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Diablo Team Q&A + Immortal World Information

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  • RateroRatero Member UncommonPosts: 432
    No Witch Doctor love in that picture? ; ;

  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 992
    If D4 was in the works, wouldn't they have concept art, storyboards or lore they could have revealed? They didn't even have a logo. Cyperpunk dropped an image all those years ago.

    Saying, "They have other Diablo stuff in the works" means it could be anything, could be t-shirts for all we know.
    JeffSpicoli
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,163

    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    Announcing it as a big deal at a convention where your biggest PC fans paid money to see news and reveals on games they care about is just shit practice.

    Quit with the "they're entitled to make the games they want!" horseshit like it wasn't a straight gaffe for Blizz to make Diablo Immortal some big Blizzcon announcement.
    I believe Blizzard actually thought Diablo fans would groove on it,  Diablo on the go, ching$ ching$

    There has been a huge miscalculation here.
    MadFrenchieSedrynTyroscmacqDiabhualAvarixFlyByKnight

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • dajjal1983dajjal1983 Member UncommonPosts: 5
    DMKano said:
    laserit said:
    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    Blizzcon is aproduct, one that cost $50+

    Maybe Blizzard should be offering refunds


    Blizzcon is not really a product - because the show costs way more money than it ever makes back in tickets - every Blizzcon is a huge monetary loss for Blizzard - so in reality it's written off as "marketing campaign" - as the hope is the money spent on the show will pay off by the buzz generated in future sales

    But maybe they should offer refunds - however this is highly unlikely as you stil get the "experience" of being there even if the experience is a negative one. 

    Like how many can say "I was there when Blizzard got booed at Blizzcon" - not many can say that, and again maybe that's the type of experience that you can't put a price on (for some).

    But the excitement of game conferences is the "unknown" that's the attraction. If everything that was going to be announced was 100% known before the show - not many people would go.

    So in reality - you buy the tickets for this - you never know what you are gonna get - maybe it's something awesome, maybe it ends up being a turd - that's the dice you roll when you pay for a show with an unknown agenda.
    while normally I enjoy your insightful post, but this is inaccurate unless you have something to back it up. they sold a ton of virtual tix @ 60$ a pop, there is no way they didn't make a profit 
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,578
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    laserit said:
    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    Blizzcon is aproduct, one that cost $50+

    Maybe Blizzard should be offering refunds


    Blizzcon is not really a product - because the show costs way more money than it ever makes back in tickets - every Blizzcon is a huge monetary loss for Blizzard - so in reality it's written off as "marketing campaign" - as the hope is the money spent on the show will pay off by the buzz generated in future sales

    But maybe they should offer refunds - however this is highly unlikely as you stil get the "experience" of being there even if the experience is a negative one. 

    Like how many can say "I was there when Blizzard got booed at Blizzcon" - not many can say that, and again maybe that's the type of experience that you can't put a price on (for some).

    But the excitement of game conferences is the "unknown" that's the attraction. If everything that was going to be announced was 100% known before the show - not many people would go.

    So in reality - you buy the tickets for this - you never know what you are gonna get - maybe it's something awesome, maybe it ends up being a turd - that's the dice you roll when you pay for a show with an unknown agenda.
    while normally I enjoy your insightful post, but this is inaccurate unless you have something to back it up. they sold a ton of virtual tix @ 60$ a pop, there is no way they didn't make a profit 
    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/blizzard-incurs-substantial-loss-from-blizzcon/1100-6228656/

    Every Blizzcon has been a loss for Blizzard in terms of cost vs sales of tickets.

    You can quote me on this and take this to the bank if you want.
    Trolldefender99
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited November 2018
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    Announcing it as a big deal at a convention where your biggest PC fans paid money to see news and reveals on games they care about is just shit practice.

    Quit with the "they're entitled to make the games they want!" horseshit like it wasn't a straight gaffe for Blizz to make Diablo Immortal some big Blizzcon announcement.

    Yep - it was a shitty thing to do - Blizzard is obviously dealing with the fallout of the negative reaction right now.

    But you can't deny that it's their show, so they can do whatever the hell they want, if they decided to not reveal any games but instead have devs take their pants off and play butt bongos in front of the audience - again their show they can do that too

    They just have to deal with the consequences of their actions afterwards, and that's what they are doing now

    it comes down to managing expectations in the end - those who expected D4 announcement and didn't get it - well that's on them, as there were zero guarantees that D4 was getting announced this year.

