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Fallout 76 you cannot get a refund even if you wanted one

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,067
    https://segmentnext.com/2018/11/26/fallout-76-arent-eligible-for-a-refund-bethesda/

    One thing puzzled me and I think this should be looked into. Seems a circumvention of sorts to the protection afforded.

    ''According to Bethesda’s return policy UK and EU customers:

    If you want to download digital content within the 30-day cancelation period, you must agree to waive your cancelation rights.

    So under these circumstances what exactly can you do to get your money back? ''

    Chamber of Chains
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  
    Yes, the magical vocal minority with the power of making shares drop and companies re-shift their direction and close entire clients down.

    If a vocal minority has that much power, sign me up with them.

    Dear Vocal Minority Illuminati,

    Please whine me a mature audience, non immersion breaking, open world Dune MMORPG with interplanetary travel that's based on a mashup of Jordowsky and Lynchs visuals with Dennis Villenueve direction. Stories and concepts must adhere to Frank Herbert writings (up to God Emporer).

    Sincerely,
    Me

    P.S. Soundtrack composed by the remaining members of Toto produced by Brian Eno
    Here class is a clear example of what is wrong with video games.  It's not developers or games it's people like this.  

    Stocks dropping have nothing to do with a bunch of grow ass babies crying about video games.  Tech stocks have been taking a beating.  These companies are still selling MILLIONS OF GAMES while a few loser bitch and moan nonstop on the internet.  

    MILLIONS buying games>A few grown ass losers crying on the internet.  

    Even if they miss their sales target.  You are still the minority and you are still the problem in video games today.  
    No, all signs point to a severely poor reception for FO76, including sales.  It's just a poor effort.

    The vocal minority of this game seems to be the ones enjoying it, not the ones criticizing it.
    Phaserlight

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  • ItstimetodealItstimetodeal Member UncommonPosts: 284
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it , I'm NOT defending it, I'm not sayings it's good I'm just stating the facts about the destructive vocal minority.  

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    MadFrenchie
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.

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  • ItstimetodealItstimetodeal Member UncommonPosts: 284
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
  • ItstimetodealItstimetodeal Member UncommonPosts: 284
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  
    Yes, the magical vocal minority with the power of making shares drop and companies re-shift their direction and close entire clients down.

    If a vocal minority has that much power, sign me up with them.

    Dear Vocal Minority Illuminati,

    Please whine me a mature audience, non immersion breaking, open world Dune MMORPG with interplanetary travel that's based on a mashup of Jordowsky and Lynchs visuals with Dennis Villenueve direction. Stories and concepts must adhere to Frank Herbert writings (up to God Emporer).

    Sincerely,
    Me

    P.S. Soundtrack composed by the remaining members of Toto produced by Brian Eno
    Here class is a clear example of what is wrong with video games.  It's not developers or games it's people like this.  

    Stocks dropping have nothing to do with a bunch of grow ass babies crying about video games.  Tech stocks have been taking a beating.  These companies are still selling MILLIONS OF GAMES while a few loser bitch and moan nonstop on the internet.  

    MILLIONS buying games>A few grown ass losers crying on the internet.  

    Even if they miss their sales target.  You are still the minority and you are still the problem in video games today.  
    No, all signs point to a severely poor reception for FO76, including sales.  It's just a poor effort.

    The vocal minority of this game seems to be the ones enjoying it, not the ones criticizing it.
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,067
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
    http://www.pushsquare.com/games/ps4/fallout_76

    The game is rated 3/10 on the page you linked . Very convincing indeed. That's their review not the user ... hilarious. Did you read what you linked? Read slower next time.
    MadFrenchieNilden
    Chamber of Chains
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  
    Yes, the magical vocal minority with the power of making shares drop and companies re-shift their direction and close entire clients down.

    If a vocal minority has that much power, sign me up with them.

    Dear Vocal Minority Illuminati,

    Please whine me a mature audience, non immersion breaking, open world Dune MMORPG with interplanetary travel that's based on a mashup of Jordowsky and Lynchs visuals with Dennis Villenueve direction. Stories and concepts must adhere to Frank Herbert writings (up to God Emporer).

    Sincerely,
    Me

    P.S. Soundtrack composed by the remaining members of Toto produced by Brian Eno
    Here class is a clear example of what is wrong with video games.  It's not developers or games it's people like this.  

