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Chinese players in Atlas making havoc.

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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,907
    Towards the end of Shadowbane's life servers were dominated by huge chinese populations. They would band together at first but over time they split and recruited western players. My guild was 90% chinese but they tought me a little chinese to communicate over vent and through Pinyin. After a few weeks I was reliably able to communicate basics for an MMO such as the different buffs, classes, typical LFG lingo and greetings. 

    Contrary to popular belief on this forum, folks that don't speak english are actually humans too!
    TorvalScot
  • AlmostLancelotAlmostLancelot Member UncommonPosts: 135
    Utinni said:
    Towards the end of Shadowbane's life servers were dominated by huge chinese populations. They would band together at first but over time they split and recruited western players. My guild was 90% chinese but they tought me a little chinese to communicate over vent and through Pinyin. After a few weeks I was reliably able to communicate basics for an MMO such as the different buffs, classes, typical LFG lingo and greetings. 

    Contrary to popular belief on this forum, folks that don't speak english are actually humans too!
    So, what you're saying is that in order to better communicate with people who speak a language other than your own, you chose to learn bits of their native language?

    See where I'm going with this?
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,576
    Rennd said:
    rodarin said:
    Rennd said:
    The Chinese [...]
    LMAO the nightshift [...]
    I get your frustration with this streamers. I always disliked Burke and Timmac for the exact same reason you mentioned. Burke is screaming and putting a show for every new sub, not even sure if i'm suppose to watch a game or him dancing every sub.
    Timmac, not sure why he is using normal chat and not sub only chat. He doesn't read anything you got to say unless he needs something or you got the sub badge.
    So yes, I won't be saying "What are you doing watching them"

    All they care is the money. Not my business tho, I'd probably do the same thing.

    On the other hand, I do enjoy Bikeman streams and this is how I know about it. Bikeman even stopped for a long time mentioning subs because, his words "I don't want my stream to turn in to a teletubbies, you are appreciated but I won't be calling your name".
    Now he only mentiones them when he takes a "break" because not mentioning them didn't work as intendet . It turned in to him screaming at everyone why he isn't mentioning them, i guess.

    Are they bad at the game? Yes, maybe true but the way Atlas works, you cant lose if you have more in numbers. Nighshift has a shit ton of pawns and more to chose from.
    (Not mentioning the other streamers because I didn't spend time watching them)

    dasmehdi, he mentioned a few times already, he is bad at the game. What he got is numbers and old time ARK players with him.


    tl;dr Numbers > Skills in this game. Streamers will have the easiest time finding numbers.

    We are getting out of topic and we are calling names, if you want to go on with this, better PM me. I won't answer to a replay in here. ^^

    nah, theyre RP players theyre never really good at any of the games they play. Thats why they play RP games. Timmac for sure will be on an RP server if he keeps playing but he has been bumping around since he basically quit GTAV. I am surprised he didnt go to Darkside but I guess he figured running with those guys he might get some cross subs (like he got from mrmoon)

    but yeah IF (big if) this game does becomes something then it will be a skilled game at least in ship on ocean fights. which like I said dont look to be probable right now.

    The thing about the 'Chinese' was the group named Dynasty and since Dynasty is the name of the Asian group that runs TFRP GTAV server everyone just jumped to that conclusion. But Dynasty claims to be American. They spoke English anyway. But to think every Chinese group is solely looking to fight Euro or Americans or Aussies or whatever is pretty simple mined. I suspect they have their own private rivalries like we used to before everyone became buddies on Twitch.

    But you can never really tell and it really shouldnt matter. Back when WOW first came out no one gave a shit where anyone was from, and for the most part WoW wasnt dissimilar to this game, but then again that was 15 years ago. So expectation were different.
    Rennd
  • InteritusInteritus Member UncommonPosts: 236
    Is it me...or is there a rise in right wing racist attacks against chinese. Why isn't this post about "americans" killing each other in a game? Or europeans? or anyone else? Why the right wing extremists targeting chinese? is it just a new group for them to pick on?

    Over on the official WoW forums, people were saying racist remarks against chinese as well. When they are no different than anyone else...good/bad/neutral and all in-between.

    And there are people complaining about playing with chinese players...which used to be a thing (and still is) toward brazilians, but now its chinese instead.

