It's not trade wars China has accepted the Beast System. China is censoring its citizen speech and plus China have a social score system i.e. "Mark of the Beast" that's reason. Here in America we refuse this system because of our Constitution. God has truly Blessed America. Apple and Google is accepting this system as we speak Anti-Trust lawsuits has been filed against these social media companies the very companies our tax dollars formed thru US Intelligence agencies.
why are you people acting so shocked, have you forgotten China is a communist country, this is what they do has been and always will be this way, their gov. controls everything. what people need to be shocked about is some small portion of people from western countries wants that, they have no idea. this has NOTHING to do with trade war.
Actually, it has nothing to do with them being Communist and everything to do with them being authoritarian.
That's as opposed to the Communists who are not authoritarian?
Usually I am all for free markets and against government censorship of anything - but I would vote yes for any bill that made it illegal for people to watch videos of other people playing video games outside of televised ranked competitions. Why? I hate it. That is it. No legal reason or any sort of substantive or reasonable argument. Good call China.
You know that is facism right? You don't like it so you want to forbid others to do it.
why are you people acting so shocked, have you forgotten China is a communist country, this is what they do has been and always will be this way, their gov. controls everything. what people need to be shocked about is some small portion of people from western countries wants that, they have no idea. this has NOTHING to do with trade war.
Actually, it has nothing to do with them being Communist and everything to do with them being authoritarian.
That's as opposed to the Communists who are not authoritarian?
Although most have been authoritarian dictatorships just like fascist states, there have been several communist governments that were elected democratically and governed in multi party states with India being the first one back in the '50s. There are still some of those around like in Nepal, parts of India and parts of Brazil and of course, parts of Russia still.
They're rare in the western hemisphere though because their fate is usually the same as what happened in Chile in the '70s when they elected Allende (who wasn't even a communist but a socialist) president. That didn't stop the generals with extensively verified CIA backing from staging a successful coup to put a quick stop to that.
So yes, it's rare, but non-authoritarian, democratically elected communist governments have existed and do exist still.
Here in Canada we have never had a socialist prime minister but several provinces have had socialist provincial premieres, including currently in my home province of BC. They're not quite the boogeyman to us like they are to you guys down south
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
why are you people acting so shocked, have you forgotten China is a communist country, this is what they do has been and always will be this way, their gov. controls everything. what people need to be shocked about is some small portion of people from western countries wants that, they have no idea. this has NOTHING to do with trade war.
Actually, it has nothing to do with them being Communist and everything to do with them being authoritarian.
That's as opposed to the Communists who are not authoritarian?
Although most have been authoritarian dictatorships just like fascist states, there have been several communist governments that were elected democratically and governed in multi party states with India being the first one back in the '50s. There are still some of those around like in Nepal, parts of India and parts of Brazil and of course, parts of Russia still.
They're rare in the western hemisphere though because their fate is usually the same as what happened in Chile in the '70s when they elected Allende (who wasn't even a communist but a socialist) president. That didn't stop the generals with extensively verified CIA backing from staging a successful coup to put a quick stop to that.
So yes, it's rare, but non-authoritarian, democratically elected communist governments have existed and do exist still.
Here in Canada we have never had a socialist prime minister but several provinces have had socialist provincial premieres, including currently in my home province of BC. They're not quite the boogeyman to us like they are to you guys down south
I am from the UK,
trying to imply people have negative opinions about communism simply because
they are American does not always work.
Communists will work within a democratic system; after all using democracy is often the best way to transition to communism. I am sure you are aware that
is the stated aim of many of the founders and current proponents of communism.
What happens is like what has occurred in Venezuela,
get democratically elected and then enforce a communist like state. I am sure
you have another take on this maybe Venezuela
is not really communist (I would somewhat agree), or even socialist, maybe that
would never happen elsewhere and so on. Supporters of socialism do tend to have
a different view of what’s happened in Venezuela
funnily enough.
So I have to ask why do you think proponents of a political system
that is opposed to democracy are ever going to be content just working within
it? The end game of a communist is by definition to achieve a communist state but I imagine if you are in power and democracy put you there you may decide not to push it that far. We do need to recognise though that they are ultimately incompatible systems.
And talking of linking communism to being "authoritarian", totalitarian more like, lets mention China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Laos. You see to me those elected communist states you talk of may not really be communist. Indeed that's what many communists think.
It's not trade wars China has accepted the Beast System. China is censoring its citizen speech and plus China have a social score system i.e. "Mark of the Beast" that's reason. Here in America we refuse this system because of our Constitution. God has truly Blessed America. Apple and Google is accepting this system as we speak Anti-Trust lawsuits has been filed against these social media companies the very companies our tax dollars formed thru US Intelligence agencies.
