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people whos saying Witcher 3 AND red dead 2 best game ever made cause of story are ruining gaming?

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  • badermalbadermal Member UncommonPosts: 215
    edited November 2018
    @parrotpholk "your communication is very poor.  This is the bad part about smart phones and all the new tech as basic communication skills have went out the window with the pre teen generation." .........................  you forgot to mention it also  went out to retards like you too lol 

  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,364
    badermal said:
    @Panther2103 agree with you but  for people who enjoy skyrim there is no game that is been made for years and many of them keep waiting for elder scroll 6 and nothing there between 2012 to till now  

    @Sovrath yes skyrim is another fun game to play 
    You gotta remember. Other than Elder Scrolls games, there hasn't been many open world fantasy RPG's that actually work (at least after 2000). You got a few games trying like 2 Worlds, Gothic, Kingdom Come, and a couple others but they always have some massive issue / issues that deter from gameplay. Now a days, a game like that requires so many resources / funding that nobody is willing to put in the time to make something like that for a hope that it will return the cost. So I'll take whatever I can get, The Witcher falls into that category for me. 

    I've been playing a lot of random dungeon crawlers, and those have provided me some fun. Like Might and Magic X (even though the reviews were bad it's still quite good) and Legend of Grimrock 1 & 2. 
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,486
    edited November 2018
    Aeander said:
    badermal said:
    @Panther2103 agree with you but  for people who enjoy skyrim there is no game that is been made for years and many of them keep waiting for elder scroll 6 and nothing there between 2012 to till now  

    @Sovrath yes skyrim is another fun game to play 
    Your opinion on the matter is now terminally invalid. Skyrim, a game with shit pseudo-fps combat that manages to make MAGIC as simple and boring as archery, can be completely broken with stealth archery, lacks any buildcrafting nuance in its skill trees, and lacks any mechanical nuance in its melee combat does not have better gameplay than the Witcher 3. In fact, it has far, far worse gameplay.
    I thought it had better game play than Witcher 3. But then again, it's exactly what I'm looking for in a fantasy game.

    I don't really care about "nuance" though better AI would help. I like it because it's straightforward.

    You swing a sword and hit. Not to say there wasn't room for improvement or that the trees could have been better but I think too many games get too "foofy" with all the bits and bobs.

    Too flashy, and over the top combat can be fun but it's also immersion breaking for a more "realistic" game.

    But this just comes back to taste which is what the Original Post is. Just taste. No one is ruining anything, people are playing what they like.


    badermal



  • badermalbadermal Member UncommonPosts: 215
    yes and also skyrim let you freely mod  we can almost create anything we can even create witcher 3 in skyrim if modders are good and everything can be made better with mod plus vanilla game itself is good with many things to do than just mainstory 
    Aeander
  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    IMO the worst part of RDR2 is the story (the story is actually great btw). What i mean by that is the most memorable moments you will have in game is when you go off the beaten path and decide to hunt or explore. The story is great and its fun but it can't compare to  the great unknown of what you might encounter just playing around in the sandbox.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,997
    edited November 2018
    badermal said:
    yes and also skyrim let you freely mod  we can almost create anything we can even create witcher 3 in skyrim if modders are good and everything can be made better with mod plus vanilla game itself is good with many things to do than just mainstory 
    Except that no, you can't create the Witcher 3 in Skyrim. Even in a complete fantasy land in which a modder had the time and talent to complete such a monumental undertaking, you wouldn't get the Witcher 3. You'd get a buggy, lesser version of the Witcher 3 crudely plastered onto a buggy, lesser game. And that's before the possibility of copyright issues and potential conflicts with the hundreds or thousands of other mods you'll be running to pretend that Skyrim is a better game than it actually is.
    YashaX
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,486
    Aeander said:
    badermal said:
    yes and also skyrim let you freely mod  we can almost create anything we can even create witcher 3 in skyrim if modders are good and everything can be made better with mod plus vanilla game itself is good with many things to do than just mainstory 
    Except that no, you can't create the Witcher 3 in Skyrim. Even in a complete fantasy land in which a modder had the time and talent to complete such a monumental undertaking, you wouldn't get the Witcher 3. You'd get a buggy, lesser version of the Witcher 3 crudely plastered onto a buggy, lesser game. And that's before the possibility of copyright issues and potential conflicts with the hundreds or thousands of other mods you'll be running to pretend that Skyrim is a better game than it actually is.
    Again, this is all personal preference. If Elder Scrolls games were the only games made I'd be beyond happy.