    Stocks dropping have nothing to do with a bunch of grow ass babies crying about video games.  Tech stocks have been taking a beating.  These companies are still selling MILLIONS OF GAMES while a few loser bitch and moan nonstop on the internet.  

    MILLIONS buying games>A few grown ass losers crying on the internet.  

    Even if they miss their sales target.  You are still the minority and you are still the problem in video games today.  
    No, all signs point to a severely poor reception for FO76, including sales.  It's just a poor effort.

    The vocal minority of this game seems to be the ones enjoying it, not the ones criticizing it.
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing
    No, dude, you're ignoring reality.  The reception to this game has been damn near Duke Nukem Forever level.  Compare the critical reception.  There's no assumption there.  It's a bad game.

    Your crusade to belittle folks on the internet is boring and wrong.

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  • ItstimetodealItstimetodeal Member UncommonPosts: 284
    cheyane said:
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
    http://www.pushsquare.com/games/ps4/fallout_76

    The game is rated 3/10 on the page you linked . Very convincing indeed.
    My comments were not on it's bad reviews.  Just those crying on the internet and running to every corner of the internet to jump on the bandwagon to cry about a video game and post negative reviews are the minority.  

    The vocal minority is a cancer to video games. They think they have this super power to change a industry that continues to increase sales every year.  They cheer when EA stock falls but to remain silent when it goes back up and surpasses its previous high a week or two after their crusade.  They claim victory when a year later EA stock falls but miss almost EVERY MAJOR TECH STOCK IS FALLING. 

    The vocal minority is the single largest problem with video games today and to be honest the biggest danger to video games ever.  They don't care about games they just have a desperate need to feel included and jump on whatever bandwagon is coming through town.  They are a cancer plain and simple. 
    MadFrenchie
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    TEKK3N said:
    OG_Zorvan said:

    Bethesda has hopefully learned a valuable lesson: stay in your own lane. There's a reason Zenimax made Zenimax Online Studios for ESO instead of letting Bethesda Game Studios do it. Hopefully, Howard and Hines get reigned in by the Zenimax board after this.

    I disagree.
    Howard and Hines are the people who made Bethesda (and Zenimax). They are the creatives.
    Without them there would be no Bethesda since they almost went bust before releasing Morrowind (Howard), which was a huge success.
    If anything they should be given more freedom to do what they like.
    It's Zenimax that lay the rules, not Bethesda.
    Zenimax told Bethesda that the market craved Survival games, so it 'recommended' that they make one.
    Same for Blizzard/Activision which told Blizzard Entertainment to make a Diablo Mobile game, because marketing said there was a big market, and they needed to get into that market.

    No, this stinker, smells too much of marketing ploy, something all big corporations are guilty of, and something I keep complaining about.

    Big decisions are taken by bean counters these days, I don't think that's the way to go for gaming companies.
    I don't think you have any idea who Hines is. He's not a "creative" unless you consider being a spin doctor a creative thing. He's the VP of marketing and PR for Zenimax media and he doesn't have a development background.

    He's a writer of technical stuff and the closest he has ever gotten to creating for games was in the old game box days when he used to write the manuals.
    Phaserlight
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    cheyane said:
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
    http://www.pushsquare.com/games/ps4/fallout_76

    The game is rated 3/10 on the page you linked . Very convincing indeed.
    My comments were not on it's bad reviews.  Just those crying on the internet and running to every corner of the internet to jump on the bandwagon to cry about a video game and post negative reviews are the minority.  

    The vocal minority is a cancer to video games. They think they have this super power to change a industry that continues to increase sales every year.  They cheer when EA stock falls but to remain silent when it goes back up and surpasses its previous high a week or two after their crusade.  They claim victory when a year later EA stock falls but miss almost EVERY MAJOR TECH STOCK IS FALLING. 

    The vocal minority is the single largest problem with video games today and to be honest the biggest danger to video games ever.  They don't care about games they just have a desperate need to feel included and jump on whatever bandwagon is coming through town.  They are a cancer plain and simple. 
    If you're trying to make the case that there will always be a portion of gamers who dislike a title or who like to jump on the hate wagon at the first sign of trouble, you're picking the wrong hill to die on here.