Even if China doesn't have free speech, this is part of the trade war. If relationships were friendly, they'd make their censorship so that western companies can operate at least somewhat, but since there's a trade war, they're now making their censorship so that it also prevents western companies from operating.
why are you people acting so shocked, have you forgotten China is a communist country, this is what they do has been and always will be this way, their gov. controls everything. what people need to be shocked about is some small portion of people from western countries wants that, they have no idea. this has NOTHING to do with trade war.
Actually, it has nothing to do with them being Communist and everything to do with them being authoritarian.
That's as opposed to the Communists who are not authoritarian?
Although most have been authoritarian dictatorships just like fascist states, there have been several communist governments that were elected democratically and governed in multi party states with India being the first one back in the '50s. There are still some of those around like in Nepal, parts of India and parts of Brazil and of course, parts of Russia still.
They're rare in the western hemisphere though because their fate is usually the same as what happened in Chile in the '70s when they elected Allende (who wasn't even a communist but a socialist) president. That didn't stop the generals with extensively verified CIA backing from staging a successful coup to put a quick stop to that.
So yes, it's rare, but non-authoritarian, democratically elected communist governments have existed and do exist still.
Here in Canada we have never had a socialist prime minister but several provinces have had socialist provincial premieres, including currently in my home province of BC. They're not quite the boogeyman to us like they are to you guys down south
I am from the UK,
trying to imply people have negative opinions about communism simply because
they are American does not always work.
Communists will work within a democratic system; after all using democracy is often the best way to transition to communism. I am sure you are aware that
is the stated aim of many of the founders and current proponents of communism.
What happens is like what has occurred in Venezuela,
get democratically elected and then enforce a communist like state. I am sure
you have another take on this maybe Venezuela
is not really communist (I would somewhat agree), or even socialist, maybe that
would never happen elsewhere and so on. Supporters of socialism do tend to have
a different view of what’s happened in Venezuela
funnily enough.
So I have to ask why do you think proponents of a political system
that is opposed to democracy are ever going to be content just working within
it? The end game of a communist is by definition to achieve a communist state but I imagine if you are in power and democracy put you there you may decide not to push it that far. We do need to recognise though that they are ultimately incompatible systems.
And talking of linking communism to being "authoritarian", totalitarian more like, lets mention China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Laos. You see to me those elected communist states you talk of may not really be communist. Indeed that's what many communists think.
This is not the place to have that discussion. If you want to take it to PM, I'd be happy to oblige.
But I do want to say this as my last political contribution to this thread: your totalitarian end game "by definition" is just the usual party line you hear from anti-communist ideologues. There is absolutely nothing about communism nor socialism that defines totalitarianism as their goal.
When it has turned out that way it has been simply because the power elite, being the same kind of swine you find in any power elite group of any political stripe, found it expedient to do that to hold on to power and had the opportunity to do it. Totalitarianism is just a lazy ass way to control the masses. Controlling them in a faux-democracy takes much more skill and work.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
why are you people acting so shocked, have you forgotten China is a communist country, this is what they do has been and always will be this way, their gov. controls everything. what people need to be shocked about is some small portion of people from western countries wants that, they have no idea. this has NOTHING to do with trade war.
Actually, it has nothing to do with them being Communist and everything to do with them being authoritarian.
That's as opposed to the Communists who are not authoritarian?
Although most have been authoritarian dictatorships just like fascist states, there have been several communist governments that were elected democratically and governed in multi party states with India being the first one back in the '50s. There are still some of those around like in Nepal, parts of India and parts of Brazil and of course, parts of Russia still.
They're rare in the western hemisphere though because their fate is usually the same as what happened in Chile in the '70s when they elected Allende (who wasn't even a communist but a socialist) president. That didn't stop the generals with extensively verified CIA backing from staging a successful coup to put a quick stop to that.
So yes, it's rare, but non-authoritarian, democratically elected communist governments have existed and do exist still.
Here in Canada we have never had a socialist prime minister but several provinces have had socialist provincial premieres, including currently in my home province of BC. They're not quite the boogeyman to us like they are to you guys down south
Socialism is a road paved with good intentions, no country has ever survived its implementation, Venezuela is just the latest casualty. The worst of it is that the death count from Socialism is in the millions, it never works.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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dictatorship only good when they have a good leader, when you have a tyrant all it's citizen pay the prize. that's why democracy is better form of government. People forget that china is communist with a very strict law borderline OCD. btw the actress fan bing bing is missing, a lot of people stipulate the chinese government has something to do with kidnapping her and sending her to reeducation camp. In the states you only need to pay fines for tax evasion and not reeducation camp.
Has nothing to do with a trade war and everything to do with the Chinese government wanting Chinese money to stay in China.
That's called a trade war. Both parties try to use their government's power to increase exports and decrease imports so that more money would flow into the country than flows out of the country.
