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SBFord · August 2018

World of Warcraft - Battle for Azeroth: More of the Same, But in a Good Way? - MMORPG.com

Fourteen years young and WoW is back with another expansion. Can Battle for Azeroth repeat the overall success of Legion? By all accounts so far, there’s a lot of what made Legion work present in Blizzard’s latest, and if the early hours of play are any indication, more of the same might not be so bad.

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Scot · August 2018

We don't just have the WoW template, now we have the WoW DLC template.

BillMurphy · August 2018

Scot said:

We don't just have the WoW template, now we have the WoW DLC template.

Basically. But that's OK. ESO goes the same way. I'm glad they're keeping features that work, while also trying new things. It's better than completely abandoning stuff that works, while testing new stuff too. I'd be sad if the follower/mission/artifact stuff was all just gone. It's changed, so it's familiar, and part of what makes WoW tick.

Panther2103 · August 2018

BillMurphy said:

Scot said:

We don't just have the WoW template, now we have the WoW DLC template.

Basically. But that's OK. ESO goes the same way. I'm glad they're keeping features that work, while also trying new things. It's better than completely abandoning stuff that works, while testing new stuff too. I'd be sad if the follower/mission/artifact stuff was all just gone. It's changed, so it's familiar, and part of what makes WoW tick.

I really hate the follower / mission stuff. How prominent is it in this expansion? It's actually the one thing that completely turned me off from WoW since WoD as it just felt like a weird phone game built into the game.

MadFrenchie · August 2018

BillMurphy said:

Scot said:

We don't just have the WoW template, now we have the WoW DLC template.

Basically. But that's OK. ESO goes the same way. I'm glad they're keeping features that work, while also trying new things. It's better than completely abandoning stuff that works, while testing new stuff too. I'd be sad if the follower/mission/artifact stuff was all just gone. It's changed, so it's familiar, and part of what makes WoW tick.

The artifact stuff is gone though, right? The followers and mission tables remain, and I'm currently accruing "War Points," though I'm not precisely sure what towards yet. I didn't delve into beta info for the expansion, so the systems are all new.

Gutlard · August 2018

I'm still hoping they beef up their Garrisons some how, and turn them into awesome housing mechanics. It would be nice if they did like a SWTOR legacy thing, and you just had 1 major Garrison for your Horde toons and 1 for your Alliance ones, so all your work on all your alts went towards the one Garrison....

Make it an entire town/village, and have it so each of your toons can have a slice of the Garrison as their own, with tons of different furniture/housing options...

...you know, the important stuff in a MMORPG! :P

Gut Out!

Albatroes · August 2018

Panther2103 said:

BillMurphy said:

Scot said:

We don't just have the WoW template, now we have the WoW DLC template.

Basically. But that's OK. ESO goes the same way. I'm glad they're keeping features that work, while also trying new things. It's better than completely abandoning stuff that works, while testing new stuff too. I'd be sad if the follower/mission/artifact stuff was all just gone. It's changed, so it's familiar, and part of what makes WoW tick.

I really hate the follower / mission stuff. How prominent is it in this expansion? It's actually the one thing that completely turned me off from WoW since WoD as it just felt like a weird phone game built into the game.

They aren't gating content behind it (yet), just a chance at bonus azerite/resources to world quests, hearth cooldown lowering etc and you can have followers bring you back crafting mats if you want as well.

Leiloni · August 2018

The Horde side in Zandalar has been really cool, too. I didn't get in much playtime last night but I had a great time with what I did play. There's so much more to see so I can't wait to get back on tonight.

MadFrenchie · August 2018

SedrynTyros said:

Panther2103 said:

BillMurphy said:

Scot said:

We don't just have the WoW template, now we have the WoW DLC template.

Basically. But that's OK. ESO goes the same way. I'm glad they're keeping features that work, while also trying new things. It's better than completely abandoning stuff that works, while testing new stuff too. I'd be sad if the follower/mission/artifact stuff was all just gone. It's changed, so it's familiar, and part of what makes WoW tick.

