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  • MadCoderOneMadCoderOne Member UncommonPosts: 217
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,966
    Cazriel said:
    davc123 said:
    Cazriel said:
    Gotta to ask cuz I don't know.  Is mobile gaming big in China?
    mobile is much biger than PC and  much more profit dats why alot company gona to mobile $$$$$
    Thanks, I figured that was the case.  The China market is huge.  The profit margin on this must be so huge that they don't care about pissing off PC fans. 
    Once read that other countries are much more into using their cell phone for everything and not so much for PCs.  Which explains why those markets want more mobile games, in the US we can't even use our mobiles for vending machine purchases like in a lot of other countries yet.
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  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,656
    Well that Blizzard has "lost their ways" is hard for me to jump aboard on. Diablo3 has moved in a bad direction for a long time (which a Diablo4 could fix), and I have not cared about WoW for many years now, but then they give is something awesome like Overwatch.
    Everyone expected a mobile Diablo of some sorts, but hoped for a Diablo4 also or instead, so it is not that they are making a mobile Diablo game, but that they are proudly announcing it at a convention full of fans who play games on pc, and regard mobile games as shit (rightfully so).
  • LowellsandersLowellsanders Member UncommonPosts: 134
    So Blizzard is playing Curiously
  • ramdyramdy Member UncommonPosts: 70
    same shot now available on mobile :disappointed:
  • AvarixAvarix Member RarePosts: 665
    This feels worse, for me, than if they had announced nothing at all. I would certainly feel disappointed but I wouldn't feel like I was being pushed aside for a newer and larger audience. 

    PC gaming already has so few strongholds in the market now and Blizzard was one of the few that I felt I could rely on. It's a big reason why I continued to support them, even after my serious dislike for the RMAH in Diablo 3 and a few other missteps. Using an IP that was made wildly popular because of your PC audience to make a mobile game, while simultaneously offering nothing to PC players, feels more like a slap in the face than slight disappointment.

    This announcement stung.
  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,495
    I so laughed hard at this. I stopped playing D3 a long time ago. I hated the RNG in that game so much. And its not a big surprise that Blizz did this. 
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    So the Diablo mobile title isn't even an original Blizzard work?

    They literally made a big announcement about how they were licensing skins to NetEase?

    /Facepalm

    I agree with @Superman0X, they are wayyyyy out of touch with their general fanbase, and it's starting to snowball between BfA and this Blizzcon announcement.
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,808
    Avarix said:
    This feels worse, for me, than if they had announced nothing at all. I would certainly feel disappointed but I wouldn't feel like I was being pushed aside for a newer and larger audience. 

    PC gaming already has so few strongholds in the market now and Blizzard was one of the few that I felt I could rely on. It's a big reason why I continued to support them, even after my serious dislike for the RMAH in Diablo 3 and a few other missteps. Using an IP that was made wildly popular because of your PC audience to make a mobile game, while simultaneously offering nothing to PC players, feels more like a slap in the face than slight disappointment.

    This announcement stung.
    Lol what? I can't keep up with so much good games being developed and launch for PC. What the hell are you even talking about?
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  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,314
    Just looked at the youtube feed, I didn't see a single good comment posted, granted I didn't open up any of the replies.  Think they really screw up this time.  Unfortunately though this will still make them millions because it is directed at the fan base they are trying to get.  The new generation that walks around looking down all the time.  Gone are the people that made the company what it was and the new people don't have the same anything to be honest to keep the company going.  It will take many years but the company is slowly dying by its own hand.  If you are an old fart like myself sitting at a computer you are not their target audience anymore. 
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,283
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Out of touch

    thats the phrase that comes to mind
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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,122
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    I play mobile games and down voted once. I'll bet literally 100% of the downvotes came from people that play mobile games at least once a week.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,283
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    I play mobile games and down voted once. I'll bet literally 100% of the downvotes came from people that play mobile games at least once a week.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,283
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    It's called "damage control" 
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    Iselin said:
    DMKano said:

    I am telling you that Blizzard knew about the backlash and was ready to do damage control months ago. None of this is surprising to them - again because they know that 95% of Blizzcon crowd are not mobile players.

    Blizzard cares greatly about things that would impact their bottom line - upset forum posters and blizzcon crowd - they weren't gonna blow money on a mobile game anyways - so Blizzard is like - Fuck it  - we'll manage the fallout but Diablo Immortal can still be a major cash cow for us.
    Which is precisely why Blizzcon is a weird place to make the announcement. They could have generated the same buzz with 1/100th of the negative fan reaction if they had chosen to do the reveal anywhere other than Blizzcon.

