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Blizzard: A Recovery Story - Garrett Fuller - MMORPG.com

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  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,227
    Tis is not blizzard anymore. dont get hopes up. indies care about fans.
    JeffSpicoliGdemamiblamo2000Thaharinfomatzgastovski1
  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros Member EpicPosts: 2,924
    And Hearthstone should be losing ground to "Magic: The Gathering - Arena" ... because Arena is a much better game.
    As close as you can get to MtG tabletop without buying the table.

    EDIT- though the card highlighting annoys me.  You can see your opponent highlight a card in their hand during, say, the combat phase, the game pauses everything to give them time to decide if they want to play it or not.  It has the effect, for red and blue decks especially, of tipping the opponent off that you likely have a counter/DD card you can cast at any time.
    Yeah, I see your point.  It's still in beta, though, so we'll just have to see how it ends up before launch.
  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member RarePosts: 2,242
    I don't know about you but, how many years the "big" companys are lacking in they delivery?

    you say these 3 you would never guess? sure its not guessing when you are sure they will fail
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member RarePosts: 2,242




    And Hearthstone should be losing ground to "Magic: The Gathering - Arena" ... because Arena is a much better game.


    As close as you can get to MtG tabletop without buying the table.

    EDIT- though the card highlighting annoys me.  You can see your opponent highlight a card in their hand during, say, the combat phase, the game pauses everything to give them time to decide if they want to play it or not.  It has the effect, for red and blue decks especially, of tipping the opponent off that you likely have a counter/DD card you can cast at any time.



    or he does so to make you think that, or he jsut let his mouse in the middle and it highlight it jsut because its there, youa re thinking too much on it
    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,079




    And Hearthstone should be losing ground to "Magic: The Gathering - Arena" ... because Arena is a much better game.


    As close as you can get to MtG tabletop without buying the table.

    EDIT- though the card highlighting annoys me.  You can see your opponent highlight a card in their hand during, say, the combat phase, the game pauses everything to give them time to decide if they want to play it or not.  It has the effect, for red and blue decks especially, of tipping the opponent off that you likely have a counter/DD card you can cast at any time.



    or he does so to make you think that, or he jsut let his mouse in the middle and it highlight it jsut because its there, youa re thinking too much on it
    I think at higher levels that will be true.  At the Bronze level I'm playing at currently?  I can almost play based off how long it takes my opponent to resolve their option to play an instant during my combat phase. :D 

    It's not something that doesn't also happen at the table.  Just seems exacerbated because if your opponent doesn't have an instant to play, it instantly moves to the next part of the combat phase.

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  • BukkerzBukkerz Member UncommonPosts: 175
    edited December 2018
    I think that Blizzard are reacting to fans responses, its just that no company producing anything worthy can physically produce something out of a hat that quickly. The fact that they are seemingly tightening up in some places and removing folks and funds off relatively 'flat' projects and more than likely onto more 'lively' projects is a positive. Reading between the lines earlier in the year I think that when they marketed news regarding Diablo there was a huge tilt and real enthusiasm towards wanting an MMO or RPG, let alone number '4' and it shocked them.

    This is also backed up by the removal of Graphical Novels and the story arc that went with them, indicating that they had changed their mind and that the penny had dropped in a big way, ushering in a new clear path, yielding a far more exciting game in the future. Of course this would mean they would have to sacrifice themselves on the alter of disappointment for Blizzcon 2018 .... but we live in a fickle world and the gamble is that it is far better to be an even bigger hero at a later date than an average popular Joe now. I would say that they are 'trebling' efforts with a Diablo direction and re-designating in house talent to help. Far better to make one fantastic ship than repainting and tickling tugboats ... so yes bye bye Heroes of the Storm, which was always clearly late and old hat ... and not as modern or appealing as Smite.