    I'll be reporting this thread creator for racism, hope it gets locked.


    I don't think it's the rise of a racist attack. It's simply Atlas is the newest kid on the block. It's currently getting all the attention. Positive and Negative.

      As you and others pointed out. People have had similar issue with Brazilians and Koreans. Or well any large mass of people who either identify themselves or are easily identifiable.

    Also the original post isn't about pvp. It was about one group (or perceived group) that was targeting everyone else. The reason it doesn't work because Speaking English means nothing. You can be From the UK, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand or even anyone who simply learned the language.  That's why you don't hear about "Americans" killing each other. How do you identify an "American"?   And again, killing other players wasn't the point. It was killing other players who apparently couldn't speak a certain language. Or at least reportedly.

    And people can complain if they find certain groups to be frustrating to play with. I'd suggest making sure you're complaining about the right people in case you put your foot in your mouth. But I have seen people complain about other countries.  Again, if you go play other games you may see people complaining about <insert group of choice>.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,854
    edited December 2018
    You can't stereotype a nation of people lol.
    There are notable trends we see a lot but i have known some Chinese and Asian people over the course of my life and have mostly nice things to say.
    Matter of fact,i began playing FFXI on PC and had to wait a few months for friends to arrive on the Playstation.What i did was game mostly with Asian players through the language translator.

    Again in the game  of FFXI i have nothing but nice things to say.I understood what they wanted me to do at times but i was a noob and was not a very good player.However they never once got mad,never booted me from their groups,they only very helpful.I got my first Ninja class just by standing around near the quest location,they asked me to join obviously figuring i was there for the Ninja class quest and helped me get it.

    I befriended an Asian fisherman/cook,he could barely speak English but was super friendly and nice.

    There is simply good and bad and different people all over the world,no country is immune to any type of person.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,854
    The problems if we agree there are any at all,has only to do with the developer/publisher,MOSTLY the owner/publisher because the developer is just a team for hire that were told what to do.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • barasawabarasawa Member UncommonPosts: 611
    deniter said:
    I have no idea but the scenario you described sounds very plausible to me. Back in 2005 a WoW server was hijacked by Italians. They refused to use english in general chat and since very few of them actually even spoke english it was very hard to group with them. Needless to say, playing there was impossible.
    French speaking players also tried to do that for one of the Wow servers that was for English as well. It seemed that a lot of them were from Quebec.
    It went for several weeks with them harassing those speaking English until Blizz finally put the hammer down and started broadcasting about it to the server and banning the worst of the offenders.  You know, back when you could actually get the GMs and customer service people.

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 7,140
    Is the problem brought up in ATLAS solely about people not speaking English? I don't think so and whoever started that stupid argument in this thread is a race baiting POS. The original argument brought up about the Chinese was that they were cheating, severely. THAT is the problem. No one gives two chits if someone speaks English or not. Just play the damn game legitimately and this entire discussion will become nonexistent.

  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    edited December 2018
    Rhoklaw said:
    Is the problem brought up in ATLAS solely about people not speaking English? I don't think so and whoever started that stupid argument in this thread is a race baiting POS. The original argument brought up about the Chinese was that they were cheating, severely. THAT is the problem. No one gives two chits if someone speaks English or not. Just play the damn game legitimately and this entire discussion will become nonexistent.
    Thats the racist part.

    Saying ONLY chinese people are cheating and making the game worse

    When there are cheaters no matter what country they live in. When there are terrible and good people everywhere. 

    Why the OP or anyone needs to bring up a nationality that has nothing to do with anything, I dunno outside of that is a discriminatory thing to say. Only a racist cares what nationality someone is, so they have to bring it up to make sure they (the person or persons they are talking about) seem as bad as possible.

    This would be a more appropriate title:

    Cheaters in Atlas making havoc...

    See? Completely different tone and still gets the point across. 
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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 7,140
    edited December 2018
    Rhoklaw said:
    Is the problem brought up in ATLAS solely about people not speaking English? I don't think so and whoever started that stupid argument in this thread is a race baiting POS. The original argument brought up about the Chinese was that they were cheating, severely. THAT is the problem. No one gives two chits if someone speaks English or not. Just play the damn game legitimately and this entire discussion will become nonexistent.
    Thats the racist part.