I really hate the follower / mission stuff. How prominent is it in this expansion? It's actually the one thing that completely turned me off from WoW since WoD as it just felt like a weird phone game built into the game.

I hear ya. Supposedly, it's toned down in this expansion from what it was in Legion, but I've heard that kind of bullshit before from Blizzard so we'll need to see how it actually plays. It'll be disconcerting if, once again, the most time-efficient gold faucet in the game comes from mission table chores, so I really, really hope that isn't case.

Do Garrison's make a lot of gold? Because I never made much gold off my Order Hall missions. Rarely was gold or anything I could sell a reward. I didn't fool with my Garrison because it's way out in the middle of BFE by itself, completely untethered to every other part of the game.

JeffSpicoli · August 2018

Iv put in a small amount of time but im really enjoying it. Love the aesthetics of Stormsong Valley, reminds me of MOP which was the last xpac i really enjoyed. So far im enjoying BFA more than i thought i would

cheyane · August 2018

Danmit I resubbed but have not bought the expansion. I am levelling the character I created when the scaling patch went in but I dropped it soon after so continuing and have no idea how long I will stick it out . I have not bought a WoW expansion for a long time.

I could never make money and if I absolutely cannot afford the riding or flying skills I might just buy a token and sell it. Yah, yah a sellout I am.

Soki123 · August 2018

Great, great, great x pac.

MadFrenchie · August 2018

SedrynTyros said:

MadFrenchie said:

SedrynTyros said:

Panther2103 said:

BillMurphy said:

Scot said:

We don't just have the WoW template, now we have the WoW DLC template.

Basically. But that's OK. ESO goes the same way. I'm glad they're keeping features that work, while also trying new things. It's better than completely abandoning stuff that works, while testing new stuff too. I'd be sad if the follower/mission/artifact stuff was all just gone. It's changed, so it's familiar, and part of what makes WoW tick.

I really hate the follower / mission stuff. How prominent is it in this expansion? It's actually the one thing that completely turned me off from WoW since WoD as it just felt like a weird phone game built into the game.

I hear ya. Supposedly, it's toned down in this expansion from what it was in Legion, but I've heard that kind of bullshit before from Blizzard so we'll need to see how it actually plays. It'll be disconcerting if, once again, the most time-efficient gold faucet in the game comes from mission table chores, so I really, really hope that isn't case.

Do Garrison's make a lot of gold? Because I never made much gold off my Order Hall missions. Rarely was gold or anything I could sell a reward. I didn't fool with my Garrison because it's way out in the middle of BFE by itself, completely untethered to every other part of the game.

Garrisons did have Gold Missions but I didn't play Warlords of Draenor enough during its run to know how much you got for the top missions.

The gold you could make from Legion Order Hall missions was ridiculous. If you had 7 champions fully equipped at ilevel 950, you could make between 2500 and 3000 gold per gold mission, with an average of two or three missions every couple of days. I easily made 2 million gold over six months of playing between two characters just from the mission tables, and it was probably more like 2.5 million. It was by far the most time-efficient gold faucet in Legion.

I just don't understand how. I never regularly got missions that rewarded gold. Certainly never enough to make 3k per mission. They never even showed up as available.

EDIT- not that it ever really affected me in a negative way, I should say. Other than gems for sockets or alt gear, I haven't felt the need to purchase anything. All the best gear was found doing Legion PvE content.

MadFrenchie · August 2018

SedrynTyros said:

MadFrenchie said:

SedrynTyros said:

MadFrenchie said:

SedrynTyros said:

Panther2103 said:

BillMurphy said:

Scot said:

We don't just have the WoW template, now we have the WoW DLC template.

Basically. But that's OK. ESO goes the same way. I'm glad they're keeping features that work, while also trying new things. It's better than completely abandoning stuff that works, while testing new stuff too. I'd be sad if the follower/mission/artifact stuff was all just gone. It's changed, so it's familiar, and part of what makes WoW tick.