    FO76 isn't an example of nitpicking gone off the rails.  It's an example of a truly poor title being released and sold for a full $60 price tag.  The critical reviews, relative sales to FO4, and general user reviews paint a clear picture.

    It's not unplayable, but the general consensus has been it's highly disappointing.

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  • ItstimetodealItstimetodeal Member UncommonPosts: 284
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  
    Yes, the magical vocal minority with the power of making shares drop and companies re-shift their direction and close entire clients down.

    If a vocal minority has that much power, sign me up with them.

    Dear Vocal Minority Illuminati,

    Please whine me a mature audience, non immersion breaking, open world Dune MMORPG with interplanetary travel that's based on a mashup of Jordowsky and Lynchs visuals with Dennis Villenueve direction. Stories and concepts must adhere to Frank Herbert writings (up to God Emporer).

    Sincerely,
    Me

    P.S. Soundtrack composed by the remaining members of Toto produced by Brian Eno
    Here class is a clear example of what is wrong with video games.  It's not developers or games it's people like this.  

    Stocks dropping have nothing to do with a bunch of grow ass babies crying about video games.  Tech stocks have been taking a beating.  These companies are still selling MILLIONS OF GAMES while a few loser bitch and moan nonstop on the internet.  

    MILLIONS buying games>A few grown ass losers crying on the internet.  

    Even if they miss their sales target.  You are still the minority and you are still the problem in video games today.  
    No, all signs point to a severely poor reception for FO76, including sales.  It's just a poor effort.

    The vocal minority of this game seems to be the ones enjoying it, not the ones criticizing it.
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing
    No, dude, you're ignoring reality.  The reception to this game has been damn near Duke Nukem Forever level.  Compare the critical reception.  There's no assumption there.  It's a bad game.

    Your crusade to belittle folks on the internet is boring and wrong.
    It may be the worse game since the bandwagon jumped on Battlefront I'm not denying that.  I'm just saying those who bought it outnumber those crying on the internet.  That's just a simple fact.  
    alkarionlog
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,067
    As for refunds I suggest for those of you who desire one and are being frustrated by Bethesda doing what this chap from Norway did in this Reddit thread.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/a0emsl/heard_bethesda_was_issuing_refunds_for_fallout_76/

    Towards the bottom of the thread here I will quote it.

    'I am in Norway and i am very well protected when it comes to these consumer laws and i still had my first refund request denied. Therefore i requested another one via an incredibly harsh email and gave them a piece of my mind. In which i pointed out what they were doing was illegal, how i got a faulty product and how i didn't get what was advertised. They changed their tune quickly after that and got that request granted almost immediately. (This was on monday a week ago and i had my money back in my account by thursday afternoon).

    Send them an email explicitly stating why you are unhappy. If that doesn't work, try again. Maybe even flaunting the idea that you will report them to some relevant board or authorities will do the trick or even threaten to send the entire email chain to Yong Yea or something for it to be even more of a PR disaster. Their company policy is not above the law and they are purposfully keeping consumers in the dark. It's the same shitty practice as them not sending out review copies to outlets so most people that bought in on the hype go in blind at launch.'

    Octagon7711
    Chamber of Chains
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    edited November 2018
    Iselin said:
    TEKK3N said:

    I don't think you have any idea who Hines is. He's not a "creative" unless you consider being a spin doctor a creative thing. He's the VP of marketing and PR for Zenimax media and he doesn't have a development background.

    He's a writer of technical stuff and the closest he has ever gotten to creating for games was in the old game box days when he used to write the manuals.
    You are correct.
    I was wrong labeling both as creatives.

    But I always considered them as a double act, though it's true that the real creative is Howard even though he doesn't directly design the games anymore.
    In fact most of the major Bethesda games are designed by Emil Pagliarulo, who is both writer and designer of the Fallout and TES series.

    My point though was that major decisions are made by Zenimax. Bethesda executes them as best as they can.
    I think Todd Howard would rather focus on TES 6 or Starfield, rather than a game like 76.
    76 needed to fill a gap in Zenimax market strategy, I don't think that's the type of game Howard is comfortable with.