    Saying ONLY chinese people are cheating and making the game worse

    When there are cheaters no matter what country they live in. When there are terrible and good people everywhere. 

    Why the OP or anyone needs to bring up a nationality that has nothing to do with anything, I dunno outside of that is a discriminatory thing to say. Only a racist cares what nationality someone is, so they have to bring it up to make sure they (the person or persons they are talking about) seem as bad as possible.

    This would be a more appropriate title:

    Cheaters in Atlas making havoc...

    See? Completely different tone and still gets the point across. 
    So, from what I gathered by the original argument was, that Chinese players were initially caught cheating. Then other players saw what they were doing and decided to do the same. Does this mean, if Chinese players hadn't initiated the trend that someone else would have? Who knows. Point is, they were caught doing it and it wasn't until that fact that others started copying their methods.

    EDIT: I also pointed out in a previous post that this exact same scenario took place during Life is Feudal MMO's launch. EXACT same scenario. When you get a pattern of behavior, it creates a stereotype, does it not? I know we live in a world that likes to hide from the truth, because it's painful to see or hear. However, living in a bubble of half truths and delusional barriers does nothing but perpetuate the problem. 
    Maurgrim

  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,309
    Torval said:
    cochs said:
    You always have people in games like this that jump to blaming the easiest target for why they keep losing or why they can't play the game the way they want to.  And a group of Chinese players is a really easy target regardless of the truth.  Because the reputation is not entirely undeserved.  So you have a group of players with a few Chinese, a few of them don't use english.  All the sudden it get twisted into oh they are all Chinese.  And then it's hey I saw them hacking/cheating.  

    Most likely the person calling foul is just an idiot.  There are far more idiots then hackers.
    When Lineage 1 had western servers NA players whined to no end how Koreans dominated the game. They complained about Korean, Chinese and TW players using Linmate. Like you said there was a lot of truth mixed in with mountains of salt. I think that made it harder for NA players to earn be treated with respect and ultimately led to the demise of the game. The western servers closing is our loss in my opinion.

    I think NA and EU players could take the high ground here and kick ass despite being at a perceived disadvantage. But no, it's whinging and whining all day long about balance, level playing field, entitled fairness, blah blah. Those are all great things, but crying every time it doesn't work out that way is embarrassing.
    Lineage 2 went through that as well. First is was Chinese, lol I still remember their guild leaders name: Finalboss. After they got bored and moved on the Greeks tried to take over the server, and eventually the Russians. After it went FtP I have no idea what happened. But it did keep the server lively with PvP.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 13,326
    Utinni said:
    Towards the end of Shadowbane's life servers were dominated by huge chinese populations. They would band together at first but over time they split and recruited western players. My guild was 90% chinese but they tought me a little chinese to communicate over vent and through Pinyin. After a few weeks I was reliably able to communicate basics for an MMO such as the different buffs, classes, typical LFG lingo and greetings. 

    Contrary to popular belief on this forum, folks that don't speak english are actually humans too!
    Really? Even the Elves? :)

    Well said sir.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,358
    edited December 2018
    Rhoklaw said:
    Is the problem brought up in ATLAS solely about people not speaking English? I don't think so and whoever started that stupid argument in this thread is a race baiting POS. The original argument brought up about the Chinese was that they were cheating, severely. THAT is the problem. No one gives two chits if someone speaks English or not. Just play the damn game legitimately and this entire discussion will become nonexistent.
    Thats the racist part.

    Saying ONLY chinese people are cheating and making the game worse

    When there are cheaters no matter what country they live in. When there are terrible and good people everywhere. 

    Why the OP or anyone needs to bring up a nationality that has nothing to do with anything, I dunno outside of that is a discriminatory thing to say. Only a racist cares what nationality someone is, so they have to bring it up to make sure they (the person or persons they are talking about) seem as bad as possible.

    This would be a more appropriate title:

    Cheaters in Atlas making havoc...

    See? Completely different tone and still gets the point across. 
    TLDR version: while there is great evidence of Chinese gamers cheating,  (lots of evidence below) I could not find any hard facts around exceptional cheating going on in Atlas by Chinese players.

