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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 3,880

    MaxBacon said:
    sgel said:
    Babuinix said:
    When you constantly have the same posters year after year attacking the project and it's backers with the constant "scam" or "imminent collapse" acusations, hyperbolic dramas, obfuscations and wishing for the game to crash I think it's only normal that people call them out for it.

    Specialy when both the company and the game keep progressing at a steady rate and delivering on their milestones with more and more people joining everyday.
    Maybe get some of these people in here so that the same three people don't have to defend it for years and years?

    Perhaps the shills can ask CIG for some backup now that they have $46 million for marketing....

    /s
    I wanna piece of dat 46 million hell yeah

    Disclaimer to rodarin just in case: sarcasm. :P 


    You earn a non mean lol for that Max
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,896
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:

    Specialy when both the company and the game keep progressing at a steady rate and delivering on their milestones with more and more people joining everyday.

    I mean c'mon  :D
    Progressing towards what I would ask? Sure, they along with many other indie devs are "busy, busy, busy" but where are they really going with it?

    Launch? Really? Latest info on SQ42 easily puts that date into late 2021 or even 2022.

    As for the larger multiplayer game, absolutely no telling when it might launch, especially as there appears to be no end to the successful fund raising efforts or external investments.

    Sure, if you are the sort of person who enjoys playing the various sub systems "for fun" then I understand why this is not an issue.

    Realize however for those like me who only play games post final release, (and preferably a year or two afterwards) it could very well be 2025 before either is a possibility. 

    My personal issue? Sure, but at least you'll understand where the salt comes from in some of my posts.

    I  have been 100% accurate for many years, these games have either never had a firm realistic launch schedule, or if so they are regularly revised ever outward as funding has continued to increase.

    I've never called it a scam, predicted its failure by "X" date, and normally only post in these threads when the praise gets too insufferable without remembering that there is seemingly no end in site, yet so many are just fine with it.

    I was 100% incorrect on one point,  but so was everyone else.  I always felt the crowd funding faucets would dry up one day, and people would stop paying large amounts of money for a game never ending in alpha, and clearly this is not the case.

    Meanwhile in FO76, a released game (made entirely from their own pockets) I am actually playing despite my usual policies,  Bethedsa offers a $20 XMAS skin pack and the internet goes up in arms.

    Weird.



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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Keller said:
    Babuinix said:
    Vrika said:
    Babuinix said:
    Makes all the sense to have 60% of your company costs in a country with a 25% video game tax break.

    Just another genius move by CIG folks and again completely shiitting on the disingenuous "imminent collapse" and "mismanagement" FUD campaign from the last years by the sad and desperate haters lol

    I wonder if the more livid haters living in the UK realise that their tax money is helping Star Citizen's development... would they ponder to move country? They could even use brexit as an excuse lol :D
    You really should curb your constant baiting.
    Not a fan of any censorship.  Let him talk and trust that people can read and make their own decisions.  I love it when people disagree with me and keep posting their reasons.  Just present a clear contrasting opinion and let folks decide on their own.

    It isn't the presentation of a contrasting opinion I have an issue with.  It's the constant baiting with bullshit that's irrelevant and/or generalized attacks on character that I have an issue with.

    Even then, if it weren't literally his number one posting goal, I wouldn't even pay attention.
    I have to agree with MadFrenchie.

    I think 50% of his posts are okay, but 50% of his posts are designed to remind people that someone who disagreed with him was once wrong. Even his avatar is one that he picked after his opponent on these forums was wrong, eternally laughing at the losers.
    Even if some of my posting can often come across as abrasive or even rude by some can you realy fault me when I've been prooven right more often than not?

    Considering the ammount of "bullshit" thrown at this project and it's backers year after year I consider it public service by now lol

    I guess you can say that one ever notices when you’re been provoked, just when you retaliate  B) 
    I quote you, but it isn't targetted at you alone. Sadly you're not the only one.

    The average forum visitor is interested in a quality post. This starts with the Original Post. Sticking to this thread I have no clue what the OP is trying to tell me.
    Then an avalanche of posts appear. Posts which try to correct the previous post. I can read them all, but I don't believe any of those will inform me what the OP was trying to say.

    Even if our power posters are "right" 6 out of 10 posts, it still means you're wrong 4 times. As a reader that doesn't help me at all, because I wouldn't know which 4 posts are incorrect. Every time I see a name next to a post I'll know this could be an "incorrect" post so I'll skip them all. I don't have time to read your post, do my own research and then decide you were right or wrong.