    76 should have been handed to Zenimax Online, which is more familiar with the multiplayer format, and did a decent job with ESO.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 31,937
    Iselin said:
    TEKK3N said:
    OG_Zorvan said:

    Bethesda has hopefully learned a valuable lesson: stay in your own lane. There's a reason Zenimax made Zenimax Online Studios for ESO instead of letting Bethesda Game Studios do it. Hopefully, Howard and Hines get reigned in by the Zenimax board after this.

    I disagree.
    Howard and Hines are the people who made Bethesda (and Zenimax). They are the creatives.
    Without them there would be no Bethesda since they almost went bust before releasing Morrowind (Howard), which was a huge success.
    If anything they should be given more freedom to do what they like.
    It's Zenimax that lay the rules, not Bethesda.
    Zenimax told Bethesda that the market craved Survival games, so it 'recommended' that they make one.
    Same for Blizzard/Activision which told Blizzard Entertainment to make a Diablo Mobile game, because marketing said there was a big market, and they needed to get into that market.

    No, this stinker, smells too much of marketing ploy, something all big corporations are guilty of, and something I keep complaining about.

    Big decisions are taken by bean counters these days, I don't think that's the way to go for gaming companies.
    I don't think you have any idea who Hines is. He's not a "creative" unless you consider being a spin doctor a creative thing. He's the VP of marketing and PR for Zenimax media and he doesn't have a development background.

    He's a writer of technical stuff and the closest he has ever gotten to creating for games was in the old game box days when he used to write the manuals.
    I think he did more than just manuals. If the wikipedia page is correct he was a "designer" for a lot of their earlier games.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 4,056
    "...even if you wanted one"

    Why would I get a refund if I did not want one?
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    Viper482 said:
    "...even if you wanted one"

    Why would I get a refund if I did not want one?
    It took 5 page comments to figure out, that something was wrong with that title :)
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    TEKK3N said:
    OG_Zorvan said:

    Bethesda has hopefully learned a valuable lesson: stay in your own lane. There's a reason Zenimax made Zenimax Online Studios for ESO instead of letting Bethesda Game Studios do it. Hopefully, Howard and Hines get reigned in by the Zenimax board after this.

    I disagree.
    Howard and Hines are the people who made Bethesda (and Zenimax). They are the creatives.
    Without them there would be no Bethesda since they almost went bust before releasing Morrowind (Howard), which was a huge success.
    If anything they should be given more freedom to do what they like.
    It's Zenimax that lay the rules, not Bethesda.
    Zenimax told Bethesda that the market craved Survival games, so it 'recommended' that they make one.
    Same for Blizzard/Activision which told Blizzard Entertainment to make a Diablo Mobile game, because marketing said there was a big market, and they needed to get into that market.

    No, this stinker, smells too much of marketing ploy, something all big corporations are guilty of, and something I keep complaining about.

    Big decisions are taken by bean counters these days, I don't think that's the way to go for gaming companies.
    I don't think you have any idea who Hines is. He's not a "creative" unless you consider being a spin doctor a creative thing. He's the VP of marketing and PR for Zenimax media and he doesn't have a development background.

    He's a writer of technical stuff and the closest he has ever gotten to creating for games was in the old game box days when he used to write the manuals.
    I think he did more than just manuals. If the wikipedia page is correct he was a "designer" for a lot of their earlier games.
    Nope.

    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Pete_Hines

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    YearTitleCredited as/for
    2008Fallout 3PR and marketing
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    2017Fallout: The Board GamePlaytester
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    cheyane said:
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
    http://www.pushsquare.com/games/ps4/fallout_76

    The game is rated 3/10 on the page you linked . Very convincing indeed.
    My comments were not on it's bad reviews.  Just those crying on the internet and running to every corner of the internet to jump on the bandwagon to cry about a video game and post negative reviews are the minority.  

    The vocal minority is a cancer to video games. They think they have this super power to change a industry that continues to increase sales every year.  They cheer when EA stock falls but to remain silent when it goes back up and surpasses its previous high a week or two after their crusade.  They claim victory when a year later EA stock falls but miss almost EVERY MAJOR TECH STOCK IS FALLING. 

    The vocal minority is the single largest problem with video games today and to be honest the biggest danger to video games ever.  They don't care about games they just have a desperate need to feel included and jump on whatever bandwagon is coming through town.  They are a cancer plain and simple. 
    Everybody jumped on the bandwagon to make the game drop to $35.

