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Linda 'Brasse' Carlson Now Working with Visionary Realms on Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    So when an entity is running a thing into the ground, the people the thing affects are low life hate brigadeers and the person/people in charge of sugar coating it are the saints. Even when the entities fall apart from their own failures and mismanagement (that the short bus stupids were right about).

    Well at least I understand how the US works in 2018. Gilfolyle is on to something. :D
    Nope. When a company continues to shoot itself in the foot as Trion did very badly with Archeage and a bit less badly with rift its quite understandable that some fans are going to have both concern and bruised feelings about it. No issue there. However when some of these individuals take their complaints to DEFCON 1 and just try to ruin the game and community for the people that are still having a good time it becomes farce.

    Its one thing to get pissed off, demand your money back, and leave the theater never to return. And/or write angry letters to the studio manager or the film director. Its another to keep paying to go to the fucking movie and make a complete asshole of yourself the entire time to try to ruin the film for as many other people as possible just because you think your pain is something special. That's exactly what some obsessive dickheads did with the Rift classic server and its forums and it was absolutely fucking ridiculous.
    I agree. When I've had it with a company/game I remove myself from their forums, uninstall, and put them in my snarky joke bag for each time I see their name elswhere.

    Where I disagree is the perceived volume. If the sweethearts were the majority those studios would still be functional and not have negative stigma that follows their leadership folks.

    Tough business.
    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,325
    edited November 2018
    When your job is to bullshit in public to your customers, and you get debunked twice (fault of your own or not) it doesn't matter if you were doing your job. It's a stock drop. That's why doing anything public relations related has to have integrity checks because yours is on the line too.  Especially when it's recognizable. That's part of the game.

    It doesn't matter if they're great people, raise their kids right, cook pies, cosplay, and go to church every Sunday.
    Nonsense.

    If you are hired by a company to liaise between the company and the customers then you still work for the company and you are told what to do.

    This is a "gamer thing" because gamers think it's all a club and everyone is "doing it for the gaming" and then they get surprised when companies act like companies.

    I guarantee that all companies that have community managers are going to have people who are going to do what the company wants them to.

    These Community Managers aren't going to rush to the forums and say "run while you can!"

    Because that will NOT get you a job in any future companies as a community manager/public relations person.

    It's not her fault that she worked for companies that people didn't like and that made bad decisions.
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  • MensurMensur Member RarePosts: 852
    Sovrath said:
    Mensur said:
    What is she doing there? Man I really didnt like her. She did a shit job at Trion.
    yeah but why?

    I can't find anything really negative.
    No problem, I will explain my self brother. Maybe I should have done that in the first comment but here it goes.

    Remember ArcheAge? She litterealy didnt do anything to combat the issues they had- she even endorsed the forum BAN policy on negative feedback.

    It just seems that people quickly forgot how she acted. If she really is that good and good for the community then why does Trion Worlds have such a bad community and feedback loop.

    Those are the reasons why I dont like her. I might be wrong but there they are.

    I also think that part of my salt towards her, is the fact that she joined Pantheon- and I am a huge fan of that game and have backed them since early days. 

    I hope I am wrong on this one.


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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,778
    Mensur said:
    Sovrath said:
    Mensur said:
    What is she doing there? Man I really didnt like her. She did a shit job at Trion.
    yeah but why?

    I can't find anything really negative.
    No problem, I will explain my self brother. Maybe I should have done that in the first comment but here it goes.

    Remember ArcheAge? She litterealy didnt do anything to combat the issues they had- she even endorsed the forum BAN policy on negative feedback.

    It just seems that people quickly forgot how she acted. If she really is that good and good for the community then why does Trion Worlds have such a bad community and feedback loop.

    Those are the reasons why I dont like her. I might be wrong but there they are.

    I also think that part of my salt towards her, is the fact that she joined Pantheon- and I am a huge fan of that game and have backed them since early days. 

    I hope I am wrong on this one.


    That's her job. It's a shitty community and a huge cesspool. Notice it's not any better even after she left. She's not the problem. The low lifes who play the game are.
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Sovrath said:
    When your job is to bullshit in public to your customers, and you get debunked twice (fault of your own or not) it doesn't matter if you were doing your job. It's a stock drop. That's why doing anything public relations related has to have integrity checks because yours is on the line too.  Especially when it's recognizable. That's part of the game.

    It doesn't matter if they're great people, raise their kids right, cook pies, cosplay, and go to church every Sunday.
    Nonsense.

