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Why I went with ESO and not another MMO

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,584
    I like ESO because crafting is optional for one thing.  I can level and quest just fine without it in PvE.  ESO has it's problems but isn't all that bad.  I find it easy to get lost in the game for hours at a time.  Pretty much the same for GW2 for me.  Hopping from one to the other is a nice change of pace.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 7,910
    Iselin said:

    It's actually the most sophisticated phasing tech I've ever seen in an MMO.
    With One Tamriel, the game did so many things right I'm impressed almost every day I log in by some new detail Bethesda implemented better than it ever was done before.

    When ESO was released, I had a much better game (GW2), so I skipped it after trying it during beta and being not impressed by what looked like another "WoW clone".
    But that was before One Tamriel. That patch changed this game into the best existing "theme park" MMORPG, I'd rather call it "Sandpark" anyway. GW2 already reminded me of Asheron's Call 1, but ESO even more.
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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 723
    All this talk about ESO really makes me what to give it another shot. Maybe after another Divinity Original Sin 2 playthrough. xD
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,240
    edited December 2017
    Coldren said:
    Personally, for all of ESO's benefits, there are 3 things that made me quit after playing since beta that just come down to personal taste:

    1) I got REALLY tired of bar-swapping. I hate that. Let me put skills for both my weapons on one bar - there is a noticeable lag for me (Though some say it doesn't exist, fine, but it does for me) when I try to swap them. For that matter, I don't really like weapon-swapping period. And animation cancelling.

    2) Itemization - There is a new OP FOTM gear set every month, mostly in the form of Monster gear, which unless you have these instances on farm, you will get crushed in PvP via pure procs. I've seen way to many fights between good players (Not me, mind you, I'm average at best) come down to sheer random chance.

    3) Class balance - You wouldn't think that having only 3 different skill lines would make that big a difference, but.. Damn.. Does it ever. They use the nerf hammer in ESO pretty liberally. 

    Granted, this is all opinion at the time of quitting (After Shadows of the Hist), and may have changed. But for me, that's why I left.

    The Craft Bag though? That I agree.. Sheer joy.
    I agree with the weapon-swapping- I wish there was an option to use the same weapon (not just weapon type) on both bars.

    As @Sovrath mentioned, and especially for those of us with MMORPG gaming mice complete with 12 side buttons, a modifier key is much more intuitive and convenient.

    While I'm not faulting Zeni for the decision, the extremely limited skill bars that are divided into two sides smacks of a move made to keep the game console-friendly.  It ends up being a sore point for me.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,165
    Coldren said:
    Personally, for all of ESO's benefits, there are 3 things that made me quit after playing since beta that just come down to personal taste:

    1) I got REALLY tired of bar-swapping. I hate that. Let me put skills for both my weapons on one bar - there is a noticeable lag for me (Though some say it doesn't exist, fine, but it does for me) when I try to swap them. For that matter, I don't really like weapon-swapping period. And animation cancelling.

    2) Itemization - There is a new OP FOTM gear set every month, mostly in the form of Monster gear, which unless you have these instances on farm, you will get crushed in PvP via pure procs. I've seen way to many fights between good players (Not me, mind you, I'm average at best) come down to sheer random chance.

    3) Class balance - You wouldn't think that having only 3 different skill lines would make that big a difference, but.. Damn.. Does it ever. They use the nerf hammer in ESO pretty liberally. 

    Granted, this is all opinion at the time of quitting (After Shadows of the Hist), and may have changed. But for me, that's why I left.

    The Craft Bag though? That I agree.. Sheer joy.
    I agree with the weapon-swapping- I wish there was an option to use the same weapon (not just weapon type) on both bars.

    As @Sovrath mentioned, and especially for those of us with MMORPG gaming mice complete with 12 side buttons, a modifier key is much more intuitive and convenient.

    While I'm not faulting Zeni for the decision, the extremely limited skill bars that are divided into two sides smacks of a move made to keep the game console-friendly.  It ends up being a sore point for me.
    You do get used to it and with a gaming mouse it actually serves to free up many of the buttons for other things such as crouching, sprinting, calling my horse, etc.

