Action Combat Shown in Latest Stream Event & Full Stream Replay - Ashes of Creation Videos - MMORPG.

System · August 2018

Action Combat Shown in Latest Stream Event & Full Stream Replay - Ashes of Creation Videos - MMORPG.com

During last night's Ashes of Creation Twitch stream, the team showed off some new combat footage showing the growth of development. The minute-long snip was posted on YouTube by Hand of Unity and it comes with the usual caveat that "the animations are not representative of the final product" and so forth. However, they are a far pace from earlier combat videos and doubtless representative of the forthcoming alpha.

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achmede · August 2018

Looks better and better with each update.
This is goona be good

Slapshot1188 · August 2018

It will be interesting to see how the game performs in large scale PvP with all those effects.

Maurgrim · August 2018

Slapshot1188 said:

It will be interesting to see how the game performs in large scale PvP with all those effects.

As in all games turn down graphic, nothing new here.

Slapshot1188 · August 2018

Maurgrim said:

Slapshot1188 said:

It will be interesting to see how the game performs in large scale PvP with all those effects.

As in all games turn down graphic, nothing new here.

That’s a very ignorant position to take IMHO.
There are benefits and negatives to engines. This is a combat demo video. It’s showing lots of effects with just a tiny amount of players fighting. In a siege there will be far more. I am sure they are aware of that. I think it will be interesting to see how they address that. If their solution is simply “turn down graphic” it will be quite disappointing (and likely unsuccessful). So let’s hope they have a better plan that that one.

Mikeha · August 2018

Bunny hoping combat.

Jimmydean · August 2018

Very disappointing so far. Looks exactly like ESOs flighty, non impact combat

mcrippins · August 2018

Uh oh.. skill based combat. Inb4 half the community freaks out.

Alomar · August 2018

Has potential and liking what I see more and more, looking forward to trying it in 2020.

Daft · August 2018

Like warframe combat

Scarran · August 2018

I really like the way this game is coming along, its still got a long way to go but I can see the potential in this one.

I am also glad that these are not the final animations as they need to have more oommphhh like GW2 has rather than ESO style animations that look like your tickling the enemy. The effects also need toning down a bit as they will be mega distracting in large scale battles.

sausagemix · August 2018

Daft said:

Like warframe combat

I was thinking the same thing. It looks like progress from what they had before but Im not a fan of the weird tight camera and motion blurring.

boris20 · August 2018

Officially on my radar after seeing this video. Seems like it will have some crisp engaging combat as the game evolves and gets completed.

Albatroes · August 2018

It looks exactly like For Honor with magic now....

FlyByKnight · August 2018

Ashes of Creation... you now have my attention.

Brizlyn · August 2018

Another action combat mmo...it looks pretty, but what will make it better than bdo, archeage, aion, or gw2? Or the 1000, ok maybe not quite 1000, other mmos with action combat?

Twitch based combat is over represented in mmos. Hoping aoc kind of leans back to the thought/ability based combat side of things they showed previously.

Tiller · August 2018

Slapshot1188 said:

Maurgrim said:

Slapshot1188 said:

It will be interesting to see how the game performs in large scale PvP with all those effects.

As in all games turn down graphic, nothing new here.

That’s a very ignorant position to take IMHO.
There are benefits and negatives to engines. This is a combat demo video. It’s showing lots of effects with just a tiny amount of players fighting. In a siege there will be far more. I am sure they are aware of that. I think it will be interesting to see how they address that. If their solution is simply “turn down graphic” it will be quite disappointing (and likely unsuccessful). So let’s hope they have a better plan that that one.

This has been an issue in most MMOS for years to some extent, some worse than others. Even after all these years people accept that fact in GW2 sadly. If you want to avoid skill lag, set PC settings to potato during large events. Honestly I think if you spent 3k on building a PC it should be able to run at full frames no mater how people are around.

Sabrac · August 2018

Brizlyn said:

Another action combat mmo...it looks pretty, but what will make it better than bdo, archeage, aion, or gw2? Or the 1000, ok maybe not quite 1000, other mmos with action combat?

Twitch based combat is over represented in mmos. Hoping aoc kind of leans back to the thought/ability based combat side of things they showed previously.