    I've been a long time on this forum. Nowadays I only read the original post. I read what @SBFord has to say, as she usually has an honest opinion, is passioned about gaming and is good informed. I read what @BillMurphy has to say, as he is a veteran gamer and is also good informed. Sure there is the occasional "sponsored" article by their hands, but you can tell by reading the whole article. Sometimes it appears to be sponsored, but they actually like something that isn't accepted by the cool kids.
    As for other forum users there are a few who are informative and stay away from the forumwars. Their posts I like and I read. Wish people could be more like them and less like people in this thread. There's no need to correct the same people time after time. You know you're right and people would agree with you more if you had posted less ;)
    While I understand your position, do remember that if debating and arguing points didn't exist, these forums would be, essentially, a super boring site where folks merely post mini-blogs about their gaming.

    Like it or not, the debate and back and forth exchange and rebuttal if ideas keep the forums active.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    @Babuinix here's the thing: even the critics of SC here don't literally make their entire account about shitposting SC.  You rarely if ever come here for anything other than puffing SC and attacking them.

    If you were just puffing SC, I could at least understand and would appreciate some of the info you share about the project.  But when the other entire half of your account is dedicated to shitposting others, that becomes harder to understand.

    And the final point, likely the most important: some users are going to post at you because they know you'll reply the same way you always do, and then they can claim your fanboy bias is clouding your vision.  I think you make yourself a target sometimes because you go from 0-100 on critics in a matter of one post.

    /Shrug in the end, you don't have to take ant of this under advisement.  Just my observations as a regular poster here.
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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 2,905
    Axllow18 said:
    Every now and then I pop into SC myself, and I'll tell you that there are plenty of optimization issues. No one I know can play without hiccups, and even when it does play smoothly there are always issues cropping up that remind you just how deep in alpha the project still is.

    Considering the size of the project and the feature list it's not surprising, but let's not pretend these issues do not exist. CIG has made great strides on the technology front and I find myself more in agreement with the idea that the game will launch and be a functional if not good game when it does; however attempting to hide the fact that the project still has a LONG list of issues is simply dishonest.

    When this is all over I'd love to see someone put together a breakdown of all the projects missteps and milestones; I think once all is said and done SC and SQ42 could be a fantastic study into the hurdles of such a massive project and even a case study as to why competent project leads are so damned vital to any endeavor.
    @Axllow18 there have been several attempts at this already.  MandaloreGaming's couple videos on his channel and elsewhere are my favorite, but closest to what you describe is probably "Sunk Cost Galaxy" which is up to... 6 episodes I think, with up to 20 named episodes planned?  I don't know how he is Nostradamus enough to do this on a story still unfolding, but the production value is very good (although he gets a bit emotional in places):


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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    edited December 2018
    Kyleran said:
    Babuinix said:

    Specialy when both the company and the game keep progressing at a steady rate and delivering on their milestones with more and more people joining everyday.

    I mean c'mon  :D
    Progressing towards what I would ask? Sure, they along with many other indie devs are "busy, busy, busy" but where are they really going with it?

    Launch? Really? Latest info on SQ42 easily puts that date into late 2021 or even 2022.

    As for the larger multiplayer game, absolutely no telling when it might launch, especially as there appears to be no end to the successful fund raising efforts or external investments.

    Sure, if you are the sort of person who enjoys playing the various sub systems "for fun" then I understand why this is not an issue.

    Realize however for those like me who only play games post final release, (and preferably a year or two afterwards) it could very well be 2025 before either is a possibility. 

    My personal issue? Sure, but at least you'll understand where the salt comes from in some of my posts.

    I  have been 100% accurate for many years, these games have either never had a firm realistic launch schedule, or if so they are regularly revised ever outward as funding has continued to increase.

    I've never called it a scam, predicted its failure by "X" date, and normally only post in these threads when the praise gets too insufferable without remembering that there is seemingly no end in site, yet so many are just fine with it.

    I was 100% incorrect on one point,  but so was everyone else.  I always felt the crowd funding faucets would dry up one day, and people would stop paying large amounts of money for a game never ending in alpha, and clearly this is not the case.

    Meanwhile in FO76, a released game (made entirely from their own pockets) I am actually playing despite my usual policies,  Bethedsa offers a $20 XMAS skin pack and the internet goes up in arms.

    Weird.