I really hate the follower / mission stuff. How prominent is it in this expansion? It's actually the one thing that completely turned me off from WoW since WoD as it just felt like a weird phone game built into the game.

I hear ya. Supposedly, it's toned down in this expansion from what it was in Legion, but I've heard that kind of bullshit before from Blizzard so we'll need to see how it actually plays. It'll be disconcerting if, once again, the most time-efficient gold faucet in the game comes from mission table chores, so I really, really hope that isn't case.

Do Garrison's make a lot of gold? Because I never made much gold off my Order Hall missions. Rarely was gold or anything I could sell a reward. I didn't fool with my Garrison because it's way out in the middle of BFE by itself, completely untethered to every other part of the game.

Garrisons did have Gold Missions but I didn't play Warlords of Draenor enough during its run to know how much you got for the top missions.

The gold you could make from Legion Order Hall missions was ridiculous. If you had 7 champions fully equipped at ilevel 950, you could make between 2500 and 3000 gold per gold mission, with an average of two or three missions every couple of days. I easily made 2 million gold over six months of playing between two characters just from the mission tables, and it was probably more like 2.5 million. It was by far the most time-efficient gold faucet in Legion.

I just don't understand how. I never regularly got missions that rewarded gold. Certainly never enough to make 3k per mission. They never even showed up as available.

When did you start playing Legion? Gold Missions were removed when the pre-patch hit and replaced with Missions the rewarded Order Hall Resources. Same thing happened with Garrisons at the of Warlords of Draenor; removal of Gold Missions with the Legion pre-patch. But a few months ago, it was pretty rare when an entire day past and I didn't get a single gold mission in my Order Hall. Others who played could corroborate this.

Keep in the mind that the base gold reward from Order Hall missions was between 400 and 700ish gold with ilevel 950 missions, but the bonus reward could be 2000 gold or more. So you had to have 200% chance of success to be guaranteed to get your average of 2500-3000 gold per mission, but that wasn't a problem if your champions were fully upgraded.

That may be what I was missing then. I didn't check for the bonus reward because I was primarily concerned with leveling my artifacts and getting things like Argunite to further gear out my characters.

lahnmir · August 2018

MisterZebub said:

So did a bunch of people hit level cap on the first day or is my friend just exaggerating?

Several did, about 3 in my guild already are 120.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

MadFrenchie · August 2018

If you haven't already hit cap with all your 110s.. Do you even play, bro?

SBFord · August 2018

I enjoyed my time in Vol'dune just being a tourist. My partner and I finished the zone and are 113 (barely) and are looking forward to Zuldazar tomorrow. It may take a week to get to 120 and that's fine. Then it'll be the War Campaign, Island Expeditions, Warfronts and dungeons after. We're having a great time simply because we don't care at all about getting to max level.

Myrdynn · August 2018

Can I do the quests to unlock the new races/skins, and then use my auto 110 on one of them?

TheScavenger · August 2018

Some of the allied races take a long time to get. Void elves I think are the hardest of them all, can take up to a month of constant playing to unlock them. Probably faster as humans but still takes time. Its also partly RNG if you get missions that reward reputation with Argussian Reach or/and get the world quests that drop the extra reputation with them.

The other allied races you can get by normally playing.

Drewwho · August 2018

Considering Blizzard advertises on this website and they probably get a lot of perks like all expenses paid to Blizcon its unlikely they would ever say a bad thing about it anyway . So more of the same but in good way is about as far as mmorpg.com will go to say they find fault in it .

Cant bite the hand that feeds you .

Myrdynn · August 2018

SedrynTyros said:

Myrdynn said:

Can I do the quests to unlock the new races/skins, and then use my auto 110 on one of them?

There's a bit of contention in the community on this issue.

The first four allied races (Light Forge Draenai, Vold Elves, Highmountain Tauren, Nightborne) can only be unlocked by completing pre-requisites in Legion content. You need to complete specific questlines and obtain Exalted reputation with specific factions.