    Overwatch is a fantastic game for what it is and so well accomplished and WOW is just experiencing that 'middle' story arc expansion preparing itself for a far better journey. Again this means that from a lull in 2018 I would bet on booms in 2019 and 2020.

    For me a Worlds of Diablo, Devils and Angels MMO would be a Boom .... I wouldn't care if they used the same engine mechanics as WOW ..... at least we know it would work.
  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 448
    The last IP they spent a lot of time/effort on fell apart, but luckily they salvaged Titan parts for Overwatch. "We just weren't feeling it," enough to recoup some money. Maybe the death of Titan just drained their will to dev right out of them all....

    Gut Out!
    blamo2000

    What, me worry?

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,079
    Gutlard said:
    The last IP they spent a lot of time/effort on fell apart, but luckily they salvaged Titan parts for Overwatch. "We just weren't feeling it," enough to recoup some money. Maybe the death of Titan just drained their will to dev right out of them all....

    Gut Out!
    And unfortunately, Overwatch has shown signs it's longevity may not be what Blizzard was hoping for.

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  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros Member EpicPosts: 2,924




    And Hearthstone should be losing ground to "Magic: The Gathering - Arena" ... because Arena is a much better game.


    As close as you can get to MtG tabletop without buying the table.

    EDIT- though the card highlighting annoys me.  You can see your opponent highlight a card in their hand during, say, the combat phase, the game pauses everything to give them time to decide if they want to play it or not.  It has the effect, for red and blue decks especially, of tipping the opponent off that you likely have a counter/DD card you can cast at any time.



    or he does so to make you think that, or he jsut let his mouse in the middle and it highlight it jsut because its there, youa re thinking too much on it
    I think at higher levels that will be true.  At the Bronze level I'm playing at currently?  I can almost play based off how long it takes my opponent to resolve their option to play an instant during my combat phase. :D 

    It's not something that doesn't also happen at the table.  Just seems exacerbated because if your opponent doesn't have an instant to play, it instantly moves to the next part of the combat phase.
    Yes, however you can disable the automatic phase progression with CTRL and SHIFT+CTRL.  Then you can make your opponent think that the Island you're holding in your hand my actually be "Sinister Sabotage" or a "Cancel".  Not that I would ever do something so deceptive mind you, but I've heard some people do that sort of thing.   :D
    MadFrenchie
  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 448
    Is this a clarion call to Gaas as we know it, short term = very lucrative, long term = cliff jump?

    Gut Out!

    What, me worry?

  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member UncommonPosts: 637
    edited December 2018
    Blizzard is only doing one thing I care about - the Classic server. Its nice they are doing that one thing for the people that used to be core Blizzard fans before they stuck their dumbed down, streamlined, tripe for children shit right up our asses with nuWoW starting with cataclysm.

    Once D3 came out with chardev even retarded five year olds thought was sophomoric and overly simplistic I knew their core audience would never again be thinking adults that liked games for thinking adults.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,079
    edited December 2018




    And Hearthstone should be losing ground to "Magic: The Gathering - Arena" ... because Arena is a much better game.


    As close as you can get to MtG tabletop without buying the table.

    EDIT- though the card highlighting annoys me.  You can see your opponent highlight a card in their hand during, say, the combat phase, the game pauses everything to give them time to decide if they want to play it or not.  It has the effect, for red and blue decks especially, of tipping the opponent off that you likely have a counter/DD card you can cast at any time.



    or he does so to make you think that, or he jsut let his mouse in the middle and it highlight it jsut because its there, youa re thinking too much on it
    I think at higher levels that will be true.  At the Bronze level I'm playing at currently?  I can almost play based off how long it takes my opponent to resolve their option to play an instant during my combat phase. :D 

    It's not something that doesn't also happen at the table.  Just seems exacerbated because if your opponent doesn't have an instant to play, it instantly moves to the next part of the combat phase.
    Yes, however you can disable the automatic phase progression with CTRL and SHIFT+CTRL.  Then you can make your opponent think that the Island you're holding in your hand my actually be "Sinister Sabotage" or a "Cancel".  Not that I would ever do something so deceptive mind you, but I've heard some people do that sort of thing.   :D
    Good point.  I imagine it likely will be enabled at every stage by default for the competitive players.