    If you are hired by a company to liaise between the company and the customers then you still work for the company and you are told what to do.

    This is a "gamer thing" because gamers think it's all a club and everyone is "doing it for the gaming" and then they get surprised when companies act like companies.

    I guarantee that all companies that have community managers are going to have people who are going to do what the company wants them to.

    These Community Managers aren't going to rush to the forums and say "run while you can!"

    Because that will NOT get you a job in any future companies as a community manager/public relations person.

    It's not her fault that she worked for companies that people didn't like and that made bad decisions.
    You can say whatever you want g. It's the nature of the beast and every person who works in PR or public facing on behalf of entities with bad reputations know the hit they take is the hit you take as well. It's not a gamer thing. Sure you'll get hired again by standing tall and bold facing but that $#!% has a life bar attached to it. In a field where you can be easily replaced by a fresh face with a fresh pool of "Aw man they're cool and shoot straight" you can bet your ass it ain't nonsense.
    bcbully
    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,325
    edited November 2018
    Sovrath said:
    When your job is to bullshit in public to your customers, and you get debunked twice (fault of your own or not) it doesn't matter if you were doing your job. It's a stock drop. That's why doing anything public relations related has to have integrity checks because yours is on the line too.  Especially when it's recognizable. That's part of the game.

    It doesn't matter if they're great people, raise their kids right, cook pies, cosplay, and go to church every Sunday.
    Nonsense.

    If you are hired by a company to liaise between the company and the customers then you still work for the company and you are told what to do.

    This is a "gamer thing" because gamers think it's all a club and everyone is "doing it for the gaming" and then they get surprised when companies act like companies.

    I guarantee that all companies that have community managers are going to have people who are going to do what the company wants them to.

    These Community Managers aren't going to rush to the forums and say "run while you can!"

    Because that will NOT get you a job in any future companies as a community manager/public relations person.

    It's not her fault that she worked for companies that people didn't like and that made bad decisions.
    You can say whatever you want g. It's the nature of the beast and every person who works in PR or public facing on behalf of entities with bad reputations know the hit they take is the hit you take as well. It's not a gamer thing. Sure you'll get hired again by standing tall and bold facing but that $#!% has a life bar attached to it. In a field where you can be easily replaced by a fresh face with a fresh pool of "Aw man they're cool and shoot straight" you can bet your ass it ain't nonsense.
    Well, put that way I suppose that makes some sense. So sure, if a PR person is constantly being hit in the face with crap and constantly comes off badly then "sure" that will stick with you.

    As for this person, all I find are decent things so I'm not sure if she has used up her credibility yet.


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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,552
    I agree 100% with that newsletter clip and YES that person GET;s it.
    However how does that relate to this new hired person and what impact does she if ANY or is she just a community liaison,tell us what we want to hear,say good stuff,keep us engaged but won't matter one bit?
    They obviously didn't hire her to tel them how to design the game or facilitate any form of let's change things up and design it to make sense instead of the linear questing nonsense.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,552
    The sad reality of gaming in this era is that days of old the devs just designed a game they felt was right.
    NOW there is so much information out there on games the amount of players,finances that devs can easily see what is making money.So rather than make a game that makes sense,they are always looking over their shoulder thinking,ok we need to make money,this is what sells....BR..Moba...ARPG's ...cheap mobile games etc etc.

    So tell me HOW a developer can ignore making money to build a better game?I mean this is why we have cash shops now,devs are not going to turn down new or more ways to make money.
    So there lies the problem and it has been said since the beginning of this century...money is the root of all that is evil.
    How can we get devs to make HQ games over profit,are both even possible knowing that using an example,IF Destiny 2 waited another year,how much money over that year are they out on....millions.

    $$$$$..thanks for ruining our games.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Sony Online Entertainment > Daybreak > Trion Worlds > Visionary Realms

    Hopefully everything goes well, and she won't have to tank a nostalgic user base that is 100x more rabid and informed that "normal" gamers she's used to dealing with.
    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,990
    Wizardry said:

    So tell me HOW a developer can ignore making money to build a better game?I mean this is why we have cash shops now,devs are not going to turn down new or more ways to make money.
    I believe we could find principled Devs who would choose gameplay over money. Now, finding someone to finance that principled undertaking is another story.

