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  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 413
    crankked said:

    It's not just the spyware stuff, it's the layout of WIN 10 that bothers me as well. They changed all the settings and now it seems like it's designed for stupid people who don't know how to change settings properly. I feel like they didn't want to take as many customer service calls, so they just dumbed it down. As a person who is able to make said changes without problem, that irritates me a lot.
    That really hacked me off, too.  Still does, along with the fact that they have something like three different branches of the code base right now and each works a little differently.

    There's no doubt that Win10 hasn't really lived up to the typical MS development pattern.  98 good, ME trash, 7 good, 8 trash, 10...  well, not exactly good.  =)

    One of those head-scratching things I complain about is the way they load your start menu.  They fill it with trash to start with and don't over you a way to easily clear it all at once.
  • Dick1232Dick1232 Member UncommonPosts: 54
    SOT is awesome, and will stay awesome
  • kryntokkryntok Member UncommonPosts: 59




    I guess the better question is: should it take independent consumer research merely to prevent the automatic harvesting of data from the user in this way?

    My opinion is no.  If every electronic app or product required such research, no one would have time to do anything but that to keep their information secure.


    I'm not sure how you'd do that.  Someone would have to pay for it, and you don't want the software developer paying for it themselves.

    On top of that, there's the big question of revenue.  If you're not paying for the product, it's because you are the product (to borrow an old phrase).  There's a reason Win10 is free, just like Google, Facebook, Youtube, and all the other free stuff out there.  You're either being advertised to, or your data is being collected and sold.

    Personally, I don't really object to my data being collected and sold, but I do demand that it be anonymized.  I think THAT is where we should focus effort and be able to have some successes.  Saying a guy in San Antonio is interested in a rack-mount UPS is fine.  Saying Red Thomas at a specific address just bought a specific UPS...  That's pushing it too far.

    I think if we could define what level of detail constitutes privacy and then just have inspections to ensure more granular data isn't being collected, then companies could still develop and use those cool free tools we all love, and our privacy would still be protected.

    In the case of Win10, the data they collected was actually all about security.  They wanted to make sure you kept your system up to date and they wanted to use their systems to track the flow of malicious activity.  Noble idea, just didn't really consider the privacy concerns that would generate.



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  • AlmostLancelotAlmostLancelot Member UncommonPosts: 125
    edited January 5
    Mikeha said:
    3th most watched game on Twitch with only Fortnite and League Of Legends ahead of it. 
    Sea Of Thieves is ahead of games like Rainbow Six, Counter Strike, DOTA, Call Of Duty, PUBG, Overwatch and World Of Warcraft. 


    Prove these haters wrong Rare! ;)  







    Which is thanks to Summit, entirely.

    Summit1g, for those who might not be familiar, has been a top name on Twitch right from the point that they purchased JustinTV and transformed it into the Twitch brand. He has a large audience, is the 5th most subscribed to channel on Twitch and has been playing SoT hardcore for the last three to four weeks garnering massive popularity to the title.

    Also, whoever mentioned CSGO (Hashbrick iirc), it hasn't been on top in ages and the player break has no relevance in that regard. Not sure when the last time you watched Twitch was, but your information is dreadfully out of date and entirely inaccurate.

    CSGO was 7th in terms of number of hours viewed for October 2018 across the entire platform. Falling behind the likes of Fortnite, LoL, Black Ops 4, DOTA2 and even WoW. Hell, even Just Chatting received more viewership than CGSO did. That trend has been fairly consistent throughout the year.

    Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/507786/leading-game-content-twitch-by-number-hours-viewed/

    League has always been on top and the only game to ever push them into the second spot has been Fortnite.

    CS is, and has only ever been, popular when LANs or other events are being broadcast. Primarily on ESL or ESEAs channels.