The next two allied races (Dark Iron Dwarves, Mag'har Orcs) are unlocked by completing the war campaigns in Battle for Azeroth content.

But once you unlock an Allied Race, you can use your boost on them .... if you don't mind forfeiting the Heritage armor, which can only be acquired by leveling them the old fashioned way.

why would I need heritage armor if they are already 110? Also I unlocked every piece of the leveling armor up to legion, couldnt i use those?

Horusra · August 2018

Myrdynn said:

SedrynTyros said:

Myrdynn said:

Can I do the quests to unlock the new races/skins, and then use my auto 110 on one of them?

There's a bit of contention in the community on this issue.

The first four allied races (Light Forge Draenai, Vold Elves, Highmountain Tauren, Nightborne) can only be unlocked by completing pre-requisites in Legion content. You need to complete specific questlines and obtain Exalted reputation with specific factions.

The next two allied races (Dark Iron Dwarves, Mag'har Orcs) are unlocked by completing the war campaigns in Battle for Azeroth content.

But once you unlock an Allied Race, you can use your boost on them .... if you don't mind forfeiting the Heritage armor, which can only be acquired by leveling them the old fashioned way.

why would I need heritage armor if they are already 110? Also I unlocked every piece of the leveling armor up to legion, couldnt i use those?

heritage armor is a transmog.

TheScavenger · August 2018

TheScavenger said:

Some of the allied races take a long time to get. Void elves I think are the hardest of them all, can take up to a month of constant playing to unlock them. Probably faster as humans but still takes time. Its also partly RNG if you get missions that reward reputation with Argussian Reach or/and get the world quests that drop the extra reputation with them.

The other allied races you can get by normally playing.

Slight correction: For the void elves...it seems doing any of the world quests in argus gives the correct reputation to unlock the VE. I don't recall that being a thing before when I last was raising reputation with them. So that should speed up unlocking them quite a bit.

JeffSpicoli · August 2018

Drewwho said:

Considering Blizzard advertises on this website and they probably get a lot of perks like all expenses paid to Blizcon its unlikely they would ever say a bad thing about it anyway . So more of the same but in good way is about as far as mmorpg.com will go to say they find fault in it .

Cant bite the hand that feeds you .

Na the review/article was pretty spot on, Like he says at the end if you are not a fan of wow or tired of it you probably wont like it.

Yaevindusk · August 2018

MadFrenchie said:

SedrynTyros said:

MadFrenchie said:

SedrynTyros said:

Panther2103 said:

BillMurphy said:

Scot said:

Garrisons did have Gold Missions but I didn't play Warlords of Draenor enough during its run to know how much you got for the top missions.

The gold you could make from Legion Order Hall missions was ridiculous. If you had 7 champions fully equipped at ilevel 950, you could make between 2500 and 3000 gold per gold mission, with an average of two or three missions every couple of days. I easily made 2 million gold over six months of playing between two characters just from the mission tables, and it was probably more like 2.5 million. It was by far the most time-efficient gold faucet in Legion.

I just don't understand how. I never regularly got missions that rewarded gold. Certainly never enough to make 3k per mission. They never even showed up as available.

EDIT- not that it ever really affected me in a negative way, I should say. Other than gems for sockets or alt gear, I haven't felt the need to purchase anything. All the best gear was found doing Legion PvE content.

Yeah, I can confirm that you could make upwards of 15-30k gold a day from garrison missions if you had some 20+ alts with 900+ item level champions and a maxed out order hall. The problem was getting resources and such to keep up with doing that every day, on all those toons.

Gold missions appeared on maybe 3/5ths of my characters at any given time. Some 3-5 gold missions, where bonuses gave you 1500 and the base gold was usually 500-900. Taking the time to set them all up as Epic / Legendary quality followers and getting legendary / increased success items for them was also a part of it so that the bonus was won most of the time.

Horusra · August 2018

Gold missions are gone now in old content.

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