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Tim Eisen: A Relationship with Gaming, 2018 Edition - MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126

imageTim Eisen: A Relationship with Gaming, 2018 Edition - MMORPG.com

While I've taken greater efforts to produce more honed work I feel this format is necessary once a year, generally at the beginning. Call it a digital fire-side chat if you will. One in which I can remove the mask of professionalism and have a bit of a heart-to-heart with the readers that enable me to have what was and is an enjoyable job.

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Gdemami

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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,200
    Well, I'm confused... are Tim Eisen and Aaron Couture the same person?
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    Well, I'm confused... are Tim Eisen and Aaron Couture the same person?
    Nope, that was the incorrect author attribution from the drop down list. :P
    WellspringLokeroTuor7Scot


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,200

    SBFord said:



    Well, I'm confused... are Tim Eisen and Aaron Couture the same person?


    Nope, that was the incorrect author attribution from the drop down list. :P



    Haha thank you for clearing that up. Now I can move past that paradox and read the rest of the article!
    SBFord
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,533
    edited January 2
    The dilemma of loot boxes and micro transactions is a big time problem ruining any chance games have of being designed around the consumer instead of the seller.

    I remeber when cash shops first arrived,pretty much started with Smedly in EQ2 in NA but of course was around over seas sooner.I mildly thought the idea wouldn't stick,i thought consumers would be more intelligent and scoff at the idea but nope,consumers are more like suckers than intelligent.

    Seeing that picture of Super Smash bros really grinds me because that is one particular game i feel it total garbage but pushed because it is part of the ESPORT genre.If i rated SSB i would give it a 1/10 that is how crap i feel it is on all aspects of game design.


    WHY does any of this matter?It matters because EVERYTHING surrounding gaming right now has to do with $$$ and NOT about a fun hobby.Streamers streaming for $$$ not for the FUN of sharing game experiences.Publishers and investors want in for the $$$ not for the passion for gaming.Developers are looking more for a monetary angle,a market than passionate game design.NOBODY in business is doing this for the right reasons....hobby...>>>FUN.
    Tuor7HluillKalebGraysonkjempffkitarad

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293


    Well, I'm confused... are Tim Eisen and Aaron Couture the same person?



    Maybe I’ve just been her pen name all along...
    I used to role-play a Warrior Priest now I role-play a writer.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,034
    It's like Tim combined Festivus and Christmas into one holiday and decided to hold it on New Years.

    Words that triggered me in 2018: influencer. soft launch, loot box.
    TimEisenTorval
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Thanks for the fun read, as always Tim.

    Your points about influencers directing consumer dollars is poignant. Fear of missing out has been used and abused by dev studios and influencers to get folks to purchase products that, quite frankly, don't deserve to be released based solely on technical quality. We see examples of devs that don't ever fix said technical issues, yet we can't get away from the hype all over the internet about the new Fallout 76- it's gonna be just like the rest of the series, but with friends! Whoo boy, did that one not work out like anyone thought it would.

    But that's okay, because you got a phone right??? And the same old Blizzard you know and love is (dead!) bringing their Diablo goodness to mobile! Only, it's not even Blizzard developing it. But still, that's what we've all been praying Blizzard would do this past year!
    GdemamiTimEisen

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,130
    SBFord said:
    Well, I'm confused... are Tim Eisen and Aaron Couture the same person?
    Nope, that was the incorrect author attribution from the drop down list. :P
    Lies. Your secrets have now been unmasked.  There ARE NO authors here.  Admit it. You write all the articles and then select a random name from a dropdown list to make us think there are others.  Actually... I think you are really Bill, and Bill is really MikeB...

    How deep does this conspiracy go?

    This is why peeling onions makes me cry.

    TimEisen

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,130
    "Speaking of, if DAOC, UO or SWG launched today would they succeed? It's hard to retain us in the digital shill and kneel era."

    Do we keep the bar at the same level for success as it was when they launched? If so, then yes they would succeed. If we have now moved to consider success being Fortnite's $3B in revenue, then no they wouldn't. There is plenty of cash to be made for small teams. They just need to stop trying to compete with Activision/Blizzard. 50,000 subs at $19.99 is a million a month. That's not something that will interest the massive companies, but should be plenty to keep teams like the old Mythic or Origin teams well funded.

    MadFrenchieGdemamiSovrathtweedledumb99TimEisenkitarad

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

    My ignore list finally has one occupant after 12 years. I am the strongest supporter of free speech on here, but free speech does not mean forced listening. Have fun my friend. Hope you find a new stalking target.

