    TorvalMadFrenchie
  • RnjypsyRnjypsy Member UncommonPosts: 63

    Aeander said:





    Bloodaxes said:


    This must have something to do with that developer who didn't like what people said about his game and won't cover news here any more.

    With that said, while I understand the notion of this story, there are times that it seems like it. The "issue" for me at least, is when opinions are clearly evident in the narrative despite the issues are real. I don't know about you, but when certain articles are written (Obviously not all types mainly talking about reviews or when addressing blatant issues widely known), and problems are glossed over simply because the writer enjoys the game it's not going to bode well.

    I've been on this site for years now, and I understand how it had to evolve to keep relevant since mmos are a dying breed (sadly). That however shouldn't affect the way reviews are conducted. They should be impartial, and your opinion should NOT be the main factor of the article.

    All I have to say. Take it however you like it.






    Ironically, the situation that created this article came from directly the opposite: Tim was fairly straightforward in criticizing the actions of a crowdfunded MMORPG company, and that's what resulted in company "taking their ball and going home" (yes, the company was literally as petty about it as that sounds).


    Ah, so that's what this was about. Chronicles of Elyria.

    No big loss there. This site is more relevant than that game will ever be.



    I pretty much agree with this. In addition I think they will be taking the balls of all their kickstarter donators and now whale financers with them too ....just sayin'.
  • ScellowScellow Member RarePosts: 395
    nice, you start to remove comments too ;)

    "I always knew this website was corrupted"
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