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Customer Throws Tantrum About Female Generals, Is Completely Wrong

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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited September 2018
    Rhoklaw said:
    Regardless of why this guy made the review he did, it still doesn't change the fact a certain political platform has been pushing their SJW nonsense where it does NOT belong. Asking for equal rights or equal pay is fine, but that doesn't mean you should go around changing lore or historical facts. Of course, people are pointing out this wasn't the case in TWR2 but it has happened a lot in other games and other facets in the entertainment industry.

    So, the person that wrote this review, if he is indeed lying, is just a troll. If he was proven to be lying, then I really don't see the point of arguing about what he did. As I said earlier, whether skewing information or flat out lying, SJW's are NOTORIOUS for this.

    Fake News is their specialty.
    Please give an example of what you are talking about when you say a political platform is pushing nonsense where it does not belong...in reference to games or nerd culture. last time I checked Equality belongs everywhere. The only people who have a real issue with that are bigots. You say "asking for Equal rights or pay is fine" but you forgot about another one... INCLUSION. Asking for Inclusion is fine too. You don't force inclusion, either its happening or it isn't. Its very simple. If you have a issue with that, then you have a issue that is deeper than video games. 

    To my knowledge there isn't a game that is supposed to be a historical documentary of a real life event. Stop confusing nailing the AESTHETIC of a time period with being historically accurate. Also lets say they make every single game in the "War" category feature ONLY WHITE MEN, then there would still be a slew of things that aren't accurate. So as I said the issue you have even though you say otherwise isn't the inaccuracy of the game. Its the inclusion you feel is being "forced" in the game.

    If your issue was "accuracy" or "historical facts", then the unreal weapons, vehicles, lack of disease etc would be bigger issues. But no the issue is usually about a game character being female, lgbt, or black. Those are the things that trigger rwnj yt "gamer bros" . 

    I just wish people would be honest about it so we can identify and avoid them. I hate when people hide it and act passive aggressive. Just be open about who you really are so we can avoid you.

    So really... what is the problem? Why do you and people like yourself hate inclusion so much? Is it because you guys just realized that nerd culture has many type of people participating? Did you think that only straight white men who hate inclusion would be the ones getting jobs in the industry forever? Did you think that the gaming space would stay in representation of YOU forever?

    Its like you guys are upset that you have to share something that was never even yours. Nerd culture, video games included, have been loved by people from all races, genders, preferences, walks of life since the start. Inclusion isn't being forced, its just happening. You seem to have a issue with anything that's not like you and that is a bigger issue, much bigger than video games being "Historically Accurate." 

    "Historically Accurate" video games. If it were 100% accurate it wouldn't be a game. That's How I know your issue is Equality/Inclusion and not the game. 

    Since we are using acronyms, the RWNJ's are upset that the creators of their favorite games don't share their political views. That's what all this is about.
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    edited September 2018
    Rhoklaw said:
    Regardless of why this guy made the review he did, it still doesn't change the fact a certain political platform has been pushing their SJW nonsense where it does NOT belong. Asking for equal rights or equal pay is fine, but that doesn't mean you should go around changing lore or historical facts. Of course, people are pointing out this wasn't the case in TWR2 but it has happened a lot in other games and other facets in the entertainment industry.

    So, the person that wrote this review, if he is indeed lying, is just a troll. If he was proven to be lying, then I really don't see the point of arguing about what he did. As I said earlier, whether skewing information or flat out lying, SJW's are NOTORIOUS for this.

    Fake News is their specialty.
    Are you mature and honest enough to realize that the extremity you speak of is 100% reaction to the xenophobia, racism, chauvinism, nationalism, and tribalism that was initiated by the opposite counterparts of the "SJW"? The pendulum began swinging from there. When it appeared to be slowing to be more in the middle the reaction wasn't to accept the middle ground it was to go back to absurdity + extremity. What do you think happens when you pull a pendulum to an extremity? We've seen how terrible it can be for one side. Based on history and the theory of equal and opposite reactions what do you think happens next or the future? Reasonable people have been pushing for fairness and equality.

    Morons continue and use terms like "SJW" and "fake news" being oblivious to the reality they are setting up for themselves. They're crying about being replaced, and seeing different faces in film and entertainment. That is the LEAST of the problem if the idiocy they're initiating does not stop now.

    Specifically to you, I hope you see the irony of invoking "fake news" and who specializes in it while simultaneously making excuses for the same.

    Serious question to anyone else who might be reading this, what is Fake News REALLY to you and where does it lie on the spectrum of lies and truth.