    Should Blizzard have managed players expectations better - yep, I think they should have been more transparent on that whole "hey keep your Diablo expectations in check" - should be more like "hey PC/console gamers - we have stuff in the works but won't be making any announcements at this Blizzcon" - that would have been a lot better.

    Now next year - that's a different story - the thing is D4 is coming just not now, disappointments happen. Maybe Blizzard won't do any mobile announcements at future Blizzcons - or maybe they will heh.

    Still - hope for the best, but expect the worst - manage your own expectations, don't have your own happiness be determined by whims of other companies announcements  - at least that's my advice

    Or don't - and get pissed whenever your personal expectations aren't met by a video game company that fails to deliver what you hoped they would

    Your choice
    The expectation of Blizzcon, considering that Blizzard literally built their company on primarily PC titles, was that the culmination announcement at the end of Blizzcon wouldn't be something that has shit-all to do with PC gaming.  It's not even a console release.

    There's no need for the PC fanbase to go into Blizzcon with the expectation that the big announcement for one of the most lauded PC IPs Blizzard has was for....  mobile only.  Blizzard was simply wrong for focusing on something that the crowd they had at Blizzcon (and their fanbase in general) had no interest in.  There's a lesson to be learned here about knowing the crowd you're dealing with when you plan a presentation.  It goes back to companies buying their own hype; Blizzard thought if they acted excited for it, their PC fanbase would, too.  They were wrong; not the players.

    You can try to blame the players all you want Kano, but you're off-base here.
    SwampySackjimmywolf

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,163
    DMKano said:
    laserit said:
    The thing is, it's not even a Blizzard game, it's been farmed out to China.

    This announcement just showed the fan base in no uncertain terms that Blizzard is not the same company that it used to be.

    Blizzard has no in-house devs with mobile experience - actually I don't know of many western studios that have any mobile devs in house - so outsourcing to top mobile developers like Netease is what pretty much all studios do.

    Blizzard is a growing billion dollar company, of course they are not going to remain the same old company - as a business they will go expand their portfolio into markets where they feel they can get traction - and mobile makes complete sense for Blizzard right now.

    Is the fan base that out of touch to not understand that companies change over time? Especially a company as huge as Blizzard - they have to expand into new markets to reach more players.

    Also Blizzard is also working on a Diablo games for PC/console gamers - they just haven't announced those yet 

    Expecting a game company the size of Blizzard to remain in the same markets over and over again - that's just not realistic thinking.

    They're part of a corporate conglomerate. They own a whole company who makes mobile games.

    They farmed it out to China for the same reasons that almost every other industry does.

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,637
    This wouldn't have been a bad announcement had they not backed out of showing D4.
    Aeander
  • BloodDiimondBloodDiimond Member UncommonPosts: 26

    I understand that, but if the controversy had not happened, would the audience who Diablo Immortals is for even have known about the announcement? Are the people who are into mobile heavily even pay attention to traditionally games media or conventions?



    We do and I'm very excited! I like being able to game on the road or game while watching movies so I'm good! Looking forward to both this and the next PC version!
  • IshkalIshkal Member UncommonPosts: 295
    A: Blizzard’s tradition is gameplay first regardless of if it’s boxed or F2P. We want to focus on making an excellent game first–system, items–and then when the game is farther along we can take a look at the game and figure out what the best business model is.
    Read more at https://www.mmorpg.com/diablo-3/news/diablo-team-qanda-immortal-world-information-1000050394#2m3WIqmgXbz9qHuX.99

    LOLz so said every F2P dev ever
  • XarkoXarko Member EpicPosts: 1,149
    edited November 2018
    "Blizzard’s tradition is gameplay first regardless of if it’s boxed or F2P. We want to focus on making an excellent game first–system, items–and then when the game is farther along we can take a look at the game and figure out what the best business model is."

    I hate this PR bullshit. We know you know, you know you know. IF you cant talk about it, then just say you cant talk about it.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,632
    edited November 2018
    A Diablo focused Blizzcon (according to Blizzard) with a Diablo 'project' that wasn't even really made by them and blizzard wonders why people are mad. Its not hard, just announce anything about your other projects and provide concept art to tickle people's nipples before you go in raw with your only real Diablo announcement being a mobile game. Announcing other projects outside of your company's biggest event of the year is just stupid. On top of all of this, this isn't even something that is really being marketed to the western market. This is mainly something for the eastern market yet being headlined at an western event....what???
  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 83
    edited November 2018
    I watched the openning ceremony of Blizzcon and just a few minutes in I felt that people are reaching a point of satiety with the BS they are fed. Reception was cold, interaction with the public was almost non-existent primarily because the audience was tense, fearful, non responsive.

