I think it is time to admit that some PvE players are part of a cult.
What I mean is that they don't just hate PvP for themselves - they don't like it when it happens anywhere.
I say this as a PvE player who doesn't care if PvP is happening in a different game far away from me.
I realized this when discussing PvP on the Legends of Aria official forums.
Consider this sequence of events for a player who doesn't like PvP:
1: Buy a PvP game.
2: Log onto a PvP server.
3: Enter a PvP zone.
4: Find the hotspot for PvP.
5: Be there with an ill equipped character.
6: Raise hell on the forums when you get whacked.
^--- somehow, a player makes five bad choices in a row - five different choices that all seem to say "I want to PvP" but when the guy gets whacked the sociopath in that encounter is somehow the PK?
If you buy a PvP game when hundreds of PvE titles are available, and then enter a PvP server when PvE servers are available, and then enter a PvP zone when guarded zones are available, and then go to a PvP hotspot when much of the wilds are unused, and then do that with an ill equipped character while not liking PvP - and you think the PK is the problem - then you're part of a cult.
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Sure there are some cases of this now, but most people who are severely anti PvP are very vocal about it, and refuse to play any games that have it, and end up just complaining about how PvP ruins MMO's on here.
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Maybe the point is Some PvE players are against PvP even if they are not engaged in PvP themselves?
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Who are they worshipping? Are they secretly getting together on Discord to plan their own deaths in PvP hotspots? Sacrificing themselves to their all powerful god?
WTF are you talking about?
However, I'm not aware of this happening:
1: Buys a PvE only game.
2: Enters a PvE only server.
3: Enters a PvE only zone.
4: Find as PvE hotspot.
5: Has an unskilled PvE character.
6: Logs onto the forums and complains when PvP doesn't happen - tries to get the rules rewritten to support PvP - refers to the PvE crowd as "crazy".
Probably does happen though - I've just not seen it.
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When your universe is defined such that the moment you enter a game, regardless of the game's focus, ruleset, history, or playerbase - that the game must immediately conform to your PvE ruleset or the other players are, by definition, griefers/losers/lonely/bad people and the developers are inept, clueless, and cruel.
When the entire world must conform to you despite at least 5 bad, consecutive decisions or your part - and when your complaints are joined by an entire chorus of others who hate anonymous people on the internet and insult them endlessly - and when someone suggests that you play a different game and that is 'unreasonable' and 'persecution' then yes, that is a cult in any meaningful sense of the word.
No, it shouldn't matter at all.
Let's say I'm a PK and I try to establish a 'territory'. I do that by killing anyone who enters the area. If the same person enters the area multiple times they die multiple times. A PK may be 'forced' to do this for several reasons. Imagine if the PK only kills the same player twice and then grants immunity - then you're asking the PK to accept the following conditions:
1: The PK cannot claim the 'territory' or roleplay since other players are granted immunity.
2: The target with immunity may be a spy reporting out the PKs location/condition.
3: The moment the PK is attacked the player with immunity may join in and now the PK is outnumbered.
The point is that a PK attempting to roleplay control over an area can look very much like a griefer. There is really no way to tell what is going on behind the keyboard. I do not allow that people can read minds - and the PvE cultists like to do that a lot.
What game has this happened in?
I've never seen that happen.
Name me any new mmo that focuses mainly on pve?
Name me any new mmo that focuses mainly on pvp?
Name me any new mmo that combines both play-styles together?
You'll get over 90% on the last question. While it's true that some people buy pvp games and complain, nowadays it's quite difficult to find one that doesn't try to cater for both sides only.
This constant banter about pve players coming into pvp games is pointless. The majority of titles releasing are going for the both play-style route which is terrible for both ends.
Essentially, you're saying there are people on the extreme ends of a certain taste. That holds true for nearly every taste.
Also, your example doesn't support your point. You claim they have an issue with PvP even if it's not happening with regards to their experience, but then use an example where the player is literally engaged by another in PvP.
I think you may be looking at this from a skewed perspective. The "carebears" aren't unique, they're just the ones who dislike PvP and like PvE the most, just like those who dislike PvE and like PvP the most.
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Why join a PvP server when a PvE server is available?
The PvP free server is a button click away.
Some of these people (I'm guessing) may be so bitter that they actively try to destroy PvP everywhere. Perhaps they seek out the controversy because the idea of a PvP game succeeding would prove them wrong on a forum - that anyone, anywhere would engage in PvP bothers them so they insert themselves into the PvP game to destroy it.
How else do you explain the behavior?
Cult does for me.
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What the majority think it's pve players complaining in "their" pvp game, it's actually pvp players. Some form of ruleset needs to be placed even in a pvp game for it to be "fair", else it'll be an endless gankfest that many will steer clear from.
I just witnessed a PvE tiff last night that was totally ridiculous.
I wouldn't think of condemning PvE because of it.
This despite the fact there are PvE servers (community) and that the game advertises itself as having PvP danger in game (see: Protector Video, main site).
You whack people who come into your territory.
Done.
It is in the lawless zone - where people can set up their own laws - that is advertised in the official marketing material.
Apparently some people want to set up laws on the forums instead of in the game.
I know it is hard, but step outside the cult and just admit: Those guys are idiots.