    For those interested, here's what I found about cheating by folks living in China. 

    Historically Chinese gamers have reportedly cheated in great numbers, (up to 99% of all cheaters by some accounts) particularly in PUBG where one can easily find multiple articles about the subject.

    https://kotaku.com/99-percent-of-battlegrounds-cheats-are-from-china-play-1821513424

    China also is a huge source for creation of cheat engines as well with 15 arrested earlier in 2018.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43949292

    Chinese players have been involved in cheating in team eSports in other games such as CS:GO as well. (This "pro" is described as a known cheater)

    https://www.dexerto.com/csgo/high-profile-csgo-pro-banned-as-massive-vac-ban-sweeps-china-206481

    Apparently Chinese players fondness for and "prowess" at using cheat plug ins is so well known Dell decided to create a marketing pitch on how well their laptops will support cheating. (I'm not making this stuff up)

    https://www.abacusnews.com/digital-life/dell-says-their-new-laptops-will-help-you-cheat-playerunknowns-battlegrounds/article/2141285

    Apparently cheating in competitive events is quite prevalent in China, just last month several hundred half marathon runners were banned for cheating which included taking shortcuts or having other people run on their behalf.

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/29/asia/shenzhen-marathon-cheating-intl/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

    Even the US government has accused the Chinese government of "cheating" and using discriminatory trade practices in the game industry.

    http://www.realclearlife.com/games/uscc-says-china-using-cheat-codes-video-game-industry/

    Not everyone cheats in China you say? Perhaps not, but when authorities found one entire city cheating so badly on university entrance exams (49 students submitted identical papers in one case) and tried to put an end to it, the school was stormed by rioting parents and students, (seriously, this is true)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10132391/Riot-after-Chinese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html

    Heck, apparently even when applying for admission to American universities 90% of Chinese applicants cheat.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_1074544?ec_carp=8606710182779242733

    I could go on for hours, there is dozens upon dozens of articles about Chinese cheating in gaming and many other walks of life.

    Are the percentages greater than any other nation, I dunno, but there aren't a whole lot of articles about Norwegians cheating in much of anything. (Except for some questions around their dominance in Winter Olympic sports)

    One thing is pretty clear, Chinese moral standards around "cheating" are "different" from much of rest of the world and it isn't being "racist" to raise a question as the OP did in light of the actual prevalence of cheating going on.

    Speaking of race, the majority living in China are called "Han" people however the Han live in more than just mainland China.  

    There is no actual race called Chinese, as it is reported that over 50 ethnic groups live within China's borders.

    Negative comments against the "Chinese" are actually being "nationalistic", which apparently it's still OK as apparently even the US President recently called himself a nationalist.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/23/trumps-embrace-fraught-term-nationalist-could-cement-dangerous-racial-divide/?utm_term=.303597980697

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Actual quote from one of the rioters in the scenario Kyleran linked (I cannot make this shit up):

    "We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10132391/Riot-after-Chinese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html


    Their argument is, quite literally, that cheating is so rampant its downright discriminatory to prevent them from cheating.
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  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,576
    There were 3 or 4 twitch guys who were streaming that were cheating directly and a couple others who caught their cheating on their own streams. The vods for all (and a couple of the streamers) have all disappeared.

    There will be a wipe after the 2nd or 3rd. Thats why this special 2.5 times harvesting perk is going on to give people a chance to make all the 'cool' things, and then when they wipe it all they can say you only had it because we gave yo more than double the server norm for a few days. And that its EA. So ironic when we see all the defenders cry like little girls when they lose all their stuff they 'worked' for.

    But if they havent fixed the dupes and the hacks it wont matter, and its unlikely they will get them all. But of course everyone who gets everything they lost in the wipe back in 24-26 hours it will be because they now understand the game mechanics and how better to utilize resources, not that theyre still using the same hacks and cheats they did since day one.

    There will unlikely be any hard evidence of this since I am sure people now have enough brains to not stream any of it. But they could still make a mistake and someone could catch it.

    In the end it doesnt really matter because like I said somewhere else the game will be empty in a few weeks, at least the official servers. You might have a few RP servers rolling around on whatever they have doing what they do. But Atlas being some savior of MMOs and the PvP portion of MMOs isnt going to happen.
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