Bottom line here is that selling advantages to those with disposable income is clearly raising the money CoE needs to survive as a development project. The end justifies the means...
As long as the game is completed, I'm sure Jeromy Walsh can come up with a 1000 justifications for it's lack of post-launch vitality.
Bottom line here is that selling advantages to those with disposable income is clearly raising the money CoE needs to survive as a development project. The end justifies the means...
As long as the game is completed, I'm sure Jeromy Walsh can come up with a 1000 justifications for it's lack of post-launch vitality.
"As long as the game is completed" is a pretty big caveat at this point. SpatialOS? cancelled. VoxElyria? Cancelled. They really aren't as good at putting the blinders over the eyes as CiG was.
Bottom line here is that selling advantages to those with disposable income is clearly raising the money CoE needs to survive as a development project. The end justifies the means...
As long as the game is completed, I'm sure Jeromy Walsh can come up with a 1000 justifications for it's lack of post-launch vitality.
"As long as the game is completed" is a pretty big caveat at this point. SpatialOS? cancelled. VoxElyria? Cancelled. They really aren't as good at putting the blinders over the eyes as CiG was.
There is a reason that their funding has fallen off dramatically this year...
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Why can’t a player just sell the item right back to an NPC? Or to another player? Then the ship,wagon,wartrison he bought becomes money...
I expect people to be doing that. Pretty sure many have admitted to doing that as easy money. Something people seem very blinded to. Or maybe I'm not understanding this big picture that @mystichaze was talking about.
Bottom line here is that selling advantages to those with disposable income is clearly raising the money CoE needs to survive as a development project. The end justifies the means...
As long as the game is completed, I'm sure Jeromy Walsh can come up with a 1000 justifications for it's lack of post-launch vitality.
"As long as the game is completed" is a pretty big caveat at this point. SpatialOS? cancelled. VoxElyria? Cancelled. They really aren't as good at putting the blinders over the eyes as CiG was.
There is a reason that their funding has fallen off dramatically this year...
Would the lack of funding also point out that there aren't as many of those boats et al out there as some may assume?
It's hard to say that there are all these armadas waiting in the wings to be claimed post launch while also saying their funding at the same time was low
I'm looking forward to the map info release next week. And although I'm neither a King/Noble nor even attached to any kingdom or current guild structure I'm still eager to see how it all plays out
Bottom line here is that selling advantages to those with disposable income is clearly raising the money CoE needs to survive as a development project. The end justifies the means...
As long as the game is completed, I'm sure Jeromy Walsh can come up with a 1000 justifications for it's lack of post-launch vitality.
"As long as the game is completed" is a pretty big caveat at this point. SpatialOS? cancelled. VoxElyria? Cancelled. They really aren't as good at putting the blinders over the eyes as CiG was.
There is a reason that their funding has fallen off dramatically this year...
Would the lack of funding also point out that there aren't as many of those boats et al out there as some may assume?
It's hard to say that there are all these armadas waiting in the wings to be claimed post launch while also saying their funding at the same time was low
I guess you could also say that "only $5M worth of advantages have been bought so far", so there's nothing to worry about, lol
Bottom line here is that selling advantages to those with disposable income is clearly raising the money CoE needs to survive as a development project. The end justifies the means...
As long as the game is completed, I'm sure Jeromy Walsh can come up with a 1000 justifications for it's lack of post-launch vitality.
"As long as the game is completed" is a pretty big caveat at this point. SpatialOS? cancelled. VoxElyria? Cancelled. They really aren't as good at putting the blinders over the eyes as CiG was.
There is a reason that their funding has fallen off dramatically this year...
Would the lack of funding also point out that there aren't as many of those boats et al out there as some may assume?
It's hard to say that there are all these armadas waiting in the wings to be claimed post launch while also saying their funding at the same time was low
I guess you could also say that "only $5M worth of advantages have been bought so far", so there's nothing to worry about, lol
The premise I was disagreeing with was that there are all of these things out there which can be saved and then claimed with tokens any time after launch
A vast majority of that $5m donated are all things that come with packages which are in game from day 1 and can not be saved/claimed at a later date
Bottom line here is that selling advantages to those with disposable income is clearly raising the money CoE needs to survive as a development project. The end justifies the means...