    Dude SHHHHH!!!! Or you know what's going to happen next!! I mean what the hell else do you think he's using that money for?


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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,865
    Dude SHHHHH!!!! Or you know what's going to happen next!! I mean what the hell else do you think he's using that money for?


    Don't worry. Soon. :)
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,298
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:
    When you constantly have the same posters year after year attacking the project and it's backers with the constant "scam" or "imminent collapse" acusations, hyperbolic dramas, obfuscations and wishing for the game to crash I think it's only normal that people call them out for it.

    -----snip---

    I mean c'mon  :D
    It's fairly simple to put someone on ignore if it bothers you so much.  While I don't use the ignore function I do just automatically skip over a few posters. Trying to justify bad behavior by pointing to the "other guy" didn't work when I was 8 and sure doesn't work now.

    I learned a long time ago that a game I like doesn't need me to "defend it" from the evil naysayers.   

    I mean c'mon :disappointed:

    Oh no no! ignoring would be no bueno imo 

    There's already so many misconceptions about this game and it's development going around that I think it's important to point out the things that are wrong quickly and swiftly for the sake of clarity and reasoning.

    Holding naysayers and fud spreaders accountable of their lies and obfuscations is a colateral effect of keeping things in check or else this thread would become a circle-jerk of negativity and cynicism along with the usual uninformed armchair dev'ing, lawering and finance like in the SA and ED forums lol

    One thing is sure, Star Citizen always being talked about, for good or for worst keeps bringing awareness to the game and it's development which in turn means more players and money. 

    So in a way you could say that haters and trolls also help Star Citizen and it's development.

    Oh and Star Citizen is already availabe to play and keeps getting better with every update so in it's own way it's already released just not finished.

    Everyone says they love the idea this all encompassing ambitious online universe but then complains because it has to wait for it's completion or gets burned by following development... well that's their own problem to deal with.

    It's not like people ared forced to follow it or there isin't more games to play...

    But remember this, if making games like Star Citizen and Squadron 42 was easy bigger, richier and more experienced studios would have done it by now.

    Patience is a virtue.  B)
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  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,110
    Kefo said:
    MaxBacon said:
    Most people don't want to deal with the toxicity so they keep their distance from this forum and most other places where SC is discussed.

    There's also no point, it's just for who enjoys mostly the same old people having a go at each other for years and years xD
    Including the actual SC forums. God forbid you try to say something negative there. You’d think you just insulted their mother, slapped their sister, punched their brother and ran over the dog
    Yeah.. it's only "toxicity" when you say something critical about SC.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,043
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    When you constantly have the same posters year after year attacking the project and it's backers with the constant "scam" or "imminent collapse" acusations, hyperbolic dramas, obfuscations and wishing for the game to crash I think it's only normal that people call them out for it.

    -----snip---

    I mean c'mon  :D
    It's fairly simple to put someone on ignore if it bothers you so much.  While I don't use the ignore function I do just automatically skip over a few posters. Trying to justify bad behavior by pointing to the "other guy" didn't work when I was 8 and sure doesn't work now.

    I learned a long time ago that a game I like doesn't need me to "defend it" from the evil naysayers.   

    I mean c'mon :disappointed:

    Oh no no! ignoring would be no bueno imo 

    There's already so many misconceptions about this game and it's development going around that I think it's important to point out the things that are wrong quickly and swiftly for the sake of clarity and reasoning.

    Holding naysayers and fud spreaders accountable of their lies and obfuscations is a colateral effect of keeping things in check or else this thread would become a circle-jerk of negativity and cynicism along with the usual uninformed armchair dev'ing, lawering and finance like in the SA and ED forums lol

    One thing is sure, Star Citizen always being talked about, for good or for worst keeps bringing awareness to the game and it's development which in turn means more players and money. 

    So in a way you could say that haters and trolls also help Star Citizen and it's development.

    Oh and Star Citizen is already availabe to play and keeps getting better with every update so in it's own way it's already released just not finished.

    Everyone says they love the idea this all encompassing ambitious online universe but then complains because it has to wait for it's completion or gets burned by following development... well that's their own problem to deal with.

    It's not like people ared forced to follow it or there isin't more games to play...

    But remember this, if making games like Star Citizen and Squadron 42 was easy bigger, richier and more experienced studios would have done it by now.