China has been doing this for decades. Things like banning YouTube and facebook weren't just politically motivated to censor the Chinese from outside influences. It was also so Chinese companies could fill those voids and be the ones to profit, while also being censored by the government. WeChat is their facebook and I forget what the popular video site they use is called which is their version of YouTube.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
why are you people acting so shocked, have you forgotten China is a communist country, this is what they do has been and always will be this way, their gov. controls everything. what people need to be shocked about is some small portion of people from western countries wants that, they have no idea. this has NOTHING to do with trade war.
Actually, it has nothing to do with them being Communist and everything to do with them being authoritarian.
That's as opposed to the Communists who are not authoritarian?
Although most have been authoritarian dictatorships just like fascist states, there have been several communist governments that were elected democratically and governed in multi party states with India being the first one back in the '50s. There are still some of those around like in Nepal, parts of India and parts of Brazil and of course, parts of Russia still.
They're rare in the western hemisphere though because their fate is usually the same as what happened in Chile in the '70s when they elected Allende (who wasn't even a communist but a socialist) president. That didn't stop the generals with extensively verified CIA backing from staging a successful coup to put a quick stop to that.
So yes, it's rare, but non-authoritarian, democratically elected communist governments have existed and do exist still.
Here in Canada we have never had a socialist prime minister but several provinces have had socialist provincial premieres, including currently in my home province of BC. They're not quite the boogeyman to us like they are to you guys down south
I am from the UK,
trying to imply people have negative opinions about communism simply because
they are American does not always work.
Communists will work within a democratic system; after all using democracy is often the best way to transition to communism. I am sure you are aware that
is the stated aim of many of the founders and current proponents of communism.
What happens is like what has occurred in Venezuela,
get democratically elected and then enforce a communist like state. I am sure
you have another take on this maybe Venezuela
is not really communist (I would somewhat agree), or even socialist, maybe that
would never happen elsewhere and so on. Supporters of socialism do tend to have
a different view of what’s happened in Venezuela
funnily enough.
So I have to ask why do you think proponents of a political system
that is opposed to democracy are ever going to be content just working within
it? The end game of a communist is by definition to achieve a communist state but I imagine if you are in power and democracy put you there you may decide not to push it that far. We do need to recognise though that they are ultimately incompatible systems.
And talking of linking communism to being "authoritarian", totalitarian more like, lets mention China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Laos. You see to me those elected communist states you talk of may not really be communist. Indeed that's what many communists think.
This is not the place to have that discussion. If you want to take it to PM, I'd be happy to oblige.
But I do want to say this as my last political contribution to this thread: your totalitarian end game "by definition" is just the usual party line you hear from anti-communist ideologues. There is absolutely nothing about communism nor socialism that defines totalitarianism as their goal.
When it has turned out that way it has been simply because the power elite, being the same kind of swine you find in any power elite group of any political stripe, found it expedient to do that to hold on to power and had the opportunity to do it. Totalitarianism is just a lazy ass way to control the masses. Controlling them in a faux-democracy takes much more skill and work.
Well there is more than one kind of communist, I think you brought that across in your last post and I did the same in mine. There is a difference between the ideology of communism and what people take or want it to be, that is the same for any ideology.
But you are quite right, these are not political forums and we have gone way off piste here.
Wait, so their young people won't be able to watch online games being streamed?
Quite brilliant really, in an evil genius sort of way.
they probably can still watch online games streamed, it's not going to be with twitch platform though. Baidu = China google, Weibo= China facebook. they probably have chinese platform for game stream equivalent to twitch, but heavily regulated and censored.
why are you people acting so shocked, have you forgotten China is a communist country, this is what they do has been and always will be this way, their gov. controls everything. what people need to be shocked about is some small portion of people from western countries wants that, they have no idea. this has NOTHING to do with trade war.
Actually, it has nothing to do with them being Communist and everything to do with them being authoritarian.
That's as opposed to the Communists who are not authoritarian?
Although most have been authoritarian dictatorships just like fascist states, there have been several communist governments that were elected democratically and governed in multi party states with India being the first one back in the '50s. There are still some of those around like in Nepal, parts of India and parts of Brazil and of course, parts of Russia still.
They're rare in the western hemisphere though because their fate is usually the same as what happened in Chile in the '70s when they elected Allende (who wasn't even a communist but a socialist) president. That didn't stop the generals with extensively verified CIA backing from staging a successful coup to put a quick stop to that.
So yes, it's rare, but non-authoritarian, democratically elected communist governments have existed and do exist still.
Here in Canada we have never had a socialist prime minister but several provinces have had socialist provincial premieres, including currently in my home province of BC. They're not quite the boogeyman to us like they are to you guys down south
I am from the UK,
trying to imply people have negative opinions about communism simply because
they are American does not always work.
Communists will work within a democratic system; after all using democracy is often the best way to transition to communism. I am sure you are aware that
is the stated aim of many of the founders and current proponents of communism.