As long as the game is completed, I'm sure Jeromy Walsh can come up with a 1000 justifications for it's lack of post-launch vitality.
"As long as the game is completed" is a pretty big caveat at this point. SpatialOS? cancelled. VoxElyria? Cancelled. They really aren't as good at putting the blinders over the eyes as CiG was.
There is a reason that their funding has fallen off dramatically this year...
Would the lack of funding also point out that there aren't as many of those boats et al out there as some may assume?
It's hard to say that there are all these armadas waiting in the wings to be claimed post launch while also saying their funding at the same time was low
I guess you could also say that "only $5M worth of advantages have been bought so far", so there's nothing to worry about, lol
The premise I was disagreeing with was that there are all of these things out there which can be saved and then claimed with tokens any time after launch
A vast majority of that $5m donated are all things that come with packages which are in game from day 1 and can not be saved/claimed at a later date
Proof?
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@StaalBurgher did a good job tracking their totals. As of Jan 30 2018 before the promo items began to be sold in Feb they had managed $3.675 million. You can find it in the State Of The Studio thread
Just wanted to add, as of right now they are at $4.842 million
I really have no idea what this studio is doing. Their searing plague event sounded like a shit show and the map voting sounds like more wasted developer hours that could have been spent on actually building the game.
It just makes no sense to me.
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@StaalBurgher did a good job tracking their totals. As of Jan 30 2018 before the promo items began to be sold in Feb they had managed $3.675 million. You can find it in the State Of The Studio thread
Just wanted to add, as of right now they are at $4.842 million
Unfortunately it's still about $15M short of a even halfway decent game.
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@StaalBurgher did a good job tracking their totals. As of Jan 30 2018 before the promo items began to be sold in Feb they had managed $3.675 million. You can find it in the State Of The Studio thread
Just wanted to add, as of right now they are at $4.842 million
So just $1.2M... peanuts!
And for clarity- Remember that $3.675 number includes all the Exposition Points that were sold and not just packages as you inferred. Yes, they will not result in tokens but all those points are directly used to buy in game advantages like resources, castles, siege weapons, patterns, etc...
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If most don't already know on here, it's not just about what the maps look like. Each kingdom will have a vast majority of their land comprised of 1-2 biomes and thus 1-2 tribes of Mann mainly inside their borders
I wonder how this will pit the kingdoms against one another, surely knowing their place already in order to pick which kingdom is theirs, for how they vote?
If most don't already know on here, it's not just about what the maps look like. Each kingdom will have a vast majority of their land comprised of 1-2 biomes and thus 1-2 tribes of Mann mainly inside their borders
I wonder how this will pit the kingdoms against one another, surely knowing their place already in order to pick which kingdom is theirs, for how they vote?
But I think this just speaks to the unorganized way the game is being developed. They have had people joining these kingdoms, buying tokens at $10 a pop and giving them to the leaders of their towns and counties... these people want to play as a certain tribe (race) because that’s what the group advertised.
So so how do you think people will react when they find out that their whole organization based around tribe X now will be in a biome of the opposite type and populated by tribe A and B?
Leader:Well I know we all planned to play as Brudvir and live in the cold Alpine forests, but all that is left for us is some land in the desert so I guess we can all just change our race to be Waerd. It just that the King of XYZ was allowed to buy a double Kingdom so his votes counted 2000 times what yours did and even three times what our king’s vote did so he picked a map that forced us into the desert... Sure they can still play as Brudvir but being in an opposite biome will put them at a huge disadvantage.
And before you backtrack and now try to downplay exactly what you said... either the choices have significance to your play or they don’t. If they do, and if players (not characters) get screwed because someone else bought more advantages... then that sucks. And if they don’t have significance then this voting is a pointless waste of time.
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If most don't already know on here, it's not just about what the maps look like. Each kingdom will have a vast majority of their land comprised of 1-2 biomes and thus 1-2 tribes of Mann mainly inside their borders
I wonder how this will pit the kingdoms against one another, surely knowing their place already in order to pick which kingdom is theirs, for how they vote?
We already know, no map changes how the biomes are setup in each kingdom. It's basically just the shape of the map we are voting on. It would be cool, if each map could change the tribe make up in each kingdom. Make the whole deal mean something imo.