    ✌️
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    I would also add that it seems silly to purport that a video game would, in any way, be used as an authoritative measure for historical facts.  That would be an exceedingly poor measure of accuracy, and that has nothing to do with the gender, orientation, or color of the protagonists, antagonists, or support characters.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Are we still doing General Gaming here?
    Constantine, The Console Poster

    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
     
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is twice now you've posted here clearly showing you haven't read a damn thing, either in the OP or in the replies.  GG.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Are we still doing General Gaming here?
    I get your point.  But if you wanna look for who to blame for politics in your gaming site, I'd be asking the folks who conjure up these shitstorm based on misinformation in the first place.  That's who injected the gender politics into a 5 year old Total War title to the point CA actually had to release a counter-statement.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited September 2018
    sayuu said:
    klash2def said:
    OFFS! This again????
    Youtube Star Wars and this topic is all you get now. It's like everywhere. SJW this and misogynist that and hater and manbaby and "white men are the root of all that is evil in this world"..... 

    (Seriously, as a white man, I would love to know where this place of privilege is that I'm supposedly enjoying, because my life is hard)

    Now its all over Captain Marvel and it's being pushed and resisted on both sides.

    Why does the "agenda" have to accompany everything?
    Why can't we just have strong men and women? I mean It was proven to work in the 70s and 80s.

    What grammar school aged boy wasn't in love with Princess Leah in 1977?
    An iconic poster child for strong women (without political agendas)







    What's the issue with Captain Marvel?

    (As for the white privilege comment, this is tongue-in-cheek, but one privilege is not having the cops called on you for suspicion of drug crimes while canvassing your own constituency's neighborhood while campaigning for re-election from the same folks who called the cops on you.  That's sit-com levels of situational irony. :D )
    @GeezerGamer ; I see this "I'm a white man but I'm not privileged" argument a lot online and as a African American man, I can tell you a lot of ways you are more privileged than I am and it has nothing to do with you or I on a personal level, its just the way society is set up. The interesting thing about privilege is most people don't realize they have it until it has been taken away. PM for me if you want to discuss. I'm always happy to help shed light on it. 

    I do agree with you about the agenda thing. Its draining to constantly see it. I was just in the Pathfinder section on steam and smh... I think its weird that RPGs have always touched on modern day issues in their own way, but for some reason now its "Agenda " this and that. Its just draining. 
    oh yeah homeless white folk have SO MUCH privilege its coming out their ears. . .


    Although all homeless people share the same issue, to entertain you, who do you think has a harder time getting out of the issue? A homeless black person or a homeless white person? Who do you think would get helped more? Do you know the homelessness rate is highest with African Americans? Its 7 times higher for black people. Do you know why? It has little to do with poverty I promise you. I know you really thought Poverty was a great equalizer.. but it isn't.

    It's very telling that I hear that exact argument every time the "Privilege" conversation comes up. As if that's the equalizer. You cant point at anything else in society so its always "but white people are homeless!" I've seen that tone deaf argument a million times.

    Homeless people deal with the same structures that are created by society. Racism isn't canceled because you are homeless. Its enhanced even. Stop saying "but white people can be homeless!" as if that erases and resets everything. Poor whites are the ones who owned slaves. Let that sink in.

    So yes, even as a homeless white you are still privileged. 

    There are social and structural issues facing the black community that white folk do not have to deal with. As I said before I rather not talk identity politics here, but I am happy to discuss it on PM. 
    alkarionlog[Deleted User]
    "Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."


    "The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."



     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear. 


  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is the an example of the retardation of the World.
    • Retard didn't read article
    • Retard spews ideological tribal foolery
    • Retard pulls pendulum to extremity
    • Retard bemoans the pendulum hitting the opposite extremity

    Stop being idiots and realize YOU ALL have more to lose (civilization wise) than anybody else, and the only way to survive is by not being a retard on an extremity.

    P.S. I mean "retard" in the dictionary term, not as a slight to mentally dis... f#$% that I mean it how you take it.
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  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is twice now you've posted here clearly showing you haven't read a damn thing, either in the OP or in the replies.  GG.
    I read everything and it makes me sick. This crap doesn't belong in the forums. I can't stand overly sensitive wise asses like you.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,960
    Are we still doing General Gaming here?
    I get your point.  But if you wanna look for who to blame for politics in your gaming site, I'd be asking the folks who conjure up these shitstorm based on misinformation in the first place.  That's who injected the gender politics into a 5 year old Total War title to the point CA actually had to release a counter-statement.
    Frenchie, someone who believes the other side did not bring this here, you did. Right or wrong you are the one who is trumping up this issue (pun intended) :D
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Are we still doing General Gaming here?
    I get your point.  But if you wanna look for who to blame for politics in your gaming site, I'd be asking the folks who conjure up these shitstorm based on misinformation in the first place.  That's who injected the gender politics into a 5 year old Total War title to the point CA actually had to release a counter-statement.
    No offense mate, you know I how much I respect ya <3 but right now I am blaming you for dragging it in here. Because in my humble opinion, this ain't the place for it.  