  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293


    "Speaking of, if DAOC, UO or SWG launched today would they succeed? It's hard to retain us in the digital shill and kneel era."



    Do we keep the bar at the same level for success as it was when they launched? If so, then yes they would succeed. If we have now moved to consider success being Fortnite's $3B in revenue, then no they wouldn't. There is plenty of cash to be made for small teams. They just need to stop trying to compete with Activision/Blizzard. 50,000 subs at $19.99 is a million a month. That's not something that will interest the massive companies, but should be plenty to keep teams like the old Mythic or Origin teams well funded.






    Success to me is being able to support the studio, make the owners some extra change, pay back the financial backers and pay for expansion content. What that number is I am not sure.

    thanks for reading,
    Ann

    Just kidding!

    seriously thanks again,
    SBFord
    Gdemamimmoloukitarad
    I used to role-play a Warrior Priest now I role-play a writer.
  • BlueThunderBearBlueThunderBear Member UncommonPosts: 176

    SBFord said:



    Well, I'm confused... are Tim Eisen and Aaron Couture the same person?


    Nope, that was the incorrect author attribution from the drop down list. :P



    Seems to me weve discovered Tim Eisens secret pseudonym and you're trying to do damage control. Its a conspiracy I tells ya!
    TimEisen
  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293

    SBFord said:



    Well, I'm confused... are Tim Eisen and Aaron Couture the same person?


    Nope, that was the incorrect author attribution from the drop down list. :P



    Seems to me weve discovered Tim Eisens secret pseudonym and you're trying to do damage control. Its a conspiracy I tells ya!
    I don't do damage control I make....um I mean she doesn't do damage control but he makes it. 
    Wellspring
    I used to role-play a Warrior Priest now I role-play a writer.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,296
    Iselin said:
    It's like Tim combined Festivus and Christmas into one holiday and decided to hold it on New Years.

    Words that triggered me in 2018: influencer. soft launch, loot box.
    The word that triggers me is "journey ... "

    For example, when someone from one of those "singing shows" or reality TV shows says something like "when I started this Journey" or "My journey led me to greater understanding of "

    etc.

    erm, what were we talking about again?
    ConstantineMerusTimEisen



  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited January 2
    Iselin said:
    It's like Tim combined Festivus and Christmas into one holiday and decided to hold it on New Years.

    Words that triggered me in 2018: influencer. soft launch, loot box.
    While we're listing words that need to go die in a ditch (no offense to you Iselin, because I'm referencing the general prevalence of its usage everywhere): triggered.

    And "slam."  The news loves that fucking word: "Trump slams Dems, Dems slam Trump back!" "Obama's nose hairs slammed by Breitbart!"  What an unimaginative word.
    TimEisen

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,130
    Iselin said:
    It's like Tim combined Festivus and Christmas into one holiday and decided to hold it on New Years.

    Words that triggered me in 2018: influencer. soft launch, loot box.
    While we're listing words that need to go die in a ditch (no offense to you Iselin, because I'm referencing the general prevalence of its usage everywhere): triggered.

    And "slam."  The news loves that fucking word: "Trump slams Dems, Dems slam Trump back!" "Obama's nose hairs slammed by Breitbart!"  What an unimaginative word.
    Clapback

    MadFrenchie

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

    My ignore list finally has one occupant after 12 years. I am the strongest supporter of free speech on here, but free speech does not mean forced listening. Have fun my friend. Hope you find a new stalking target.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,130

    SBFord said:



    Well, I'm confused... are Tim Eisen and Aaron Couture the same person?


    Nope, that was the incorrect author attribution from the drop down list. :P



    Seems to me weve discovered Tim Eisens secret pseudonym and you're trying to do damage control. Its a conspiracy I tells ya!
    Actually when I wrote this article I was going to put in a paragraph about how game companies have been in perpetual damage control mode.  Think Diablo Immortal, Atlas, etc...

    I'll save it for my next column.

    TimEisenWellspring

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

    My ignore list finally has one occupant after 12 years. I am the strongest supporter of free speech on here, but free speech does not mean forced listening. Have fun my friend. Hope you find a new stalking target.

  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,539
    edited January 2
    The write up fails to mention the worst offender - P2Enjoy - aka BDO monetization, base gameplay crippled to the point of just being bad to play without spending more money.