Then seeing as only the double kingdoms know where they will go, since naturally they are picking first. Only they get any real advantage from the whole thing. While people can guess what kingdoms they will pick, it's mostly guess work.
This is only my view on OCE/NA. No one seems to know where they are in the pick order. Maybe the EU kings do though. Besides, as I said, the double kings.
While any kingdom that is recruiting people based on tribes. They are some next level fools. But then, I see people recruiting saying they will give people crazy stuff. I suppose it's the fools that believe they can deliver anything they say.
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Caspian09/29/2018 OK. RE: Map voting. Official rules will be posted when it's ready. That said, we've locked in the rules, etc. and are very happy with where it is now, as it's simple, straight forward, and logical.
Your votes are weighted by influence, divided by your total number of votes. So if you vote once, it's worth 100% of your influence. If you vote twice, each vote is worth 50%, etc. The more you vote, the less each vote is worth.
Voting will be done in a couple rounds. Round 1 will be all the servers except OCE voting on a pool of 20 maps to determine which 5 maps will be voted on for their server.
Round two will be all servers, and will be for each server to decide which map they want of the 5 available.
That's it. Simple. At the end of Round 2, each server will know which map will be theirs. Note that round 1 is open results. So you'll be able to see how each map is fairing on each server. Round 2 is closed results, and the results of the vote won't be shown until the round ends.
As for people who received a package during searing plague but have no influence, you can vote, but if you truly have 0 influence the vote won't count for much, if anything. Sorry, but that's the way it is. You get to play the game, and have all the benefits of being able to play, but with no influence, your vote doesn't count for much. there is rounds
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Caspian09/29/2018 OK. RE: Map voting. Official rules will be posted when it's ready. That said, we've locked in the rules, etc. and are very happy with where it is now, as it's simple, straight forward, and logical.
Your votes are weighted by influence, divided by your total number of votes. So if you vote once, it's worth 100% of your influence. If you vote twice, each vote is worth 50%, etc. The more you vote, the less each vote is worth.
Voting will be done in a couple rounds. Round 1 will be all the servers except OCE voting on a pool of 20 maps to determine which 5 maps will be voted on for their server.
Round two will be all servers, and will be for each server to decide which map they want of the 5 available.
That's it. Simple. At the end of Round 2, each server will know which map will be theirs. Note that round 1 is open results. So you'll be able to see how each map is fairing on each server. Round 2 is closed results, and the results of the vote won't be shown until the round ends.
As for people who received a package during searing plague but have no influence, you can vote, but if you truly have 0 influence the vote won't count for much, if anything. Sorry, but that's the way it is. You get to play the game, and have all the benefits of being able to play, but with no influence, your vote doesn't count for much. there is rounds
You may want to go back and read the OP....
But since we we are just reposting it... let’s be complete:
Caspian09/29/2018
There's plenty of questions that can arise from what I just said, but in all cases, the answer should be what you expect. For example: Q. Doesn't that mean people with 10,000 influence are weighted 10x as much as someone with just 1,000 influence? A. Yes.
But since we we are just reposting it... let’s be complete:
Caspian09/29/2018
There's plenty of questions that can arise from what I just said, but in all cases, the answer should be what you expect. For example: Q. Doesn't that mean people with 10,000 influence are weighted 10x as much as someone with just 1,000 influence? A. Yes.
And of course we know that there are people with far more than 10,000 influence...
Well, we might know who has more than 10K influence, but they took the chart down from the web site at some point "in the interest of a more level playing field"
ROFL, that ship sailed long ago.
As with all things P2W, instead of fully embracing it they try to weakly mask it from view which does seem to permit a substantial portion of the ivory tower to continue to ignore it.
Would seem to make more sense to keep it available so players with less influence could either throw in with the people with the most or band together to thwart them if "fairness" really matters.
I suspect they removeed the chart as players would realize how overwheming of an advantage some whales have, to prevent any whale from being ganged up on and how map voting is mostly a sham.
The people who really benefit the most from no one knowing actual influence values are the whales, well, and Soulbound itself of course.
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As long as the game is completed, I'm sure Jeromy Walsh can come up with a 1000 justifications for it's lack of post-launch vitality.