    But as I said, I play these games for years.

    And while I think the Witcher 3 is a great game, it's not a great game for me. If it was I've had played it through several times by now.

    As it is, I can only play it so much before I get tired of it. Though I do think that for me it's the combat and how Geralt moves. I always feel like I'm fighting to make him go anywhere.


    badermal



  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,486
     Might and Magic X (even though the reviews were bad it's still quite good)
    hmmm Might and Magic X you say ....
    Panther2103



  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 3,908
    thunderC said:
    IMO the worst part of RDR2 is the story (the story is actually great btw). What i mean by that is the most memorable moments you will have in game is when you go off the beaten path and decide to hunt or explore. The story is great and its fun but it can't compare to  the great unknown of what you might encounter just playing around in the sandbox.

  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,997
    edited November 2018
    Sovrath said:
    Aeander said:
    badermal said:
    yes and also skyrim let you freely mod  we can almost create anything we can even create witcher 3 in skyrim if modders are good and everything can be made better with mod plus vanilla game itself is good with many things to do than just mainstory 
    Except that no, you can't create the Witcher 3 in Skyrim. Even in a complete fantasy land in which a modder had the time and talent to complete such a monumental undertaking, you wouldn't get the Witcher 3. You'd get a buggy, lesser version of the Witcher 3 crudely plastered onto a buggy, lesser game. And that's before the possibility of copyright issues and potential conflicts with the hundreds or thousands of other mods you'll be running to pretend that Skyrim is a better game than it actually is.
    Again, this is all personal preference. If Elder Scrolls games were the only games made I'd be beyond happy.

    But as I said, I play these games for years.

    And while I think the Witcher 3 is a great game, it's not a great game for me. If it was I've had played it through several times by now.

    As it is, I can only play it so much before I get tired of it. Though I do think that for me it's the combat and how Geralt moves. I always feel like I'm fighting to make him go anywhere.


    Here's the thing. I'm not talking about your preferences, which are clearly derived from being physically incapable of dealing with action combat for an extended time. And that's cool. You do you, and if there are legitimate physical reasons for that, all the power to you. Hell, my dad can't play almost any action RPG because any fast moving camera can and will make him physically ill, but that doesn't make Kingdoms of Amalur have bad combat, it just makes it unsuitable for him.

    There are objective insufficiences with TES combat. It can be more polished or refined to meet the standards of other first person shooters and first person combat games. But they haven't done the work required to make their magic more interesting or make their archery as satisfying as that in other shooters of Skyrim's time, let alone now. They didn't bother to program AI that can't be completely and universally cheesed by the simple combination of Sneaking and Archery. These aren't flaws in comparison to the Witcher 3, these are just flaws in their own right.
    badermalYashaX
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,486
    edited November 2018
    Aeander said:
    Sovrath said:
    Aeander said:
    badermal said:
    yes and also skyrim let you freely mod  we can almost create anything we can even create witcher 3 in skyrim if modders are good and everything can be made better with mod plus vanilla game itself is good with many things to do than just mainstory 
    Except that no, you can't create the Witcher 3 in Skyrim. Even in a complete fantasy land in which a modder had the time and talent to complete such a monumental undertaking, you wouldn't get the Witcher 3. You'd get a buggy, lesser version of the Witcher 3 crudely plastered onto a buggy, lesser game. And that's before the possibility of copyright issues and potential conflicts with the hundreds or thousands of other mods you'll be running to pretend that Skyrim is a better game than it actually is.
    Again, this is all personal preference. If Elder Scrolls games were the only games made I'd be beyond happy.

    But as I said, I play these games for years.

    And while I think the Witcher 3 is a great game, it's not a great game for me. If it was I've had played it through several times by now.

    As it is, I can only play it so much before I get tired of it. Though I do think that for me it's the combat and how Geralt moves. I always feel like I'm fighting to make him go anywhere.


    Here's the thing. I'm not talking about your preferences, which are clearly derived from being physically incapable of dealing with action combat for an extended time. And that's cool. You do you, and if there are legitimate physical reasons for that, all the power to you. Hell, my dad can't play almost any action RPG because any fast moving camera can and will make him physically ill, but that doesn't make Kingdoms of Amalur have bad combat, it just makes it unsuitable for him.