    Expected or not the shitstorm of negativity they're getting is something you generally want to avoid.
    It may work for them, at least for a while. If they don't change directions, at some point, it will come back to bite them in the ass.

    Trion played fast and loose and so did SoE. That didn't work out well for them in the end. But Kano might say, Blizzard is on a completely different plane. Sun, DEC, and Red Hat thought they could ignore their core base and never evolve and they paid.

    Blizzard is only as good as their next game. WoW is dying fast. There are only so many times and ways they can spin that. The Classic release is a huge signal they're done. Done with ideas and energy left for the game.Of their remaining stable only Overwatch is a bigger player, but it's not in the same league as WoW used to be, or Fortnite is now. It's more like Dota or Team Fortress.

    The thing that lets Blizzard play like they do is the inertia they have with their massive game franchises. They're losing that and once it's gone they're just another company.

    Mobile is a double edged sword. Mobile games don't last like others do. So either a company gets in the mobile development loop or it's a one off hope for a good cash grab. My guess is this is a short term revenue grab to keep corporate numbers up while they desperately try to move forward with more solid franchises. I expect a Diablo 4 reveal sometime, and if that doesn't go over well, what else do they have? Overwatch skins? :lol:

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,808
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    dude... That makes no sense.

    Those two things are not separated. People who play on phones also play on consoles and also play on PC when they own one. 

    And people who exclusively play on phones due their nature of being out the game group as a whole are not someone who will pick Diablo over all the other mobile games to play.

    Like my mom who play mobile games like candy crush. Or my friend who play some time killers that has sport flavor to it. They won't look to this "diablo thing" and think "oh, this should be nice... this heavy metal flavored hellish experience is exactly what my taste outside the gaming overall group needs".

    They are aiming for mobile gamers that are already part of gaming industry, hardcore or mainstream. People who are aware of the Diablo IP in any shape or form.

    But correct me because when you say "mobile gamers" (as someone who plays ONLY on mobile) for me you mean my aunt playing some cute cat game.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,696
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    You keep repeating this argument mate. But a Hard Rock band has a Hard Rock fan base. There is no evidence that shows mobile gamers would even like Blizzard, let alone become fans. That's like Slayer announcing they are changing genre to Pop and then Slayer fans burn down the stage and you say well they are just Hard Rock fans and their opinion doesn't matter we should seek Pop fans' opinions now. Well Pop fans don't give a fuck about Slayer. Slayer should work really hard to create a fan base among the Pop crowd and that hasn't happened yet. 

    The only people who care about Blizzard, who would purchase Blizzard's product, heck even know who the hell Blizzard is, are overwhelmingly disappointed with this announcement. The mobile gamers fan club opinion does not matter, they can't come out, because they are imaginary! They don't exist yet. And there is no evidence that Blizzard would become successful in that market besides hopes and dreams. 

    And yes, Blizzard guessed there would be a bit of disappointment. That's why they dehyped the announcement a while ago and had some smart-ass comments ready for this situation. But let's not forget that we are talking about a company that has been riding their fans with EVERYTHING they have put out there for 2 decades without an ounce of originality nor creativity in the last one. They consider themselves as Apple for gaming. They believe they had a cult following them and they could feed them everything they make, at any price - Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm ingame shop is the testament of that. So yeah, maybe they didn't expect their supposedly dying fans turn against them like this. 
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    DMKano said:
    Iselin said:
    DMKano said:

    I am telling you that Blizzard knew about the backlash and was ready to do damage control months ago. None of this is surprising to them - again because they know that 95% of Blizzcon crowd are not mobile players.

    Blizzard cares greatly about things that would impact their bottom line - upset forum posters and blizzcon crowd - they weren't gonna blow money on a mobile game anyways - so Blizzard is like - Fuck it  - we'll manage the fallout but Diablo Immortal can still be a major cash cow for us.
    Which is precisely why Blizzcon is a weird place to make the announcement. They could have generated the same buzz with 1/100th of the negative fan reaction if they had chosen to do the reveal anywhere other than Blizzcon.

    Expected or not the shitstorm of negativity they're getting is something you generally want to avoid.

    Not necessarily - it might help Diablo Immortal catch the ear of mobile players - could be the ripple that Blizzard can magnify into a tidal wave with marketing dollars and get the game to the top of mobile charts.