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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,275
    Torval said:
    The resistance to software upgrades baffles me. Most companies charge hundreds of dollars for major version upgrades. Windows licensing has effectively gotten a bit cheaper and more consistent and more robust if you consider how they can be tied to your account. Given the choice I'll use Win 10 of 7 any day, if I have to us a Windows desktop.

    I don't use Windows anymore and don't even think about using it anymore except as that workstation I remote into for work. Almost anything I could want to play is on my PS4 and if not I could get an XBox or Switch. About 80% of my Steam library works well on Ubuntu as it is. All of the games I truly care about (replay) work great so, for me, PC gaming is fine not on Windows. My file I/O is massively better that's for certain. SteamPlay and Proton rock.

    It's nice not even having to think about that much anymore. If I don't like the defaults coming in 19.04 (which I do) then I can run what I want, or change distros with very little effort. It's a completely different way of thinking that is incredibly liberating beyond the price tag (which I don't really care about).

    oops. sorry i got so OT.
    As a once-upon-a-time sysad, I have more than my share of upgrade horror stories.   There are a ton of reasons why folks resist.  I hated them because so many were brittle and could (and pretty often did) take systems down. 

    The other issue is that upgrades often change the way things work, so that breaks your workflow and can be really frustrating.  Elasticsearch changed the way documents were labeled between versions 5 and 6, and that completely busted some of the tricks I was using in my logstash ingests for processing some types of cyber data.

    I think the Win10 resistance is the most legitimate of all reasons, though.  MS definitely included some really dirty stuff in Win10 that it's totally fair to be upset about.  I delayed the upgrade myself while trying to figure out how to deal with it.

    All that said, upgrades are important and everyone should be doing them.  WannaCry has been the absolute prime example of why you have to stay updated, and it's just the best example.  MS and other devs fix tons of vulns every minute and not patching just leaves you out there waiting to get pwned.

    ...and btw...   Security is ALWAYS on topic.  =P
    I tried upgrading my Sager laptop from Win 7 to 10 when they first offered it.

    My sound card ceased working and I started getting BSODs while trying to work through the issues.

    Was far easier to just roll back to 7 and never look back.

    I contacted Sager for help who said it was likely due to poor driver support and they said my laptop only was certified for Win 7, and  8, for Win 10 I was on my own.

    I'll likely buy a new laptop this year with Win 10 on it and solve the problem.

    Doesn't matter now, getting ready to go back in time with the rising of the Phoenix.

    ;)

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,734
    edited January 6
    Rhoklaw said:
    First mistake... Windows 10. Yes, I have Windows 10, but I won't support exclusive platform games. Just ask Rock Star if I bought Red Dead Redemption 2 or if I bought another Windows 10 exclusive State of Decay 2. I understand console or PC only games, but when you start doing crap like operating system exclusive, something tells me you think too much of yourself.
    I agree with this. Same reason I don't buy EA games on PC with their Origin exclusivity. At least Ubisoft sells their games on Steam although they require Uplay.

    Software based exclusivity on the same platform is ridiculous.

    EDIT: as for RDR2, i'm sure when it releases on PC it wont be tied to a single DRM store, i hope.

    EDIT2: I don't see the W10 requirement as a problem, but i do see w10 Store exclusivity as a big problem.




  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 413
    Kyleran said:
    I tried upgrading my Sager laptop from Win 7 to 10 when they first offered it.

    My sound card ceased working and I started getting BSODs while trying to work through the issues.

    Was far easier to just roll back to 7 and never look back.

    I contacted Sager for help who said it was likely due to poor driver support and they said my laptop only was certified for Win 7, and  8, for Win 10 I was on my own.

    I'll likely buy a new laptop this year with Win 10 on it and solve the problem.

    Doesn't matter now, getting ready to go back in time with the rising of the Phoenix.