Probably that's where their node system comes in (which is what got my attention of this mmo in the first place), have heard a lot about it but haven't seen it in practice, i'll reserve my interest in the game until i see it in action but considering how much the community had asked for improvements on the combat can't blame them for focusing on that first.

We'll see how all turns out but they seem to be making progress tbh.

makevali · August 2018

Looks great! I'm excited from watching this video. But, they better not make the game subscription model that would be a deal-breaker!

Groqstrong · August 2018

Camera is too close for 3rd person

Slapshot1188 · August 2018

makevali said:

Looks great! I'm excited from watching this video. But, they better not make the game subscription model that would be a deal-breaker!

Didn’t they already say it was sub based?

Thats one of the reasons I’m watching it. I think we have enough F2P lootbox/labor potion type games available. Time for some balance.

Mackaveli44 · August 2018

Turning into action combat is a down mark for me personally. Making it a super fast paced, even more button mashing fest.

Angreeegamer · August 2018

Brizlyn said:

Another action combat mmo...it looks pretty, but what will make it better than bdo, archeage, aion, or gw2? Or the 1000, ok maybe not quite 1000, other mmos with action combat?

Twitch based combat is over represented in mmos. Hoping aoc kind of leans back to the thought/ability based combat side of things they showed previously.

Reddit honestly did a better job of covering this, since for starters they actually linked to the full video clip:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/9849tf/news_ashes_of_creation_is_streaming_their_new/

"For [Intrepid's] finalized combat system, they plan to allow players the option to spec into up to 75% in either Action, or Tab oriented combat which will allow players to hybridize their characters to fit their specific play-style. "

FlyByKnight · August 2018

Well it's running on Unreal Engine 4, so my excitement has subsided a bit. I don't think any MMORPG dev has tamed that beast to run remotely decent with a bunch of players on the screen.

Outside of this, my sole problem with tab targeting is projectiles. I absolutely hate playing a game where a projectile is coming at me and I can't dodge it. It just doesn't resolve in my brain. I think it's quite ridiculous seeing a fireball curving stupidly to hit me.

I also don't like when I'm looking at something and attempting to melee it but the tab target is elsewhere so it doesn't register.

This is why I tend to lean towards MMORPGs that have methodical action combat and some rooted animations so there is risk vs reward during combat for everybody. If I make a mistake my opponents shouldn't have to be Daigo Umehara to punish my miss. On the flipside they shouldn't be able to hit me just because they just have tab target sitting on me.

TL;DR

UE4 doesn't belong in MMORPGs (right now)

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Tab target doesn't belong anywhere close to action based combat. I think it's better suited for turn-based game play which is a different type of fun.

JamesGoblin · August 2018

FlyByKnight said:

Well it's running on Unreal Engine 4, so my excitement has subsided a bit. I don't think any MMORPG dev has tamed that beast to run remotely decent with a bunch of players on the screen.

Outside of this, my sole problem with tab targeting is projectiles. I absolutely hate playing a game where a projectile is coming at me and I can't dodge it. It just doesn't resolve in my brain. I think it's quite ridiculous seeing a fireball curving stupidly to hit me.

I also don't like when I'm looking at something and attempting to melee it but the tab target is elsewhere so it doesn't register.

This is why I tend to lean towards MMORPGs that have methodical action combat and some rooted animations so there is risk vs reward during combat for everybody. If I make a mistake my opponents shouldn't have to be Daigo Umehara to punish my miss. On the flipside they shouldn't be able to hit me just because they just have tab target sitting on me.

TL;DR

UE4 doesn't belong in MMORPGs (right now)

&

Tab target doesn't belong anywhere close to action based combat. I think it's better suited for turn-based game play which is a different type of fun.

Connected to that, they are supposed to somehow move from 1v1s and couple other things shown so far to launching an UE4 MMORPG...next year??

Sovrath · August 2018

Groqstrong said:

Camera is too close for 3rd person

Huh, I was actually thinking "finally, a 3rd person view that doesn't reveal everything around the player."

Why should the players get a 360 bird's eye view? It ruins the idea of where you need to be on the battlefield in relation to attackers who might get you from the side or behind.

I'd like to see more of this.

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