    Patience is a virtue.  B)
    And it’s not some holy duty of the Chosen Few to correct that.  If CR thinks there’s a misconception he can “point that out swiftly” much more effectively than you.  He’s also got a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars to do so in a respectful and professional manner.  Trust me, he doesn’t need you or any other self-anointed savior making up their own PR strategy. I can guarantee that if you asked Chris if he wanted random internet guys acting poorly to defend his game because the “other guys” acted poorly first he would laugh and tell you no.


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    ok
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,298
    edited December 2018
    Hun what? I'm the one who said there's misconceptions not Chris Roberts, what you on about lol?

    So how pointing out and correcting lies and misconceptions about a game that I backed, play and follow development a holy duty lol?

    If I went to the Chronicles of Elrya forum and kept posting something about that game that you knew was effectively 100% wrong/lie would you wait for Caspian to come and correct me lol?

    I understand where you're coming from, the game should speak for itself and with it's open development nature means it can becomes an easy target for good or bad, that's why I usually try to post videos to showcase when people are lying/wrong/being hyperbolic about the current state of the game for the sake of drama:

    For ex: Saying that performance is "shit" and game is unplayable!

    Cue video or stream with players playing fine.

    Saying that feature X or Y is broken (when it's not) video showcasing feature is working or a workaround for the situation.

    Saying servers can't handle X amount of people, showcasing server handling X amount of people.

    Saying ship's can't carry vehicles, showcase video of ship's doing so.

    And so on and so on. So excuse me the flex but I'm a backer since late 2013, have played every version of the game until now and a original evocati tester (meaning I sometimes get to help test stuff extra-broken before it goes public) and ofc that knowing a bit more about the game than the random forum poster It's easier for me to correct wront stuff/lies and figuring out what's valid and honest criticism in good faith in contrast to the ones that are meant with the sole intent to attack the project or it's backers.

    There's a lot of valid and constructive criticism discussion to be had about this highly complex game and it's open development nature, but for that to happen there needs to come from an  actual up to date experience and clear knowledge and understanding about the stage of the game currently, where it's heading and how it will reach there.

    Trust me I'd much rather discuss about the game per se! How the UI could be improved? Debate between 1st and 3rd Person view? Aim Down Sight shooting, mandatory or optional for accuracy? Future monetization options after live (cosmetics)? Best loadout for ship X or Y? Ballistic vs Energy weapons?

    But who's up to it? Most posters here never played the game and know about it from clicbait drama articles lol 

    It's ok and normal because most gamers like to play games and have good experiences, they are not interested in paying to be alpha testers lol which is completely reasonable, but that's not a free pass to constantly attack and insult a company or it's backers at any giving chance  lol

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 6,893
    I don't think one needs a free pass to bash any game. In fact, while SC does have some amazing texture artists, as a game, it sucks balls right now.

    See? All without a free pass.
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,298
    edited December 2018
    So much for valuable and constructive criticism from experienced players :D

    Looks more like venting that actually trying to give a thoughtful opinion but hey, it's what it is lol
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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 6,893
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:
    So much for the valuable and constructive criticism from experienced players :D
    Why would i be constructive for you or anyone else in this thread? You're nobody.
    rpmcmurphy
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,043
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:
    Hun what? I'm the one who said there's misconceptions not Chris Roberts, what you on about lol?
    Thats my point...

    So how pointing out and correcting lies and misconceptions about a game that I backed, play and follow development a holy duty lol?

    If I went to the Chronicles of Elrya forum and kept posting something about that game that you knew was effectively 100% wrong/lie would you wait for Caspian to come and correct me lol?
    Yes despite the known fact that I am a huge supporter of the game and Caspien

    I understand where you're coming from, the game should speak for itself and with it's open development nature means it can becomes an easy target for good or bad, that's why I usually try to post videos to showcase when people are lying/wrong/being hyperbolic about the current state of the game for the sake of drama:

    For ex: Saying that performance is "shit" and game is unplayable!

    Cue video or stream with players playing fine.

    Saying that feature X or Y is broken (when it's not) video showcasing feature is working or a workaround for the situation.

    Saying servers can't handle X amount of people, showcasing server handling X amount of people.

    Saying ship's can't carry vehicles, showcase video of ship's doing so.
    Yes, all of that you can do freely.  But you often go far, far beyond that and honestly it turns people off.