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  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 2,912
    now im worried :(
  • bgzgamerbgzgamer Member UncommonPosts: 58
    I dont understand the people giving her shit for doing her job at previous companies... She is basically a Press Secretary... you do whatever the fuck you are told by your president to say what you need to say and everyone blames you for what he is telling you to do.
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  • XophXoph Member UncommonPosts: 144
    She seems like a nice woman but some of the things she would say at Trion would really leave me wondering 'wtf' sometimes.
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    bgzgamer said:
    I dont understand the people giving her shit for doing her job at previous companies... She is basically a Press Secretary... you do whatever the fuck you are told by your president to say what you need to say and everyone blames you for what he is telling you to do.
    You don't understand people giving a person shit whose entire job is to take shit so the person who is making them take shit doesn't have to take shit for the shit they're doing that affects people?
    Samhael
    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

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  • SnackMasterBSnackMasterB Member UncommonPosts: 1
    Welcome back Brasse - good to see you again. Best of luck!
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,884
    edited November 2018
    bgzgamer said:
    I dont understand the people giving her shit for doing her job at previous companies... She is basically a Press Secretary... you do whatever the fuck you are told by your president to say what you need to say and everyone blames you for what he is telling you to do.
    So basically , if thats all it is , Anyone is qualified to do it , along with several of the Muppets , the only difference is by choosing cookie monster , he would not be associated with 3 failed Dev houses that have each, left there communities with a bad taste in there mouth..
     
      So why bring that luggage to your new game , get a fresh face , not one that is associated with failure,lies , deception and let down

  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,555
    edited November 2018
    First of all - I am going to give you my personal biased opinion as I know Linda first hand IRL.

    She is an amazing person, she has her own farm and raises farm animals - she is a down to earth loving human being and a great friend. She is one of those people that will help anyone in need.

    As far as community management goes - it's a thankless job today. You have to stand in front of an angry mob that is eternally unhappy no matter what. Community management sucks - period.

    You cant tell players everything because it would change a thing, and withholding information again - sucks - but it's part of the job.

    On top of all of that - the pay is shit.

    Bottom line - I wouldn't do community management ever, period.

    Why is Linda at VR - she is great at her job first and foremost and she also know Brad and the crew there first hand.

    I am happy for her

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  • azarhalazarhal Member RarePosts: 1,356
    Sony Online Entertainment > Daybreak > Trion Worlds > Visionary Realms

    Hopefully everything goes well, and she won't have to tank a nostalgic user base that is 100x more rabid and informed that "normal" gamers she's used to dealing with.
    Visionary Realms is targeting the old EQ and Vanguard players. That's players she directly interacted with for years before Daybreak lay her off.
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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    I thought this would be her next job. She is a great asset and VR made the right decision.

    Hope the game does well and she is happy at VR for years to come.
    Soki123
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,729
    DMKano said:
    First of all - I am going to give you my personal biased opinion as I know Linda first hand IRL.

    She is an amazing person, she has her own farm and raises farm animals - she is a down to earth loving human being and a great friend. She is one of those people that will help anyone in need.

    As far as community management goes - it's a thankless job today. You have to stand in front of an angry mob that is eternally unhappy no matter what. Community management sucks - period.

    You cant tell players everything because it would change a thing, and withholding information again - sucks - but it's part of the job.

    On top of all of that - the pay is shit.

    Bottom line - I wouldn't do community management ever, period.

    Why is Linda at VR - she is great at her job first and foremost and she also know Brad and the crew there first hand.

    I am happy for her

    It's nice to have an insider's view of things. People are ruthless on this site and about games. They like freak out and get personally offended about what gaming companies do. 

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,561
    Pantheon is shaping up to be a game for Misfits, created by Misfits.

    Remember the last time Misfits made something for other Misfits??




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  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558
    LOL DMKano and his insight, it means nothing like his Trion news LOL
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  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558
    Soki123 said:
    LOL DMKano and his insight, it means nothing like his Trion news LOL

    Oh and sorry SBFord I f it isn t  to your pleasing, Oh well, shit happens.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,555
    Soki123 said:
    Not like the game was going to be good anyways. Maybe for the circle jerk nostalgia group that doesn t realize, IT WON T HAPPEN AGAIN morons. This news just made it worse lol. Thank god I have good games I play.

    Calling other people names for having a different taste in games than yours?

    Reaching new lows, you are better than this.
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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    Soki123 said:
    Not like the game was going to be good anyways. Maybe for the circle jerk nostalgia group that doesn t realize, IT WON T HAPPEN AGAIN morons. This news just made it worse lol. Thank god I have good games I play.

    Calling other people names for having a different taste in games than yours?

    Reaching new lows, you are better than this.
    No, I don't think he is. This is the real @Soki123
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