What happens is like what has occurred in Venezuela,
get democratically elected and then enforce a communist like state. I am sure
you have another take on this maybe Venezuela
is not really communist (I would somewhat agree), or even socialist, maybe that
would never happen elsewhere and so on. Supporters of socialism do tend to have
a different view of what’s happened in Venezuela
funnily enough.
So I have to ask why do you think proponents of a political system
that is opposed to democracy are ever going to be content just working within
it? The end game of a communist is by definition to achieve a communist state but I imagine if you are in power and democracy put you there you may decide not to push it that far. We do need to recognise though that they are ultimately incompatible systems.
And talking of linking communism to being "authoritarian", totalitarian more like, lets mention China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Laos. You see to me those elected communist states you talk of may not really be communist. Indeed that's what many communists think.
This is not the place to have that discussion. If you want to take it to PM, I'd be happy to oblige.
But I do want to say this as my last political contribution to this thread: your totalitarian end game "by definition" is just the usual party line you hear from anti-communist ideologues. There is absolutely nothing about communism nor socialism that defines totalitarianism as their goal.
When it has turned out that way it has been simply because the power elite, being the same kind of swine you find in any power elite group of any political stripe, found it expedient to do that to hold on to power and had the opportunity to do it. Totalitarianism is just a lazy ass way to control the masses. Controlling them in a faux-democracy takes much more skill and work.
your both wrong
totalitarianism is the endgame of all economic systems because of scarcity of resources and the natural hierarchical + familial natures of the human animal. Communism just get there faster because of the entropic nature of wealth redistribution and the voluntary nature of its formation.
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It's not trade wars China has accepted the Beast System. China is censoring its citizen speech and plus China have a social score system i.e. "Mark of the Beast" that's reason. Here in America we refuse this system because of our Constitution. God has truly Blessed America. Apple and Google is accepting this system as we speak Anti-Trust lawsuits has been filed against these social media companies the very companies our tax dollars formed thru US Intelligence agencies.
You don't like it so you want to forbid others to do it.
They're rare in the western hemisphere though because their fate is usually the same as what happened in Chile in the '70s when they elected Allende (who wasn't even a communist but a socialist) president. That didn't stop the generals with extensively verified CIA backing from staging a successful coup to put a quick stop to that.
So yes, it's rare, but non-authoritarian, democratically elected communist governments have existed and do exist still.
Here in Canada we have never had a socialist prime minister but several provinces have had socialist provincial premieres, including currently in my home province of BC. They're not quite the boogeyman to us like they are to you guys down south
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I am from the UK, trying to imply people have negative opinions about communism simply because they are American does not always work.
Communists will work within a democratic system; after all using democracy is often the best way to transition to communism. I am sure you are aware that is the stated aim of many of the founders and current proponents of communism.
What happens is like what has occurred in Venezuela, get democratically elected and then enforce a communist like state. I am sure you have another take on this maybe Venezuela is not really communist (I would somewhat agree), or even socialist, maybe that would never happen elsewhere and so on. Supporters of socialism do tend to have a different view of what’s happened in Venezuela funnily enough.
So I have to ask why do you think proponents of a political system that is opposed to democracy are ever going to be content just working within it? The end game of a communist is by definition to achieve a communist state but I imagine if you are in power and democracy put you there you may decide not to push it that far. We do need to recognise though that they are ultimately incompatible systems.
And talking of linking communism to being "authoritarian", totalitarian more like, lets mention China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Laos. You see to me those elected communist states you talk of may not really be communist. Indeed that's what many communists think.
But I do want to say this as my last political contribution to this thread: your totalitarian end game "by definition" is just the usual party line you hear from anti-communist ideologues. There is absolutely nothing about communism nor socialism that defines totalitarianism as their goal.
When it has turned out that way it has been simply because the power elite, being the same kind of swine you find in any power elite group of any political stripe, found it expedient to do that to hold on to power and had the opportunity to do it. Totalitarianism is just a lazy ass way to control the masses. Controlling them in a faux-democracy takes much more skill and work.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Well, at least here in the US, 393 million civilian held firearms for starters.
For better and worse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/there-are-more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-according-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
China has been doing this for decades. Things like banning YouTube and facebook weren't just politically motivated to censor the Chinese from outside influences. It was also so Chinese companies could fill those voids and be the ones to profit, while also being censored by the government. WeChat is their facebook and I forget what the popular video site they use is called which is their version of YouTube.
Quite brilliant really, in an evil genius sort of way.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
But you are quite right, these are not political forums and we have gone way off piste here.
totalitarianism is the endgame of all economic systems because of scarcity of resources and the natural hierarchical + familial natures of the human animal. Communism just get there faster because of the entropic nature of wealth redistribution and the voluntary nature of its formation.