    The vocal minority illuminati strikes again.


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  • ItstimetodealItstimetodeal Member UncommonPosts: 284
    edited November 2018
    cheyane said:
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
    http://www.pushsquare.com/games/ps4/fallout_76

    The game is rated 3/10 on the page you linked . Very convincing indeed.
    My comments were not on it's bad reviews.  Just those crying on the internet and running to every corner of the internet to jump on the bandwagon to cry about a video game and post negative reviews are the minority.  

    The vocal minority is a cancer to video games. They think they have this super power to change a industry that continues to increase sales every year.  They cheer when EA stock falls but to remain silent when it goes back up and surpasses its previous high a week or two after their crusade.  They claim victory when a year later EA stock falls but miss almost EVERY MAJOR TECH STOCK IS FALLING. 

    The vocal minority is the single largest problem with video games today and to be honest the biggest danger to video games ever.  They don't care about games they just have a desperate need to feel included and jump on whatever bandwagon is coming through town.  They are a cancer plain and simple. 
    Everybody jumped on the bandwagon to make the game drop to $35.

    The vocal minority illuminati strikes again.


    The cancers to video games are still the vocal minority pal. 

    Btw tough guy it's a Black Friday/ cyber Monday sale.  Better luck next time.  Its pretty sad how important you actually think your crying about a video game is.  

    "Fallout 76 has only just been released, and while its recommended going rate was £49 you can already find it at Black Friday discounts from Currys on Xbox and PS4. Explore the wasteland as a survivor of a nuclear apocalypse and play with friends online in the Fallout universe for the first time."
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,067
    https://screenrant.com/fallout-4-sales-records/

    3 days after Fallout 4 came out. The article is dated November 13th and Fallout 4 came out on the 10th. We should be seeing news like this on Fallout 76 pretty soon too  >:)
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited November 2018
    cheyane said:
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
    http://www.pushsquare.com/games/ps4/fallout_76

    The game is rated 3/10 on the page you linked . Very convincing indeed.
    My comments were not on it's bad reviews.  Just those crying on the internet and running to every corner of the internet to jump on the bandwagon to cry about a video game and post negative reviews are the minority.  

    The vocal minority is a cancer to video games. They think they have this super power to change a industry that continues to increase sales every year.  They cheer when EA stock falls but to remain silent when it goes back up and surpasses its previous high a week or two after their crusade.  They claim victory when a year later EA stock falls but miss almost EVERY MAJOR TECH STOCK IS FALLING. 

    The vocal minority is the single largest problem with video games today and to be honest the biggest danger to video games ever.  They don't care about games they just have a desperate need to feel included and jump on whatever bandwagon is coming through town.  They are a cancer plain and simple. 
    Everybody jumped on the bandwagon to make the game drop to $35.

    The vocal minority illuminati strikes again.


    The cancers to video games are still the vocal minority pal. 

    Btw tough guy it's a Black Friday/ cyber Monday sale.  Better luck next time.  Its pretty sad how important you actually think your crying about a video game is.  

    "Fallout 76 has only just been released, and while its recommended going rate was £49 you can already find it at Black Friday discounts from Currys on Xbox and PS4. Explore the wasteland as a survivor of a nuclear apocalypse and play with friends online in the Fallout universe for the first time."
    For comparison, the best deal you can seemingly get for RDR2 for Black Friday/Cyber Monday was a PS4 bundle deal.

    Brand spankin new titles usually don't enjoy 50% discounts, even during Black Friday/Cyber Monday.

    From GameStop:

    "New Black Friday deals are coming around the clock, and one such example was Red Dead Redemption 2 for only $45 on Xbox One. That's unfortunate sold out now, but we'll continue to look out for additional details as Cyber Monday draws near . . .

    . . . 
    For now, the best Black Friday Red Dead Redemption 2 deals are available through the Xbox Store and PlayStation Store. The normally $80 Special Edition is being lowered to around $70 for Black Friday. The Special Edition comes with the base game, as well as a bank robbery mission and gang hideout, Dappled Black Thoroughbred horse, talisman and medallion in-game bonuses, boosts, cash discounts, the Nuevo Paraiso Gunslinger outfit, and several free weapons. The even more expensive Ultimate edition drops to $90 on both platforms. As of this writing, you'll need an Xbox Live Gold membership to take advantage of the Xbox pricing."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/red-dead-2-deals-black-friday-best-places-to-buy-t/1100-6463318/


    The comparison tells a pretty compelling story about the relative qualities and reception of the titles.