    There are objective insufficiences with TES combat. It can be more polished or refined to meet the standards of other first person shooters and first person combat games. But they haven't done the work required to make their magic more interesting or make their archery as satisfying as that in other shooters of Skyrim's time, let alone now. They didn't bother to program AI that can't be completely and universally cheesed by the simple combination of Sneaking and Archery. These aren't flaws in comparison to the Witcher 3, these are just flaws in their own right.
    No, I can handle action combat just fine and prefer it.

    I want a game where I swing a sword and raise my shield. Not hit some skill and do something ridiculous. Unless of course I'm playing a ridiculous game. Like many Asian mmo's. Then I adjust to the game.

    So you will have to give an example of a good swords & Sorcery combat game. And don't say Witcher 3.

    And while we are at it, give examples of magic more interesting.

    As far as the archery and sneaking, that was the point. They initially did'n't want it to be so "one shot" but players loved it and felt it was fun and satisfying so they kept it.

    Are there better archery systems? Don't know I haven't played where I've liked the archery so give me an example of that as well.

    It's not about action combat, it's about "fun action combat that feels right"

    So go ahead.

    (I should add that "yes" I could make a list of things that could be improved in skyrim or any Elder Scrolls game but the game play, what draws me and many others, is greater than the sum of its parts)





  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,920
     I really dislike the Interactive Story games ..  Did not like ME because of it or DA , just horrible imo , I do not want to spend more time running up and down a hill between some NPC watching there clips for 7 min to get to 2 minutes of gameplay ..

       As far as W3 , i have no interest in from the videos ive seen , and its Geralt , had enough of him in W 1-2 ....  boring ...

      RDR2 , i may look at if ever comes to PC , but if either are Story Driven Interactive Media more than they are actual games , then they will never see my HD anyhow ..

    badermal
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,997
    edited November 2018
    Sovrath said:
    Aeander said:
    Sovrath said:
    Aeander said:
    badermal said:
    yes and also skyrim let you freely mod  we can almost create anything we can even create witcher 3 in skyrim if modders are good and everything can be made better with mod plus vanilla game itself is good with many things to do than just mainstory 
    Except that no, you can't create the Witcher 3 in Skyrim. Even in a complete fantasy land in which a modder had the time and talent to complete such a monumental undertaking, you wouldn't get the Witcher 3. You'd get a buggy, lesser version of the Witcher 3 crudely plastered onto a buggy, lesser game. And that's before the possibility of copyright issues and potential conflicts with the hundreds or thousands of other mods you'll be running to pretend that Skyrim is a better game than it actually is.
    Again, this is all personal preference. If Elder Scrolls games were the only games made I'd be beyond happy.

    But as I said, I play these games for years.

    And while I think the Witcher 3 is a great game, it's not a great game for me. If it was I've had played it through several times by now.

    As it is, I can only play it so much before I get tired of it. Though I do think that for me it's the combat and how Geralt moves. I always feel like I'm fighting to make him go anywhere.


    Here's the thing. I'm not talking about your preferences, which are clearly derived from being physically incapable of dealing with action combat for an extended time. And that's cool. You do you, and if there are legitimate physical reasons for that, all the power to you. Hell, my dad can't play almost any action RPG because any fast moving camera can and will make him physically ill, but that doesn't make Kingdoms of Amalur have bad combat, it just makes it unsuitable for him.

    There are objective insufficiences with TES combat. It can be more polished or refined to meet the standards of other first person shooters and first person combat games. But they haven't done the work required to make their magic more interesting or make their archery as satisfying as that in other shooters of Skyrim's time, let alone now. They didn't bother to program AI that can't be completely and universally cheesed by the simple combination of Sneaking and Archery. These aren't flaws in comparison to the Witcher 3, these are just flaws in their own right.
    No, I can handle action combat just fine and prefer it.

    I want a game where I swing a sword and raise my shield.
    That's fine. For your benefit, I'd recommend you try the new age Assassin's Creed games - Origins and Odyssey. Their directional blocking is exhilirating.


    Not hit some skill and do something ridiculous. Unless of course I'm playing a ridiculous game. Like many Asian mmo's. Then I adjust to the game.
    That isn't even a valid complaint for the Witcher 3. Outside of the obvious magics, very little he does would be physically ridiculous for a normal human, much less a greatly physically enhanced mutant such as himself.


    So you will have to give an example of a good swords & Sorcery combat game. And don't say Witcher 3.
    Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning, despite its flaws and lacking difficulty. It has a phenomenal action combat system that could very well still be the gold standard for RPG combat.