    ;)
    I blame card vendors for that kind of thing.  Not the early BSODs.  That's prob windows, but the driver issues is just dumb.  If you had drivers for 8, you should have had drivers for 10.  I'm not a winkernel dude, but I've been told that sound drivers in the two OSs was very very similar.
    Torval
  • besteverbestever Member UncommonPosts: 879

    Rhoklaw said:


    Viper482 said:



    Rhoklaw said:


    First mistake... Windows 10. Yes, I have Windows 10, but I won't support exclusive platform games. Just ask Rock Star if I bought Red Dead Redemption 2 or if I bought another Windows 10 exclusive State of Decay 2. I understand console or PC only games, but when you start doing crap like operating system exclusive, something tells me you think too much of yourself.






    Time out....am I reading this correctly? Are you implying the game is not doing well because it is PC only? And you are actually boycotting a PC only game calling it a......"operating system exclusive"?



    I'm too shocked really to completely spit my water out on my keyboard laughing at this. And to top it off...you call yourself a PC Gamer only.

    Please tell me if I got this wrong because if I don't.....holy hell. Reeeeaaaalllly?


    No, actually you would be incorrect. I said Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 are Windows 10 exclusive games on the PC. It wasn't until just recently that Windows 10 outpaced Windows 7 in overall usage. It's stuff like this where Windows tries to coerce people into upgrades they don't want. I also said I have Windows 10 on my laptop, but I still chose not to purchase it.



    Don't see the issue here. Microsoft is building a platform and not just a operating system. Why keep updating a OS that isn't going to be supported after 2020? Why waste the time and money to support windows 7 with features that are in the new OS/platform? If people choose not to switch then that's on them.

    The funny part is you're not supporting the most consumer friendly service any company has offered us. Its a play anywhere title and that also counts for xbox gamepass. $9.99 a month gets you every new game Xbox makes on both systems and PC doesn't need to pay for Xbox live, hopefully they make that change for console at some point but probably not. Now if you complained about the Microsoft store I would agree it needs a bunch of love. If you're going to let a 10 year old OS hold you back from playing some games that's just silly but hey each to their own.

    The one thing that bugs me the most is how they don't let have amount of settings to tweak like games on steam. They do lock them down more then I like that's for sure.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 18,707
    Kyleran said:
    Torval said:
    The resistance to software upgrades baffles me. Most companies charge hundreds of dollars for major version upgrades. Windows licensing has effectively gotten a bit cheaper and more consistent and more robust if you consider how they can be tied to your account. Given the choice I'll use Win 10 of 7 any day, if I have to us a Windows desktop.

    I don't use Windows anymore and don't even think about using it anymore except as that workstation I remote into for work. Almost anything I could want to play is on my PS4 and if not I could get an XBox or Switch. About 80% of my Steam library works well on Ubuntu as it is. All of the games I truly care about (replay) work great so, for me, PC gaming is fine not on Windows. My file I/O is massively better that's for certain. SteamPlay and Proton rock.

    It's nice not even having to think about that much anymore. If I don't like the defaults coming in 19.04 (which I do) then I can run what I want, or change distros with very little effort. It's a completely different way of thinking that is incredibly liberating beyond the price tag (which I don't really care about).

    oops. sorry i got so OT.
    As a once-upon-a-time sysad, I have more than my share of upgrade horror stories.   There are a ton of reasons why folks resist.  I hated them because so many were brittle and could (and pretty often did) take systems down. 

    The other issue is that upgrades often change the way things work, so that breaks your workflow and can be really frustrating.  Elasticsearch changed the way documents were labeled between versions 5 and 6, and that completely busted some of the tricks I was using in my logstash ingests for processing some types of cyber data.

    I think the Win10 resistance is the most legitimate of all reasons, though.  MS definitely included some really dirty stuff in Win10 that it's totally fair to be upset about.  I delayed the upgrade myself while trying to figure out how to deal with it.

    All that said, upgrades are important and everyone should be doing them.  WannaCry has been the absolute prime example of why you have to stay updated, and it's just the best example.  MS and other devs fix tons of vulns every minute and not patching just leaves you out there waiting to get pwned.