    That room was not only filled with fans, it was filled with people that work in the auxiliary Blizzard industry, content creators, merchandise/auxiliary product publishers, "franchise" shop owners, small share holders, etc.

    Everybody there with their attitude and their reactions gave off the aura that the "honey moon" is coming to an over. Fans are starting to perceive Blizz as any other impersonal company. Wich isnt a bad thing per se but its not what that company had been for more than a decade and not by far what the collective imaginary built them to be.

    Also it was a dull Blizzcon. No annoucements nor any hype (hope) given. But one thing stays true. They still produce the best CGi cinematics/shorts you can find.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,140
    nastilon said:
    0 interest in a mobile game. Guess this will be great for 12 year olds and the burgeoning market in Asia.
    I remember when consoles were for kids....look at them now.
    jimmywolf
  • arbi15arbi15 Member UncommonPosts: 41
    "hey audience/fanbase, some of you paid to be here and hundreds of thousands are watching online rightnow, so today after years of waiting we gonna announce something that isnt targeting you but totally diffrent people, enjoy" - basically the diablo booth this year
  • AvarixAvarix Member RarePosts: 663
    laserit said:

    DMKano said:
    Wizbuiz said:
    What a bummer, they are so arrogant, just cuz blizz fanbois Will play any expansion they make and have had Great success, they Think they Can get away with everything since fans arent boycotting them. This is the time to show that the customers wont swallow any crap they make just cuz it has a blizz tag. Diablo 3 was fun the first 6 months. But a spin-off on mobile is just ridiculous, getting more attached to our phones is what we need the least

    Why are they so arrogant? Do companies not have the right to release products on platforms that you don't like?

    Diablo Immortal is NOT and never was meant for PC gamer crowd. A proper PC version is in the works.

    What's more arrogant is players thinking that their personal needs must always be met and are the sole focus of everything game companies do - and that announcing one product that doesn't cater to them specifically give them the right to sling poo at the company.

    Hello?
    Announcing it as a big deal at a convention where your biggest PC fans paid money to see news and reveals on games they care about is just shit practice.

    Quit with the "they're entitled to make the games they want!" horseshit like it wasn't a straight gaffe for Blizz to make Diablo Immortal some big Blizzcon announcement.
    I believe Blizzard actually thought Diablo fans would groove on it,  Diablo on the go, ching$ ching$

    There has been a huge miscalculation here.
    Agreed. They used this announcement to close out the opening ceremony. They were expecting a far different reaction. Which sucks because it makes me feel like they truly are out of touch with their players.
    laserit
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 2,914
    "there’s multiple Diablo projects being worked on by multiple teams. We love Diablo"

    what other projects? why arent they announced at Blizzcon? what a joke
  • wesjrwesjr Member UncommonPosts: 504
    If they had made it mobile + desktop like Hearthstone I think it would have been received much better.
  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member UncommonPosts: 1,474
    I'm willing to wager it took them less than a year to shit out this hot mess of a game. Probably less than half a year







    It's actually shovelware, Blizzard actually makes shovelware now, what a fantastic timeline.

    The Season of Greed is real!
    laseritNilden
  • ShinobeShinobe Member UncommonPosts: 78
    Don´t question anything teh ELITE here at MMORPG is saying. They are orange, they have powa and much more inside info about everything in the game industrie.

    Blizzard fooked it up. Nothing more to say. Buy the yproduct, or don´t.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,632
    edited November 2018
    Warlyx said:
    "there’s multiple Diablo projects being worked on by multiple teams. We love Diablo"

    what other projects? why arent they announced at Blizzcon? what a joke
    THIS right here is why people are so pissed of. You're at Blizzcon, the companies biggest event of the year, to get B-I-G Blizzard related news. Multiple projects were stressed as to being worked on by multiple teams with Blizzard going into a hiring frenzy and even moving some people from other projects to work on these new Diablo projects. You get to Blizzcon and your only Diablo news is a mobile game.....