    And while we are at it, give examples of magic more interesting.
    You mean other than "very nearly every other game with magic ever made?" No, but really. Any quality fantasy MMORPG has more flexible, interesting magic. Hell, Elder Scrolls Online has better magic due to its hotbar allowing for multiple equipped spells and more interesting spell effects. Hell, Two Worlds II, despite being a bad knockoff of Skyrim, has a huge magic-crafting system with custom spells.

    As far as the archery and sneaking, that was the point. They initially did'n't want it to be so "one shot" but players loved it and felt it was fun and satisfying so they kept it.
    The problem isn't the "one shotty" damage. It's the way the braindead AI treats stealth. It isn't even stealth or sneaking, so much as crouching and being basically immune to most detection, including by enemies that you've already shot.


    Are there better archery systems? Don't know I haven't played where I've liked the archery so give me an example of that as well.
    The problem with Skyrim's archery is its lack of impact. It doesn't look, feel, or sound especially impactful, unless you trigger an execution cutscene. This has more to do with the weak sound effects than anything. But in terms of modern archery, I like Monster Hunter World's approach to the bow, which is more impactful, has the devastating Dragon Piercer attack for risky, high damage bursting, and even has quickly swappable arrow types for status effects.

    Admittedly, archery is the most serviceable part of TES combat, with melee and magic being the weaker links.

    It's not about action combat, it's about "fun action combat that feels right"

    So go ahead.

    (I should add that "yes" I could make a list of things that could be improved in skyrim or any Elder Scrolls game but the game play, what draws me and many others, is greater than the sum of its parts)


    In bold. And don't think I'm talking down to you specifically. My problem is solely with the shallow statements and utterly baffling nonsense uttered by the OP. People like him are the reason why games still don't receive the artistic recognition they deserve.
    parpinYashaX
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,486
    edited November 2018
    Aeander said:



    In bold. And don't think I'm talking down to you specifically. My problem is solely with the shallow statements and utterly baffling nonsense uttered by the OP. People like him are the reason why games still don't receive the artistic recognition they deserve.
    I didn't really think Kingdom of Amalur had such a fantastic combat system. It's a good game and I think it's underrated. I think you are talking about the chaining of abilities if you get off a number of shots or that you can have a specific combo if you rush at an enemy?

    Sure, I definitely think the archery could feel more impactful. I had downloaded a mod that alters the sound so it sounds more like a real bow.

    I actually hate Elder Scrolls Online so I can't agree with the magic system. I tend to "hotbar" my magical abilities in skyrim so I can change them on the fly (well, up to 8 slots.

    I don't think the "power" of magic is enough in skyrim. It's something I noticed in the mod I'm making, if someone is a pure mage they will have to have one of the mods that alter magic as they will be at a disadvantage.

    I will have to try those other games to see what their archery is like.



  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 2,956
    edited November 2018
    Interesting train of thought. The next step would be dismissing graphics and sound, production values all together, because it is all about the gameplay and everything else distracts and artificially inflates scores?

    Story is an integral part of a gameplay experience. A good story can make an average game good and a bad story can make a good game average. How much influence story has on the overall experience depends on genre and preference. Games like Forza, Street Fighter, Ninja Gaiden etc. have little use for a good story. Adventures, JRPGs etc. benefit greatly from it.

    A game really isn’t solely about the actual gameplay, we have gone far beyond that. Hellblade is a perfect example, its a good game but the story, and how it is presented, elevate it to an instant classic for me.

    Don’t dismiss stuff so easily just because you don’t see the importance of it OP, different people appreciate different things, they are not less valuable then what you like.

    Oh, and insulting people has never helped furthering a discussion so lets just skip that please...

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 
    NephethYashaX
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • newbismxnewbismx Member UncommonPosts: 170
    edited November 2018
    Scorchien said:
     I really dislike the Interactive Story games ..  Did not like ME because of it or DA , just horrible imo , I do not want to spend more time running up and down a hill between some NPC watching there clips for 7 min to get to 2 minutes of gameplay ..

       As far as W3 , i have no interest in from the videos ive seen , and its Geralt , had enough of him in W 1-2 ....  boring ...

      RDR2 , i may look at if ever comes to PC , but if either are Story Driven Interactive Media more than they are actual games , then they will never see my HD anyhow ..

    RDR2 gives you the best of both worlds-

    There is a story and you will have to get to 'chapter 2' (I think) for most of the open world things to unlock as the things you can do are unlocked by playing the story - Akin to a tutorial of sorts.