    And so on and so on. So excuse me the flex but I'm a backer since late 2013, have played every version of the game until now and a original evocati tester (meaning I sometimes get to help test stuff extra-broken before it goes public) and ofc that knowing a bit more about the game than the random forum poster It's easier for me to correct wront stuff/lies and figuring out what's valid and honest criticism in good faith in contrast to the ones that are meant with the sole intent to attack the project or it's backers.
    Congrats.  I'm a backer since the first announcement.  I actually have a "Golden Ticket". I have a signed WC box by CR. Does that mean I have more cred than you?  Again, it's not the fact that you want the game to succeed it's the methods you use to post.  When confronted you point at others and say "They did it first".  That doesn't help the game, CR or anyone.

    There's a lot of valid and constructive criticism discussion to be had about this highly complex game and it's open development nature, but for that to happen there needs to come from an  actual up to date experience and clear knowledge and understanding about the stage of the game currently, where it's heading and how it will reach there.

    Trust me I'd much rather discuss about the game per se! How the UI could be improved? Debate between 1st and 3rd Person view? Aim Down Sight shooting, mandatory or optional for accuracy? Future monetization options after live (cosmetics)? Best loadout for ship X or Y? Ballistic vs Energy weapons?

    But who's up to it? Most posters here never played the game and know about it from clicbait drama articles lol 
    Again, it's the tactics that you use which are wrong. Not necessarilly the content.

    It's ok and normal because most gamers like to play games and have good experiences, they are not interested in paying to be alpha testers lol which is completely reasonable, but that's not a free pass to constantly attack and insult a company or it's backers at any giving chance  lol
    Again with the concept of insulting a company and needing to defend it.   Believe me... if CR wanted he could do a much better job to refute it.  When you feel the need to "defend" a company you really need to take a deep breath and re-evaluate things.

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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,298
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:
    So much for the valuable and constructive criticism from experienced players :D
    Why would i be constructive for you or anyone else in this thread? You're nobody.
    Well I dunno maybe so it carries a bit more weight to it, just like that it could be easly mistaken for simple trolling I guess.

    @Slapshot1188

    But mudfights are so much more enjoyable than just sitting on the sidelines lol

    Specially when time keeps proving you right over and over  :D
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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 6,893
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    So much for the valuable and constructive criticism from experienced players :D
    Why would i be constructive for you or anyone else in this thread? You're nobody.
    Well so that people take your opinion in consideration  :D
    Certainaly I don't care if you specifically do. You are one of the most insulting people on this site.
    rpmcmurphy
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,298
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    So much for the valuable and constructive criticism from experienced players :D
    Why would i be constructive for you or anyone else in this thread? You're nobody.
    Well so that people take your opinion in consideration  :D
    Certainaly I don't care if you specifically do. You are one of the most insulting people on this site.
    Well I wasn't including myself in the lot as we both know each others stance by now  B)
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 3,880
    Babuinix said:
    Hun what? I'm the one who said there's misconceptions not Chris Roberts, what you on about lol?

    So how pointing out and correcting lies and misconceptions about a game that I backed, play and follow development a holy duty lol?

    If I went to the Chronicles of Elrya forum and kept posting something about that game that you knew was effectively 100% wrong/lie would you wait for Caspian to come and correct me lol?

    I understand where you're coming from, the game should speak for itself and with it's open development nature means it can becomes an easy target for good or bad, that's why I usually try to post videos to showcase when people are lying/wrong/being hyperbolic about the current state of the game for the sake of drama:

    For ex: Saying that performance is "shit" and game is unplayable!

    Cue video or stream with players playing fine.

    Just because one stream is playing fine doesn’t mean the claim that performance is shit and unplayable isn’t true. Performance very well could be shit for many and you just happened to find the stream that is playing fine right now.



    Saying that feature X or Y is broken (when it's not) video showcasing feature is working or a workaround for the situation.

    A work around would imply the feature is broke otherwise you wouldn’t need a work around. And again it very well could be broken and only works some of the time. Now if the feature is fixed and people keep bringing up its broken then by all means post the video showing its working but don’t be surprised when CIG break it again lol.

    Saying servers can't handle X amount of people, showcasing server handling X amount of people.

    Servers couldn’t handle x amount of people for a long time and when they increased it the server still struggles if the person filming the video happens to look at everyone gathered in one location. 

    Saying ship's can't carry vehicles, showcase video of ship's doing so.

    For a long time they couldn’t even after CIG started showing videos of them doing it. It took them a while to get it working for players so at the time it was true.