    ...and btw...   Security is ALWAYS on topic.  =P
    I tried upgrading my Sager laptop from Win 7 to 10 when they first offered it.

    My sound card ceased working and I started getting BSODs while trying to work through the issues.

    Was far easier to just roll back to 7 and never look back.

    I contacted Sager for help who said it was likely due to poor driver support and they said my laptop only was certified for Win 7, and  8, for Win 10 I was on my own.

    I'll likely buy a new laptop this year with Win 10 on it and solve the problem.

    Doesn't matter now, getting ready to go back in time with the rising of the Phoenix.

    ;)
    At that point you should just try Ubuntu (or another friendly flavor). Honestly at this point dealing with this crap in Linux isn't any trickier than what you have to do in Windows and often a lot more straight forward.
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  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 413
    Hail Linus.
    Torval
  • koldmiserkoldmiser Member UncommonPosts: 122
    I wanted to love SoT so badly. It's just not fun running around getting ganked over and over by large groups on giant ships. Open PVP with zero consequences for the aggressors sucks!
  • HefaistosHefaistos Member UncommonPosts: 335
    SOT and Atlas does have one thing in common, piracy. SOT is like a small battle royale while Atlas is a no life survival game. SOT can be played solo and you can almost do high end content and Atlas you need 50+ ppl to enjoy raiding other ppls bases. The constant struggle ppl have in Atlas with gameplay and bugs is pathetic. :(

    SOT is perfect for what it offers and time will tell if it will be better or not but comparing a game that at lvl 1 you experience end game content with a game that needs 50 ppl and tons of hours just to leave to prepare for 1st raid, is dumb as fuck
  • PhryPhry Member EpicPosts: 10,408
    bestever said:

    Rhoklaw said:


    Viper482 said:



    Rhoklaw said:


    First mistake... Windows 10. Yes, I have Windows 10, but I won't support exclusive platform games. Just ask Rock Star if I bought Red Dead Redemption 2 or if I bought another Windows 10 exclusive State of Decay 2. I understand console or PC only games, but when you start doing crap like operating system exclusive, something tells me you think too much of yourself.






    Time out....am I reading this correctly? Are you implying the game is not doing well because it is PC only? And you are actually boycotting a PC only game calling it a......"operating system exclusive"?



    I'm too shocked really to completely spit my water out on my keyboard laughing at this. And to top it off...you call yourself a PC Gamer only.

    Please tell me if I got this wrong because if I don't.....holy hell. Reeeeaaaalllly?


    No, actually you would be incorrect. I said Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 are Windows 10 exclusive games on the PC. It wasn't until just recently that Windows 10 outpaced Windows 7 in overall usage. It's stuff like this where Windows tries to coerce people into upgrades they don't want. I also said I have Windows 10 on my laptop, but I still chose not to purchase it.



    Don't see the issue here. Microsoft is building a platform and not just a operating system. Why keep updating a OS that isn't going to be supported after 2020? Why waste the time and money to support windows 7 with features that are in the new OS/platform? If people choose not to switch then that's on them.

    The funny part is you're not supporting the most consumer friendly service any company has offered us. Its a play anywhere title and that also counts for xbox gamepass. $9.99 a month gets you every new game Xbox makes on both systems and PC doesn't need to pay for Xbox live, hopefully they make that change for console at some point but probably not. Now if you complained about the Microsoft store I would agree it needs a bunch of love. If you're going to let a 10 year old OS hold you back from playing some games that's just silly but hey each to their own.