    I am just enjoying the odd match of MtG.  I know no one personally who plays, so being able to load it up and play a round is awesome.  And the match rewards provide a lot of cards (as well as the ingenious "wildcard" system), which keeps you from feeling like you have to spend an uber amount to be competitive.

    As such, I tossed them the $5 for the starter pack after the tutorial to show support for such a well made MtG video game.  Let's hope they keep the focus on the fun of MtG, and not the card hunt with a heavy slant towards milking every last cent.

    EDIT- Also, filled out my black deck first, and I have to agree, watching an opponent attach like 3 pieces of equipment on their Flying angel, only to have me tap 3 mana and play "Murder" is an addictive feeling. :D
    SedrynTyrosjimmywolf

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  • FinvegaFinvega Member UncommonPosts: 124
    We had to BEAT THEM OVER THE HEAD to get them to make a classic WoW. I now feel that will go bad as well.
  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member UncommonPosts: 637
    Finvega said:
    We had to BEAT THEM OVER THE HEAD to get them to make a classic WoW. I now feel that will go bad as well.
    Why is that?  Based on any specific event or information?  The only news I looked at from them during the Blizz thing was the classic server - and it seemed to go really well with the news it was coming out this summer or Q2 or something like that.  Anything I miss?
  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 850
    edited December 2018


    I am in agreement on all points. They need to issue some kind of mea culpa for this year to the core fans. Blizzard though is just a name of a company now. Most of the old guard is gone and in its place is Activision. The name of Blizzard is a marketing tool now. I do not think they are going anywhere as even though numbers are down, they are still massive so they are not hurting.



    But at least for me and some of my friends this Blizzard ranks right there with Bioware. Names I will fondly remember providing me with some great times and entertainment through the years but now just names on a billboard.



    Oh they are hurting trust me... 2 months before Blizzcon, Activision Blizzard stocks were around $86-$88, 1 month before Blizzcon when they kinda said that people shouldn't expect anything worthwhile related to Diablo the stocks started going down and at Blizzcon they were $68... At the moment the stocks are $47 and going down... I'm not an expert, but almost 50% drop in stock prices has to bring in loses in the hundreds of millions right? I'm just guessing the numbers, but for a multibillion dollar company such a drop in stocks has to cost them at least in the hundreds of millions.
    GdemamiJeroKane
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 6,667
    You'd think Blizzard would never run out of money...WoW alone could probably run a third world country.
    Thahar
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,452


    I am in agreement on all points. They need to issue some kind of mea culpa for this year to the core fans. Blizzard though is just a name of a company now. Most of the old guard is gone and in its place is Activision. The name of Blizzard is a marketing tool now. I do not think they are going anywhere as even though numbers are down, they are still massive so they are not hurting.



    But at least for me and some of my friends this Blizzard ranks right there with Bioware. Names I will fondly remember providing me with some great times and entertainment through the years but now just names on a billboard.



    Oh they are hurting trust me... 2 months before Blizzcon, Activision Blizzard stocks were around $86-$88, 1 month before Blizzcon when they kinda said that people shouldn't expect anything worthwhile related to Diablo the stocks started going down and at Blizzcon they were $68... At the moment the stocks are $47 and going down... I'm not an expert, but almost 50% drop in stock prices has to bring in loses in the hundreds of millions right? I'm just guessing the numbers, but for a multibillion dollar company such a drop in stocks has to cost them at least in the hundreds of millions.
    Stocks are a funny thing though.  Stock market is more of a long game and not a quick fix for financial health.  Yes it has lost money in the short term but long term it is still more than it was worth to start the year so they have still make money.