    Over time players just keep getting milked for exorbitant amounts of money - like $300+ per month is an average spend for top players.
    KyleranGdemamiTimEisenTrolldefender99poorbaby
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,064
    edited January 3
    If RDR 2 could make even Tim think it was a great game that shows you the power of a genuine digital world. Something we have moved towards then back away from so many times in the history of gaming, if we want games to evolve to the next level that us where they have to go.
    As for a digital fireside chat, you are always going to get that guy who makes out their virtual world really was that big. :) image
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  • meddyckmeddyck Member UncommonPosts: 1,278
    Good read. Hey I think I recognize one of those crowdfunded games you referenced. ;)
    TimEisen

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  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,633
    Everyone is buying tulip onions. To make money. The bubble will burst.
    After the bang. Tulips will once more be sold.
    Because of their beauty and smell.

    If you guessed this was about f2p then you may be right.
    TimEisenGdemami
  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293

    Scot said:

    If RDR 2 could make even Tim think it was a great game that shows you the power of a genuine digital world. Something we have moved towards then back away from so many times in the history of gaming, if we want games to evolve to the next level that us where they have to go.


    As for a digital fireside chat, you are always going to get that guy who makes out their virtual world really was that big. :)


    image





    I have a RDR2 critical column coming because there are obviously things that could be better but even my biggest criticism basically comes down to after 100 hours I want the world to have more content so I can do more in it heh. Keep in mind the majority of my enjoyment comes from observing and interacting with nature. I'm going to assume most gamers wont have nearly as much fun doing what they may consider mundane. As someone that's always wanted to experience Ultima beta back when it had a functioning eco system I can't stop playing with the world mechanics to see what I can make it do. No RDR2 doesn't seem to have much of an ecosystem but I wanted to establish how long I've been wanting that and admiring virtual worlds. I'm a nerd for digital world building /shrug


    meddyck said:

    Good read. Hey I think I recognize one of those crowdfunded games you referenced. ;)



    (Insert Jeremiah Johnson nod here)

    I don't like to discriminate. I'd say...all of them? Maybe? Certainly all of the games with a cash shop. What an amazing set-up. I mean its genius in every way. You make a digital store, in which you sell digital currency your company created that is only good with that company locking your money in, with which you can purchase digital pixels for a game you can't even use them in. So you basically spend money for nothing, for something that doesn't exist neither IRL or digitally. And it's killing it for studios and publishers big and small. Its a capitalistic dream machine.
    TorvalGdemamiScot
    I used to role-play a Warrior Priest now I role-play a writer.
  • seldinseldin Member UncommonPosts: 185

    Wizardry said:

    The dilemma of loot boxes and micro transactions is a big time problem ruining any chance games have of being designed around the consumer instead of the seller.



    I remeber when cash shops first arrived,pretty much started with Smedly in EQ2 in NA but of course was around over seas sooner.I mildly thought the idea wouldn't stick,i thought consumers would be more intelligent and scoff at the idea but nope,consumers are more like suckers than intelligent.



    Seeing that picture of Super Smash bros really grinds me because that is one particular game i feel it total garbage but pushed because it is part of the ESPORT genre.If i rated SSB i would give it a 1/10 that is how crap i feel it is on all aspects of game design.





    WHY does any of this matter?It matters because EVERYTHING surrounding gaming right now has to do with $$$ and NOT about a fun hobby.Streamers streaming for $$$ not for the FUN of sharing game experiences.Publishers and investors want in for the $$$ not for the passion for gaming.Developers are looking more for a monetary angle,a market than passionate game design.NOBODY in business is doing this for the right reasons....hobby...>>>FUN.



    Game design is not a hobby it is a business. Businesses are here to make money. Publishers and investors want to make money on their investments otherwise they would not invest. Developers need to make money to live. For these people it is their job. They may enjoy there job but it still a job. Very few people are going to say I am gonna make a game but who cares if it makes any money or costs me millions.


    The downfall of gaming was the internet. This allowed companies to patch games and add additional content. Back during the cartridge and disc only days a company had to get their game as perfect as possible (gold) or there was no fixing it (IE. Atari ET game) or they ended up in landfill. Everything is a double edge sword. Companies are able to fix bugs and add more content to titles but they can also use the idea that they can just release and fix it later.

    The other big problem is that developers/investors can see huge amounts of money can be made in certain games and things are considered a flop if they don't make x return on money. You just have to understand that the people involved are doing this for their career not there hobby and they are not charities. If the project/game does not make a profit they need to do something else.
    TimEisenkitaradKyleranScot
  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 846
    Old civilizations crumble and new are built in their place. I think we're at the bottom of our downswing for the genre, and will be steadily building up to something wonderful this year.

    Gut Out!

    What, me worry?

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