    -At that point you can pretty much just play as wild west life simulator... My gameplay loop mostly consisted of exploring and setting up a camp and spending days hunting and fishing, filling my horses with pelts and meat and then heading to town to spend a few days selling, gambling and doing 'town stuff'- On the way I would get caught up in a myriad of random events that I sometimes would get tied up in... It was amazing (although it probably doesnt sound like it)-

    The random events (depending on how you handle them) could end up leading to branching things and characters who will recur in your game until the end- One of the most touching moments (that nearly made me cry) was merely a scene that happened at the end that only happened because I helped a certain person out earlier in the game... I could have totally not had that happen if I hadnt run across that particular instance (hard to discuss without spoilers) but it was amazing the depth that opens up even if its illusion...It was amazing so much time and attention was put into an event that many people would never see and i'm sure I missed a ton as well.

    I played with other mechanics like train, store and bank robbery but I preferred to just live a simple life in the woods.

    But...The story- Its great and always there waiting for you and...man (do NOT read spoilers) its fantastic outside of a few questionable things or parts that seemed tacked on just to make it more 'action-y'.

    RDR2 is open world done right and has the best of all worlds since you can pretty much ignore the open world and just run the story or you could ignore the story and just 'live' (although you will run out of things to do eventually)..I enjoyed both immensely.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,997
    lahnmir said:
    Interesting train of thought. The next step would be dismissing graphics and sound, production values all together, because it is all about the gameplay and everything else distracts and artificially inflates scores?

    Story is an integral part of a gameplay experience. A good story can make an average game good and a bad story can make a good game average. How much influence story has on the overall experience depends on genre and preference. Games like Forza, Street Fighter, Ninja Gaiden etc. have little use for a good story. Adventures, JRPGs etc. benefit greatly from it.

    A game really isn’t solely about the actual gameplay, we have gone far beyond that. Hellblade is a perfect example, its a good game but the story, and how it is presented, elevate it to an instant classic for me.

    Don’t dismiss stuff so easily just because you don’t see the importance of it OP, different people appreciate different things, they are not less valuable then what you like.

    Oh, and insulting people has never helped furthering a discussion so lets just skip that please...

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 
    I mostly agree with this. However, when you say that games like Street Fighter have little use for a story, I have to disagree. The story mode in Injustice 2 elevates it from a good fighting game to a great one (and the wealth of single player multiverses and gear progression elevate the game even further from a value proposition standpoint.) Sure, none of this matters if all you're doing is online and tournament play, but the average non-pro user is going to get a lot of value from these things.

    Also, "good story" can be subjective to genre. The Subspace Emissary of Super Smash Bros Brawl fame isn't a narratively good story, but it does add a great deal of fanservice, content, and fun to make Brawl one of the most content dense, memorable casual fighting games ever made. It is so influential, in fact, that the longest work of English literature ever made is a Super Smash Bros brawl fanfiction.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 2,956
    Aeander said:
    lahnmir said:
    Interesting train of thought. The next step would be dismissing graphics and sound, production values all together, because it is all about the gameplay and everything else distracts and artificially inflates scores?

    Story is an integral part of a gameplay experience. A good story can make an average game good and a bad story can make a good game average. How much influence story has on the overall experience depends on genre and preference. Games like Forza, Street Fighter, Ninja Gaiden etc. have little use for a good story. Adventures, JRPGs etc. benefit greatly from it.

    A game really isn’t solely about the actual gameplay, we have gone far beyond that. Hellblade is a perfect example, its a good game but the story, and how it is presented, elevate it to an instant classic for me.

    Don’t dismiss stuff so easily just because you don’t see the importance of it OP, different people appreciate different things, they are not less valuable then what you like.

    Oh, and insulting people has never helped furthering a discussion so lets just skip that please...

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir 
    I mostly agree with this. However, when you say that games like Street Fighter have little use for a story, I have to disagree. The story mode in Injustice 2 elevates it from a good fighting game to a great one (and the wealth of single player multiverses and gear progression elevate the game even further from a value proposition standpoint.) Sure, none of this matters if all you're doing is online and tournament play, but the average non-pro user is going to get a lot of value from these things.