    Someone who bought the stock at 88 is currently losing their ass if they still are holding but the company is not out anything currently because of how it works.  But the guy who is still holding after buying at 88 is playing the long game.  If you buy stock because you like the games a company makes then you are doing it wrong.  Me personally would never invest in a game development company as it is to volatile.  

    For instance I have apple shares but I am in no way hurting even though they are down the last couple of months because I bought the stock right before the first iphone launched.  Made money hand over fist even though the company has lost 2 billion in value in the short term or something like that.
    XingbairongJeroKane
  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 446
    Anyone who has ever followed Blizzcon KNOWS they apologize for their blunders every Blizzcon.

    I'm sorry, the LAST thing anyone wants to hear is an apology. They apologize all the time. They repeat the same blunders ALL THE TIME. Words are just words. PR bullshit. Only the idiots believe the crap Blizzard says anymore.

    They CAN'T save BFA. It's a dead horse and they know it. All you can HOPE for is that they finally get their heads out of their asses before they commit to the next expansion. But given their track record... hoping for that is like hoping to win the MEGA MILLIONS lottery only your chances of winning the lottery are better.
  • DeserttFoxxDeserttFoxx Member UncommonPosts: 2,400
    edited December 2018
    Who are you, spin control for blizzard? Why would you even write an article like this?

    They announced a mobile game to their hardcore pc fan, closed down hos pulling the rug from their proteams, and then told us all they are pretty much saying bye bye to the western and EU player base in favour of Chinese mobile gaming.

    Why even make an article theorizing how they can fix it, they are still doing all this stuff, so any apology, our acceptance of it would be us condoning their poor business decisions. Did you forget they are a business and not your best friend from high school? Blizzard doesn't give a crap about us, that much was apparent with their "don't you guys have cel phones" comment.

    So the answer is nothing They can do nothing. You'd be a fool to buy any blizzard product going forward.
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  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,162
    edited December 2018
    The day Blizzard decided to sell itself it stopped being Blizzard. What you have today is Blizzard in name only. It's not about making great games for gamers by gamers anymore. Now it is the board room saying more money, faster. That is the reality and those that don't realize that are holding onto something that doesn't exist anymore.

    This is what happens when any company becomes a huge success to be honest. They end up selling their company to make money and the people themselves move on to other things. That is just the way it works.

  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,742

    Recovery

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  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,130
    I haven't had a Blizzard game installed on my PC for months now. I can't remember the last time I've gone that long without at least one of their games ready to play.
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  • SamhaelSamhael Member RarePosts: 1,203
    I'm not really sure what Valve did to get listed here amongst the others. I mean, sure, Artifact didn't interest me... but I wasn't expecting anything at all whatsoever. Crap, the only thing Valve is known for these days is maintaining Steam. They haven't been well-known as a game developer in years. One single new release isn't really going to change their rep. They'll need multiple games in the pipeline, announced and releasing soon. Until then, they are just the guys running the most popular DRM platform out there. And maybe they shouldn't waste their efforts on anything else. Play to their strengths. Save the $$ and maybe give the developers a bit more in the percentages since they aren't wasting cash on developing drivel themselves.
  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 209
    The fact that people think Blizzard is at all done for stuns me.

    2017 and 2018 are the only years Blizzard stocks have been higher than what they are now, every year before that they were growing pretty steadily.

    If stocks were at 2013 levels (~$12), then sure, I'd say they should be worried, but they're at $48 which is where they were at the beginning of 2017.

    They're doing fine lol.

    Note: I don't play WoW or any other Blizzard games, before some nincompoop swoops in with fanboy claims.

    Gdemami
  • goozmaniagoozmania Member UncommonPosts: 254
    Blizzard does not, under any circumstances, admit fault for anything, ever. If you've followed Hearthstone or Heroes of the Storm for any length of time, you'd know that everything is the players' fault... particularly those darned, mouth-breathing "new-players."
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