    A product announcement that upsets those who were never gonna buy it  - not really a bad thing. Creating a ripple in the news that will bubble up said product to the attention of  actual intended consumers - not bad either.

    Ah dear DM Kano. I logged into account after year not posting just to answer this.

    Mobile gaming market is made up of bored woman on the commute , 8-12 year old kids and people that have 2-3 minutes to burn.

    None of them dont know or give a damn about Diablo in any way or form.


    Entering mobile game with property like Diablo is huge gamble. Where Blizzard has much more to lose than to gain.

    Up to now Blizzard was known for their quality. Their word was their bond.
    People bought their games in millions on launch just because it was known that Bilzzard knew exactly what players want and how to make it.

    To be booed on live stage , during your own convention, that people payed lot of money to attend.
    Thats bad, even unheared of.

    There is no price for spinning that. And surely not marketing something to unexisting populus.

    Now that only leave us with China. It is a big question mark. Some say mobile gaming is the gaming in China, and Blizzard basically made this for them.

    Again. As people said. They could just left that announcement for ChinaJoy. And Spin Diablo Mobile as side project in western media, and as exclusive focus in chinese media. And none would be the wiser.

    Huge fail fail fail. That sounds like EAfication ,corruption of the marketing suits to the highest degree in Blizzard.

    Basically people in charge know nothing about the games , but pretend they know all.

    You Kano know what I am talking about very well

    I do want to chime in on the demographics. For mobile gaming in general, they skew slightly male (~60/40) with the key demographic being 22-26. We are also seeing a solid core gamer that is willing to put down ~1k for a new phone every 2 years. This is all very similar to what we saw in PC decades ago, and is following a similar trend.

    I dont disagree that Blizzard marketing blew this opportunity, and could easily have made this release less problematic. I would not say that this was done intentionally... it is just an indication that they are really out of touch with who they were presenting too. This is an industry problem, caused by development teams being too insular, and buying too much of their own hype.  However, you could point to the same problematic approach for other big companies as well (Apple for example). 
    A decent current event example is Red Hat. Not a bad company but has become comfortable in its niche and lost touch with its core base and where the industry is going. They just got bought by IBM in a weird turn of irony. They weren't even putting out a bad product, they just weren't moving where enterprise markets are heading (cloud based linux servers). They ignored feedback because they thought they knew best.
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    All I have to say is....called it!
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,283
    DMKano said:
    laserit said:
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    It's called "damage control" 
    It is and ever company has a damage control team.
    When you need to call in the damage control team, it pretty much means you fucked up.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 7,112
    Do you think Blizzard's cache has somewhat diminished as a result of this announcement?
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    DMKano said:
    Oh they knew



    They would have walked off stage if they were so shocked and blindsided. But no they had a quick come back - you guys have phones right?

    lol - nice

    So yes - even those guys were well aware that this was gonna go as well as a turd in a punchbowl
    Just because they were not ignorant of the backlash does not mean they aren't stupid for doing it.  Especially with that response.  

    Even worse than "you think you want it, but you don't".
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    laserit said:
    DMKano said:
    So they just keep reloading that video until they get a response they like? niiiice and apparently deleting negative comments. Finally done with Blizzard

    Again - if you worked for Blizzard marketing team you would be doing the same thing.

    The downvoting is being done by a  PC crowd - not mobile gamers - which Blizzard is well aware of so yep - they will keep doing whatever it takes to minimize the pissed off mob who was not the intended market of ruining this for them.

    If the mobile gamers were coming out in droves and downvoting - you'd have a point.

    But again put it all into perspective and their actions make sense
    It's called "damage control" 
    In what world do you put your damage control team out for a hyped product launch. No, dude. You're just doing your own industry DC here. It was unscripted knee jerk damage control and it was completely ineffective. Everyone does "damage control" when they're put on the spot. Normally you don't throw gas on the fire to try and put it out though.
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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,242
    I don't think anyone blames them for releasing a mobile game. Not at all. 
    I think their fanbase blames them for not announcing anything for PC (and/or consoles).
     Rightfully so.
    The mobile title should have been in addition to information about a Diablo 4 
    not the main event.

    They can paint this however they feel they need to make themselves feel better but this is a huge letdown considering Diablo 3 is long in the tooth now. What 6 years old now?


    The Blizzard of today is out of touch and is losing the fanbase of the Blizzard of yesteryear. 

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,242
    All I have to say is....called it!
    As did half a billion other people already. I think we all expected a mobile title I think we all just wished for something in addition to that to be announced.  
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