    Also, "good story" can be subjective to genre. The Subspace Emissary of Super Smash Bros Brawl fame isn't a narratively good story, but it does add a great deal of fanservice, content, and fun to make Brawl one of the most content dense, memorable casual fighting games ever made. It is so influential, in fact, that the longest work of English literature ever made is a Super Smash Bros brawl fanfiction.
    Agree, thats why I also mentioned preference as a factor besides genre  ;)

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,322
    TEKK3N said:
    badermal said:
    All the witcher 3 and Red dead 2 fans  are movie freaks who started gaming? they really dont care about gameplay at all only story graphics character and voice it is what they care?  when their game fails hardly on gameplay  and combat system 

    do our gaming get ruined by these fans? who just say the game is best ever made cause it has story
    I don't know about Red Dead, but Witcher 3 is just a good game.
    It is an RPG, and there 2 main type of RPGs:
    1) Story driven (Witcher, Dragon Age)
    2) Sandboxy (Fallout 4, Skyrim)

    Both types can be good or bad.
    The Witcher, Dragon Age, Fallout and TES, are good games regardless of which category they belong to.
    Exactly. We only prefer some over others. I, for example, much prefer games that are Story Driven. Because I am not really a fan of Sandbox mentality. Maybe it is because I grew up with Mario, Crash, Spyro etc. I simply didn't play in the sand enough. I always liked having clear goals. Which doesn't mean Sandbox games are bad - far from it. I just devalue them because I like having structure.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,997
    Gorwe said:
    TEKK3N said:
    badermal said:
    All the witcher 3 and Red dead 2 fans  are movie freaks who started gaming? they really dont care about gameplay at all only story graphics character and voice it is what they care?  when their game fails hardly on gameplay  and combat system 

    do our gaming get ruined by these fans? who just say the game is best ever made cause it has story
    I don't know about Red Dead, but Witcher 3 is just a good game.
    It is an RPG, and there 2 main type of RPGs:
    1) Story driven (Witcher, Dragon Age)
    2) Sandboxy (Fallout 4, Skyrim)

    Both types can be good or bad.
    The Witcher, Dragon Age, Fallout and TES, are good games regardless of which category they belong to.
    Exactly. We only prefer some over others. I, for example, much prefer games that are Story Driven. Because I am not really a fan of Sandbox mentality. Maybe it is because I grew up with Mario, Crash, Spyro etc. I simply didn't play in the sand enough. I always liked having clear goals. Which doesn't mean Sandbox games are bad - far from it. I just devalue them because I like having structure.
    I've gotten tired of open worlds through overexposure. If it's a really high quality one, I may find value in it, but I've recently been craving memorable linear games (like God of War 2018).
    YashaX
  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    Witcher 3 IS one of the best games ever. I've never played Red Dead. Now stop the insults. You not liking it doesn't make them bad, it makes it your opinion. Most of the rest of the world disagree with you.
    YashaX
  • NibsNibs Member UncommonPosts: 287
    badermal said:
    @nibs ; for read dead i might agree that it may some gameplay but still i cant find anything intersting to do than hunting mission poker and same repeated events like same guy asking for same help which gets boring at some point 
    and for witcher 3 you may like it but as the gameplay is not really fun than mission and few side quest so after beating game  there is nothing to do unlike skyrim and witcher 3 is also called as open world but nothing in it than few side missions and gwent but thats personal opinion 
    I'm sorry, I must have missed the memo naming you Arbiter of Fun.

    Some people find hunting, missions, and poker fun. You clearly aren't one of them, so move on.

    Some people find mountain climbing, base jumping, and skateboarding fun; I don't. But I don't think they're any way ruining the forms of entertainment I do enjoy.

    Following your logic, one could argue that people that enjoy battle royale or 5v5 arena games fun are ruining gaming. There's nothing to do in them but kill each other. Or CCG games are ruining games because blah blah blah.

    Do you think rom coms are ruining the movie industry? Or sit coms are ruining TV? How about Family Fued? Is that ruining game shows?
    alkarionlog
  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,013
    Those that can't see beyond their own preferences are the ones that ruins gaming.
    Torvallaserit
    The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
  • slowpoke68slowpoke68 Member UncommonPosts: 541
    I haven't played RDR as I don't own a console.  If it comes to PC I do plan on trying it.  I got both the Witcher 1 and 2 free with video card purchases but couldn't get into either.  Because of that I didn't play 3.  Not saying they are bad games, just didn't grab me personally.  

    I have no problem with, and in fact enjoy, rich stories in single player games, but I think OP has a point as to mmos.  The first game I remember being a really story based mmo was Age of Conan and I don't like the trend is set off in a lot of other multiplayer games.


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  • kertinkertin Member UncommonPosts: 221
    RDR 2 had a good story? Ahaaaa...
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