    I was typing more but honestly this is making me even more pissed off the more I have to explain it to both Blizzard and to people that dont understand the sure amount of HATE, not at the mobile game, but towards Blizzard for doing something like this at a WESTERN MARKET FOCUSED EVENT. It honestly feels like they got their presentations mixed up with the mobile reveal being for their investors and something else being meant for Blizzcon....

    This mobile game wont hurt Diablo in anyway and anyone who genuinely thinks that is just naive. But it does damage Blizzard because their perception has been completely out of wack with reality since BfA alpha.
  • BobVaBobVa Member UncommonPosts: 125
    DMKano said:

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/blizzard-incurs-substantial-loss-from-blizzcon/1100-6228656/

    Every Blizzcon has been a loss for Blizzard in terms of cost vs sales of tickets.

    You can quote me on this and take this to the bank if you want.
    I will quote you.

    That's a 2009 article. Beside D3, WoW, SC and .. WoW? .. they basically didn't had anything else to show. Now there are 4 more games in Blizzard portfolio : Overwatch, HS, HoTs, SC2.

    The prices : 125$ ( then ) vs 250$ ( now ) for 1 ticket. Virtual tickets not available in 2009 vs now. Plus the very big sponsors they have now like T-Mobile. 


    I still don't know if they managed to get all the .. investement back from this year Blizzcon, but I'm pretty positive that the losses are not that big as from 2009 for exemple.

    And as the guy said from your article : It's a huge marketing opportunity, so that's the benefit we get out of that. 

    ...
    that's all it matters in the end : Huge Marketing. So don't cry for Blizzard losing (if) some millions , while they will get much, much more because of the BlizzCon marketing that is.
  • SplitStream13SplitStream13 Member UncommonPosts: 139
    I don't get what the fuss is all about. I am excited about this game. Especially if its not free2play/lootbox bullshit. I play Darkness Rises on my phone and tablet and it's really good game with a really good pvp system. If DI trumps that I'm all in for it. 

    Not everyone has 5-6 hours to play games kids. I run a game or 2 while in the shitter or a break at work and that's fine. I welcome games with more depth on mobile. 
    jimmywolfIselin
  • LobotomistLobotomist Member RarePosts: 5,821

    DMKano said:


    itsover said:

    Only way to fix our fan is announce d4 or d2 remaster



    Which they already said that "other Diablo games are in the works" 

    D4 for PC/console has been in the works before Diablo mobile - I can tell you that - that's what majority of Diablo team at Blizzard has been working on for a long time already.

    Diablo Immortal has been mostly outsourced to Netease as Blizzard doesn't have enough mobile devs in house to make mobile games themselves. The upside of this is that Diablo Immortal didn't take away much focus from the teams working on D4.

    I don't play mobile games - so to me Diablo mobile doesn't even register - it's like ok they announced something I absolutely don't care for - next.

    I don't get why PC gamers are in an uproar over something they were never gonna play - when a proper and much better version for PC is in the works.

    If Blizzard was  said "we are never going to make another PC diablo game and this mobile game is all you will ever see" - yep I can see how being this pissed off is justified.

    But that's not the case - but hey - majorly overblowing stuff and shitting all over Blizzard right now - and then cheering and singing high praises for them when D4 gets officially announced - yep that's the bullshit fickleness of players nowdays.







    If the D4 was anything more than pre production stage project at this point. They would now admit they are working on it. If anything, just to calm the spirits.

    What I suspect is this : They already did their best with Diablo 3. They simply do not know where to take it from there. If they go with isometric game they will have to compete with POE and several others that are taking the field quite strong. And even than they have a problem cause Diablo players want hardcore experience, and this does not translate good to revenue.
    Another venue they could try is MMO. But than it would compete with WoW, and they are not ready for that. And beside that, MMOs cost lot of money and Activision is stingy.
    Finally they could do first perspective ActionRPG wich would be great, but Blizzards are good copiers never innovators.

    So what they have is probably many pre production concepts, and some demo prototypes. So yes they are working on it. Just as they were working on Titan and Ghost.

    And even if they do announce it right now. You can bet it would take 6 years minimum to be released.


    At this point. D2 remaster is best we can hope for. And honestly POE is much better D2.

    So screw them.

    Blizzard is dead



  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member UncommonPosts: 1,474

    APThug said:

    I'm just bummed the game doesn't have witch doctor. Why not include it? Witch doctor was my favorite class to play in D3.



    China
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