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It's hard to say that there are all these armadas waiting in the wings to be claimed post launch while also saying their funding at the same time was low
I'm looking forward to the map info release next week. And although I'm neither a King/Noble nor even attached to any kingdom or current guild structure I'm still eager to see how it all plays out
A vast majority of that $5m donated are all things that come with packages which are in game from day 1 and can not be saved/claimed at a later date
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Just wanted to add, as of right now they are at $4.842 million
It just makes no sense to me.
To do it right is probably closer to $25M more.
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And for clarity- Remember that $3.675 number includes all the Exposition Points that were sold and not just packages as you inferred. Yes, they will not result in tokens but all those points are directly used to buy in game advantages like resources, castles, siege weapons, patterns, etc...
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If most don't already know on here, it's not just about what the maps look like. Each kingdom will have a vast majority of their land comprised of 1-2 biomes and thus 1-2 tribes of Mann mainly inside their borders
I wonder how this will pit the kingdoms against one another, surely knowing their place already in order to pick which kingdom is theirs, for how they vote?
So so how do you think people will react when they find out that their whole organization based around tribe X now will be in a biome of the opposite type and populated by tribe A and B?
Leader:Well I know we all planned to play as Brudvir and live in the cold Alpine forests, but all that is left for us is some land in the desert so I guess we can all just change our race to be Waerd. It just that the King of XYZ was allowed to buy a double Kingdom so his votes counted 2000 times what yours did and even three times what our king’s vote did so he picked a map that forced us into the desert... Sure they can still play as Brudvir but being in an opposite biome will put them at a huge disadvantage.
And before you backtrack and now try to downplay exactly what you said... either the choices have significance to your play or they don’t. If they do, and if players (not characters) get screwed because someone else bought more advantages... then that sucks. And if they don’t have significance then this voting is a pointless waste of time.
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Your Honor, I rest my case.
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For anyone that doesn't wanna read it:
Kingdom 1:
Brudvir
Hrothi
Kingdom 2:
Neran
Hrothi
Kingdom 3:
Neran
Kypiq
The Waerd
Kingdom 4:
Neran
To'resk
The Waerd
Dras
Kingdom 5:
Neran
To'resk
Dras
Kingdom 6:
To'resk
Janoa
We already know, no map changes how the biomes are setup in each kingdom. It's basically just the shape of the map we are voting on. It would be cool, if each map could change the tribe make up in each kingdom. Make the whole deal mean something imo.
Then seeing as only the double kingdoms know where they will go, since naturally they are picking first. Only they get any real advantage from the whole thing. While people can guess what kingdoms they will pick, it's mostly guess work.
This is only my view on OCE/NA. No one seems to know where they are in the pick order. Maybe the EU kings do though. Besides, as I said, the double kings.
While any kingdom that is recruiting people based on tribes. They are some next level fools. But then, I see people recruiting saying they will give people crazy stuff. I suppose it's the fools that believe they can deliver anything they say.
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Caspian09/29/2018 OK. RE: Map voting. Official rules will be posted when it's ready. That said, we've locked in the rules, etc. and are very happy with where it is now, as it's simple, straight forward, and logical.
That's it. Simple. At the end of Round 2, each server will know which map will be theirs. Note that round 1 is open results. So you'll be able to see how each map is fairing on each server. Round 2 is closed results, and the results of the vote won't be shown until the round ends.
As for people who received a package during searing plague but have no influence, you can vote, but if you truly have 0 influence the vote won't count for much, if anything. Sorry, but that's the way it is. You get to play the game, and have all the benefits of being able to play, but with no influence, your vote doesn't count for much. there is rounds
But since we we are just reposting it... let’s be complete:
Read more at https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/476649/map-voting-announced#qgIY8L6HGWvwJtU1.99
And of course we know that there are people with far more than 10,000 influence...
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ROFL, that ship sailed long ago.
As with all things P2W, instead of fully embracing it they try to weakly mask it from view which does seem to permit a substantial portion of the ivory tower to continue to ignore it.
Would seem to make more sense to keep it available so players with less influence could either throw in with the people with the most or band together to thwart them if "fairness" really matters.
I suspect they removeed the chart as players would realize how overwheming of an advantage some whales have, to prevent any whale from being ganged up on and how map voting is mostly a sham.
The people who really benefit the most from no one knowing actual influence values are the whales, well, and Soulbound itself of course.
https://chroniclesofelyria.com/influence
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