    And so on and so on. So excuse me the flex but I'm a backer since late 2013, have played every version of the game until now and a original evocati tester (meaning I sometimes get to help test stuff extra-broken before it goes public) and ofc that knowing a bit more about the game than the random forum poster It's easier for me to correct wront stuff/lies and figuring out what's valid and honest criticism in good faith in contrast to the ones that are meant with the sole intent to attack the project or it's backers.

    There's a lot of valid and constructive criticism discussion to be had about this highly complex game and it's open development nature, but for that to happen there needs to come from an  actual up to date experience and clear knowledge and understanding about the stage of the game currently, where it's heading and how it will reach there.

    Trust me I'd much rather discuss about the game per se! How the UI could be improved? Debate between 1st and 3rd Person view? Aim Down Sight shooting, mandatory or optional for accuracy? Future monetization options after live (cosmetics)? Best loadout for ship X or Y? Ballistic vs Energy weapons?

    But who's up to it? Most posters here never played the game and know about it from clicbait drama articles lol 

    It's ok and normal because most gamers like to play games and have good experiences, they are not interested in paying to be alpha testers lol which is completely reasonable, but that's not a free pass to constantly attack and insult a company or it's backers at any giving chance  lol

    See bolded above. You are more then welcome to correct people when things do get fixed but acting like you’re right all the time after the fact is just silly. Also it’s the way you do things. Slinging mud as you put it might be more fun for you but no one will take you seriously even when you are right.

    If you chose your battles better and didn’t resort to attack the poster instead of addressing their points you’d probably have more people on your side. The blind defending of everything negative no matter how small is petty. You don’t really see us “haters” coming into the video threads posting negative things there because there are bigger fish to fry and we can all agree the game does look very pretty.
    Slapshot1188
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,298
    edited December 2018
    Yeah newsflash a game in development is a work in progresss lol

    Problem is of those criticizing those "features" never played the game, that's why they keep getting it wrong and I'm happy to point their "mistakes". It's not like we don't know who desperately tries to push their fud agenda that it's all broke and about to collapse lol

    I don't need people on my side lol I already have CIG and Time doing all the hard work, I just reap the benefits B)

    2018 was sweet but 2019 will be sweeter no doubt!
    Gdemami
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 3,880
    Babuinix said:
    Yeah newsflash a game in development is a work in progresss lol

    Problem is of those criticizing those "features" never played the game, that's why they keep getting it wrong and I'm happy to point their "mistakes". It's not like we don't know who desperately tries to push their fud agenda that it's all broke and about to collapse lol

    I don't need people on my side lol I already have CIG and Time doing all the hard work, I just reap the benefits B)

    2018 was sweet but 2019 will be sweeter no doubt!
    Yep a game in development is a work in progress and when people are saying something is broke or the server can’t handle something it’s true for that point in time. You posting about it 6 months later after it’s been fixed saying “see I was right and you were wrong!” makes you no better then Derek Smart.

    And I should have known you’d resort to that fallback of well they never played the game so they are wrong. You’re saying everyone who posts something negative about the game has never played it? Or can’t look at a YouTube video posted recently and use that as proof? Is this like that argument that you can’t comment about a game being broken unless you are a current game dev?
    sgel
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,298
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    Yeah newsflash a game in development is a work in progresss lol

    Problem is of those criticizing those "features" never played the game, that's why they keep getting it wrong and I'm happy to point their "mistakes". It's not like we don't know who desperately tries to push their fud agenda that it's all broke and about to collapse lol

    I don't need people on my side lol I already have CIG and Time doing all the hard work, I just reap the benefits B)

    2018 was sweet but 2019 will be sweeter no doubt!
    Yep a game in development is a work in progress and when people are saying something is broke or the server can’t handle something it’s true for that point in time. You posting about it 6 months later after it’s been fixed saying “see I was right and you were wrong!” makes you no better then Derek Smart.

    And I should have known you’d resort to that fallback of well they never played the game so they are wrong. You’re saying everyone who posts something negative about the game has never played it? Or can’t look at a YouTube video posted recently and use that as proof? Is this like that argument that you can’t comment about a game being broken unless you are a current game dev?
    No it isin't true "for that point in time" and that's why I call it.

    I dont need to go fetch 6 month old posts to correct naysayers when they keep providing fresh material day in day out lol

    Guess knowing a bit of what you're talking about helps  B)
    Gdemami
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,822
    I see everybody is back at it and not a single thing was learned. Awesome guys.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Phaserlight
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,256
    There's no xmas football match happening here.
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