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,071
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
    That is an eyebrow-raisingly low Metacritic score, even for a site that tends to be negatively biased.  Are you saying FO76 was review-bombed?

    Your anecdote about the number of people buying the game versus the number of people "screaming" on the internet isn't useful.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,824
    Iselin said:
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    TEKK3N said:
    OG_Zorvan said:

    Bethesda has hopefully learned a valuable lesson: stay in your own lane. There's a reason Zenimax made Zenimax Online Studios for ESO instead of letting Bethesda Game Studios do it. Hopefully, Howard and Hines get reigned in by the Zenimax board after this.

    I disagree.
    Howard and Hines are the people who made Bethesda (and Zenimax). They are the creatives.
    Without them there would be no Bethesda since they almost went bust before releasing Morrowind (Howard), which was a huge success.
    If anything they should be given more freedom to do what they like.
    It's Zenimax that lay the rules, not Bethesda.
    Zenimax told Bethesda that the market craved Survival games, so it 'recommended' that they make one.
    Same for Blizzard/Activision which told Blizzard Entertainment to make a Diablo Mobile game, because marketing said there was a big market, and they needed to get into that market.

    No, this stinker, smells too much of marketing ploy, something all big corporations are guilty of, and something I keep complaining about.

    Big decisions are taken by bean counters these days, I don't think that's the way to go for gaming companies.
    I don't think you have any idea who Hines is. He's not a "creative" unless you consider being a spin doctor a creative thing. He's the VP of marketing and PR for Zenimax media and he doesn't have a development background.

    He's a writer of technical stuff and the closest he has ever gotten to creating for games was in the old game box days when he used to write the manuals.
    I think he did more than just manuals. If the wikipedia page is correct he was a "designer" for a lot of their earlier games.
    Nope.

    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Pete_Hines
    Yet another game led by someone whose only experience is PR and marketing, who would have thought that possible from a gaming studio?
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    DMKano said:
    Man... I am certainly not aligned with the vast majority of gamers on this one.  I'm actually having a ton of fun with the game.


    Umm you are the majority though.  Those screaming and crying are always the vocal minority.   I can guarantee there are more people buying games then crying on forums like this.  

    This is another example of gamers being the problem today not developers.  You have a guy bragging he played the game for hours and then requested a refund.  


    Just not the case with Fallout 76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/fallout-76

    https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/fallout-76


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/11/23/after-a-historically-bad-launch-is-fallout-76-worth-saving/#6599c169320f

    https://wccftech.com/fallout-76-sold-less-fallout-4/



    Metacritic has been a cesspool for a long time. It's hard to gauge anything especially on a title like Fallout 76 with the social media backlash.  Let me clarify I dont play it I'm just stating the facts.

    It's safe to say a lot of the negative reviews are duplicate.  Even if they are not there are a total of 5000 negative reviews.  

    This site has generated 94 comments again many are from the same posters so maybe 40-50 unique posters? 

    The game was the # 3 seller in RETAIL (DIGITAL NOT INCLUDED) in the UK.

    Just in Japan and only on the PS4 it sold 74,000 RETAIL copies.

    With the release of the new Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch we weren't expecting much from the rest of the software charts, and for the most part that's true. However, it's well worth highlighting Fallout 76, which managed to move a surprisingly decent 73,000 copies on PlayStation 4 and land in second place.

    Just looking at one platform in one country you are still the minority.   

    More people bought the game then who are screaming on the internet.   Those are the facts.  

    The vocal minority is the biggest problem in video games today.  
    The number of assumptions you make under the guise of facts is unconvincing.
    No assumption pal...the numbers are all there. Read slower next time.  
    That is an eyebrow-raisingly low Metacritic score, even for a site that tends to be negatively biased.  Are you saying FO76 was review-bombed?

    Your anecdote about the number of people buying the game versus the number of people "screaming" on the internet isn't useful.
    Metacritic critic review aggregates aren't even negatively biased.  It sits around 50 percent, which is terribad, quite frankly.

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