    If the site's wants to discuss politics, they should add a forum for it and moderate every post from other unrelated forums. If this continues, I'd just stop visiting here--the very last gaming forums that I like. 
    ceratop001ScotalkarionlogJeffSpicoli
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    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Are we still doing General Gaming here?
    I get your point.  But if you wanna look for who to blame for politics in your gaming site, I'd be asking the folks who conjure up these shitstorm based on misinformation in the first place.  That's who injected the gender politics into a 5 year old Total War title to the point CA actually had to release a counter-statement.
    No offense mate, you know I how much I respect ya <3 but right now I am blaming you for dragging it in here. Because in my humble opinion, this ain't the place for it.  

    If the site's wants to discuss politics, they should add a forum for it and moderate every post from other unrelated forums. If this continues, I'd just stop visiting here--the very last gaming forums that I like. 
    No offense from me either, but it's an issue within gaming that's been featured multiple times on this site.  No one forces a user to read the thread, and the title is very clear about what the reviewer claimed and the end result.
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  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is the an example of the retardation of the World.
    • Retard didn't read article
    • Retard spews ideological tribal foolery
    • Retard pulls pendulum to extremity
    • Retard bemoans the pendulum hitting the opposite extremity

    Stop being idiots and realize YOU ALL have more to lose (civilization wise) than anybody else, and the only way to survive is by not being a retard on an extremity.

    P.S. I mean "retard" in the dictionary term, not as a slight to mentally dis... f#$% that I mean it how you take it.
    Your whole post is retarded. Go see a psychiatrist and get on some medication. People have different opinions deal with that. Look at what your wrote. You are a perfect example of a liberal hack.
    MadFrenchieklash2def
     
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is twice now you've posted here clearly showing you haven't read a damn thing, either in the OP or in the replies.  GG.
    I read everything and it makes me sick. This crap doesn't belong in the forums. I can't stand overly sensitive wise asses like you.
    Then do tell why you decided to post completely erroneous bullshit on the thread twice?

    Or just keep throwing tantrums and be ignored.  It makes no difference to me.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited September 2018
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    go back to 4chan where your views can be appreciated and you can finally get that digital cookie you are seeking. 
    alkarionlogJeffSpicoli
    "Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."


    "The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."



     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear. 


  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is twice now you've posted here clearly showing you haven't read a damn thing, either in the OP or in the replies.  GG.
    I read everything and it makes me sick. This crap doesn't belong in the forums. I can't stand overly sensitive wise asses like you.
    Then do tell why you decided to post completely erroneous bullshit on the thread twice?

    Or just keep throwing tantrums and be ignored.  It makes no difference to me.
    Everyone is tired of your opinions. Do us all a favor and quit injecting political nonsense in the forums. You look like a fool right now to everyone.
    IselinMadFrenchieklash2defalkarionlog
     
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is twice now you've posted here clearly showing you haven't read a damn thing, either in the OP or in the replies.  GG.
    I read everything and it makes me sick. This crap doesn't belong in the forums. I can't stand overly sensitive wise asses like you.
    Then do tell why you decided to post completely erroneous bullshit on the thread twice?

    Or just keep throwing tantrums and be ignored.  It makes no difference to me.
    Everyone is tired of your opinions. Do us all a favor and quit injecting political nonsense in the forums. You look like a fool right now to everyone.
    Boo fucking hoo.  Take your butthurt elsewhere.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited September 2018
    Here's whats funny to me, the "politics doesn't belong in games" folks. Name a time period for RPGs that didn't ever tackle modern day politics? They literally go hand in hand. You are uncomfortable talking about it for your own reasons but you cant act as if it's not supposed to happen.

    Politics have been in games since the start. 

    Edit: Frenchie did nothing wrong by bringing that issue to light. That is exactly what they are supposed to do. We need to police our community. If you are too afraid to speak up about it, thats your choice. Dont expect others to act how you act because you dont care or are too afraid to speak up. 

    When idiots start review bombing games for silly reasons like a female avatar popping up, its time for us to say something. Inform so we can police better, police better to keep idiots out of our community. Yes. Idiots. Review bomb a game over a female avatar being in the game? A VIDEO GAME. That's stupid. 

    "Historically accurate"  lol
    alkarionlog
    "Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."


    "The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."



     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear. 


  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is twice now you've posted here clearly showing you haven't read a damn thing, either in the OP or in the replies.  GG.
    I read everything and it makes me sick. This crap doesn't belong in the forums. I can't stand overly sensitive wise asses like you.
    Then do tell why you decided to post completely erroneous bullshit on the thread twice?