    The one thing that bugs me the most is how they don't let have amount of settings to tweak like games on steam. They do lock them down more then I like that's for sure.
    Win 7 will probably be around for several more years yet, it has the same or better performance than Win 10 and is still on at least 40% of PC's, so while MS might be pushing for Win 10 to be the main Win OS, developers are likely to still support Win 7.
    I think the true test of how widespread Win10 is, will be 2020, if MMO's are still supporting Win 7 at that point, then it means that they still represent a large proportion of their playerbase.
    Windows Store's biggest problem is that they are pushing their own proprietary 'platform' and its not as good as the alternative, there is a reason why the games on Steam tend to work better than the ones in Windows Store, its because they are not the same.
    Kind of interesting though isn't it that Win 10 is often out performed by the now aging Win 7, although Win 7 by now is about as patched as an OS can get, of course Win 7 doesn't have all that spyware etc. or the issue with the creators update, or the update from last october that they still haven't got to work right, nor does it have the 'microstuttering' issue.
    Win 10 is still a work in progress, i suspect its much like Star Citizen in that the finished version is still XX years away :p
  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 413
    Phry said:
    Win 7 will probably be around for several more years yet, it has the same or better performance than Win 10 and is still on at least 40% of PC's, so while MS might be pushing for Win 10 to be the main Win OS, developers are likely to still support Win 7.
    I think the true test of how widespread Win10 is, will be 2020, if MMO's are still supporting Win 7 at that point, then it means that they still represent a large proportion of their playerbase.
    Windows Store's biggest problem is that they are pushing their own proprietary 'platform' and its not as good as the alternative, there is a reason why the games on Steam tend to work better than the ones in Windows Store, its because they are not the same.
    Kind of interesting though isn't it that Win 10 is often out performed by the now aging Win 7, although Win 7 by now is about as patched as an OS can get, of course Win 7 doesn't have all that spyware etc. or the issue with the creators update, or the update from last october that they still haven't got to work right, nor does it have the 'microstuttering' issue.
    Win 10 is still a work in progress, i suspect its much like Star Citizen in that the finished version is still XX years away :p
    I seriously doubt that.  Newer versions of DirectX don't support Win7, which is why I suspect several games are coming out as "Win10 exclusive."  It has less to do with the OS than the tools in it.

    You're going to see that happen more.  Games may come out and work on Win 7 because they don't use DX, but I seriously doubt many developers will spend effort trying to regression test their games for Win 7.  Frankly, you don't want them doing it, either.  Reverse compatibility eats up a lot of time that could be used for other development, and it's a consistent draw on resources all through development.
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,734
    Mikeha said:
    3th most watched game on Twitch with only Fortnite and League Of Legends ahead of it. 
    Sea Of Thieves is ahead of games like Rainbow Six, Counter Strike, DOTA, Call Of Duty, PUBG, Overwatch and World Of Warcraft. 


    Prove these haters wrong Rare! ;)  







      It is 43rd place as we speak, with 5k people watching ;)




  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 2,940
    Wizardry said:
    SOT released with a ship and some water and VERY little else,that does NOT make a game.
    I am quite certain Microsoft rushed this out but can't begin to imagine the conversations between develoepr and Microsoft.
    Likely to the effect,we have no more money,what do you want us to do...RELEASE it.

    Bottom line is they ripped people off badly and at $80 that is outright stealing.
    From, what i saw the game was a shell and nothing more,it would need about 2 years of good effort to turn it into a viable game.

    If i was just going to hit a ship and sail around looking for pvp,i would play Blackwake over SOT any day.
    So at this point there is NO WAY,this game has turned itself around because it needs 2 years of work.

    I think it was released to help sell  Game Pass. . which was released to help get higher numbers for SoT :)

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  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 2,940
    crankked said:
    I hope we are not going to start praising these clowns after they released a piece of shit unfinished game and then were kind enough to give the DLC's for free. So sick of all these gaming studios flooding the market with garbage, taking months/years to fix it, but still charge full price on release. Sad state of affairs we are in today.....

    Also @Rhoklaw: Couldn't agree more on not supporting OS exclusive titles. If it's on PC, it should work on PC and not be limited to your shitty Win 10 software that no one wants, but is now being forced down our throats by Intel and MS.
    That is why the "games as a service" thing bothers me to hear.  I will die screaming it to the kinds on my lawn though.

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