    Or just keep throwing tantrums and be ignored.  It makes no difference to me.
    Everyone is tired of your opinions. Do us all a favor and quit injecting political nonsense in the forums. You look like a fool right now to everyone.
    Boo fucking hoo.  Take your butthurt elsewhere.
    Frenchie furthermore you assume my posts are directed at you. My original 2 posts had nothing to do with your opinions. I was directing my post to other people. For some reason you think everyone is talking to you. Get over yourself.
    alkarionlogJeffSpicoli
     
  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 1,019
    It's great we have all these terms pre-loaded and ready to unleash on each other. While we're all distracted by stupid shit politicians have set up benefits for life, and life-time terms, and book deals, and speaking tours, while dipping into our Social Security, and not doing the things they've been voted into office to do, while neglecting the old and sick and veterans and children.

    Please continue with the 'woke, SJW, RWNJ, socialist, racist, bigot, etc...' Working as they intended.

    Maybe if we're too busy hating each other we'll be too busy holding the people who are supposed to look out for ALL our best interests accountable for anything...

    "Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is that not why you're here?"

    "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

    "Being hypersensitive about sensitivity makes no sense."

    Take your pick.

    Gut Out!

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    What, me worry?

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,960
    edited September 2018
    Well I am glad to see we have engendered (do I have to point that one out?!) another calm and reasonable discussion about social issues and gaming. :)

    We should always be open to debate and never want to shut it down, but this is where it always ends, I never see people coming to a consensus on political forums, hardly ever does anyone see the other side. Does any poster genuinely think they have learnt anything from this so far? If so good luck to you.
    JeffSpicoli
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    This is just some liberal #metoo garbage. There are no Female Generals, and they can't rewrite history to accommodate people. Take your political socialist agenda and shove it where the sun does not shine...
    This is twice now you've posted here clearly showing you haven't read a damn thing, either in the OP or in the replies.  GG.
    I read everything and it makes me sick. This crap doesn't belong in the forums. I can't stand overly sensitive wise asses like you.
    Then do tell why you decided to post completely erroneous bullshit on the thread twice?

    Or just keep throwing tantrums and be ignored.  It makes no difference to me.
    Everyone is tired of your opinions. Do us all a favor and quit injecting political nonsense in the forums. You look like a fool right now to everyone.
    Boo fucking hoo.  Take your butthurt elsewhere.
    Frenchie furthermore you assume my posts are directed at you. My original 2 posts had nothing to do with your opinions. I was directing my post to other people. For some reason you think everyone is talking to you. Get over yourself.
    No, I don't give a shit whether or not you were talking to me, your posts were still erroneous bullshit indicating you had little to no idea what the reality of the situation was.

    If you wanna shoot a message to a specific person and receive only a response from that person, here's a tip: PM them.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Are we still doing General Gaming here?
    I get your point.  But if you wanna look for who to blame for politics in your gaming site, I'd be asking the folks who conjure up these shitstorm based on misinformation in the first place.  That's who injected the gender politics into a 5 year old Total War title to the point CA actually had to release a counter-statement.
    No offense mate, you know I how much I respect ya <3 but right now I am blaming you for dragging it in here. Because in my humble opinion, this ain't the place for it.  

    If the site's wants to discuss politics, they should add a forum for it and moderate every post from other unrelated forums. If this continues, I'd just stop visiting here--the very last gaming forums that I like. 
    No offense from me either, but it's an issue within gaming that's been featured multiple times on this site.  No one forces a user to read the thread, and the title is very clear about what the reviewer claimed and the end result.
    I'm not saying the issue doesn't exist. 

    From MMORPG.com User Agreement: https://www.mmorpg.com/disclaimers.cfm#conduct

    "Religion and Politics
    MMORPG.com is a site to discuss massively multiplayer online roleplay gaming. While users are encouraged and permitted to use our Off-Topic forum to discuss real life and non-MMORPG gaming, threads concerning sensitive subjects such as religion, politics, or ethics are forbidden."

    Either remove this rule and let's go free-for-all, or create a new forum for politics, or respect the rules. 

    "No one forces a user to read the thread" This statement is just so wrong. So it is fine if I create a racist post and whenever somebody objected then I would just make the same excuse? 
    alkarionlogklash2defJeffSpicoli
    Constantine, The Console Poster

    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Scot said:
    Well I am glad to see we have engendered (do I have to point that one out?!) another calm and reasonable discussion about social issues and gaming. :)

    We should always be open to debate and never want to shut it down, but this is where it always ends, I never see people coming to a consensus on political forums, hardly ever does anyone see the other side. Does any poster genuinely think they have learnt anything from this so far? If so good luck to you.
    Every time this issue reaches into this community, I learn something about the members of the community.  Sometimes good, sometimes bad.
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