    I have 5 buttons bound to 1-5 and one button to weapon swap. When I swap I just use the same 1-5 buttons to use the actions bound on the other bar. I actually prefer it this way. If they did it the other way I would have to bind 1- 0 on my mouse instead. And like you say, you can if you wish have a bow on both bars for example.

    Also, when you get into high end DPS min-maxing, a weapon swap also serves to animation cancel so many people use the swap as yet another way in a rotation to up the DPS.


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  • OrashnaOrashna Member CommonPosts: 8
    All this talk about ESO really makes me what to give it another shot. Maybe after another Divinity Original Sin 2 playthrough. xD

    Hah, I agree! I came on here to check out some new games and saw ESO


    Decided to check out the threads and was surprised how much seeing people talk about it was making me want to load my Assassin back up and play!  (only got like 4 champion lvls before I stopped)

  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    edited March 2018
    Started playing ESO again. Been having a lot of fun...it looks a LOT better with this reshade (to me anyway)

    It has a sort of "Dark Souls" vibe to it

    https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/7349/

    Looks awesome

    Though next time I play, going to try...

    https://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls3/mods/243/

    Just to see if that works as well for ESO, its 50/50 if reshades work for other games when they are made for another game. I used that reshade for Witcher 3 and it worked amazingly, but tried it in another game and not so much.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 10,923
    I would put ESO and FFIV on a par. I just can't face WoW as the graphics are so old, not a good reason I know. GW2 I do not rate at all, so much of it stands against the principles of what I think MMOs should be about.

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  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,050
    if u like it, why are you here complaining?
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    Scot said:
    I would put ESO and FFIV on a par. I just can't face WoW as the graphics are so old, not a good reason I know. GW2 I do not rate at all, so much of it stands against the principles of what I think MMOs should be about.
    Yeah, ESO and FFXIV are about equal to me as well. FFXIV has really fun raids, and I always liked Final Fantasy in general. Really awesome MMO, and one of the few that "died", got remade and then succeeded. 
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  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,127
    Personally I just perfer ESO.
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,303
    Started playing ESO again. Been having a lot of fun...it looks a LOT better with this reshade (to me anyway)

    It has a sort of "Dark Souls" vibe to it

    https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/7349/

    Looks awesome

    Though next time I play, going to try...

    https://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls3/mods/243/

    Just to see if that works as well for ESO, its 50/50 if reshades work for other games when they are made for another game. I used that reshade for Witcher 3 and it worked amazingly, but tried it in another game and not so much.
    um you lose so much detail with those shaders.  Maybe there's a happy compromise between the two
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,303
    Scot said:
    I would put ESO and FFIV on a par. I just can't face WoW as the graphics are so old, not a good reason I know. GW2 I do not rate at all, so much of it stands against the principles of what I think MMOs should be about.
    I'm not sure what the proper term is, but I have issues with "realistic" graphics like Elder Scrolls games.  It's not quite uncanny valley as I'm referring to environments as well.  But I have no issues with stylized graphics like GW2 or even WOW over "realistic" ones.  LOTRO really bugged me visually when it launched, except in hobbit areas.  Stone and wood constructs are especially an issue to me as they just look off.
  • BananableBananable Member UncommonPosts: 194
    edited August 2018
    "Why I went with ESO"
    Im more curious where did you went with ESO? To the restaurant?

    P.S. But seriously
    "Pretty much the same for GW2 for me"
    Really?
    -Combat is silly
    -Story solo only
    -lvling is slower
    -Crafting is pointless and way too long
    -Tamriel Unlimited update made things even worse
    -Classess/weapons/skills unbalanced
    -Trading system is weird

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,202
    Started playing ESO again. Been having a lot of fun...it looks a LOT better with this reshade (to me anyway)

    It has a sort of "Dark Souls" vibe to it

    https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/7349/

    Looks awesome

    Though next time I play, going to try...

    https://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls3/mods/243/

    Just to see if that works as well for ESO, its 50/50 if reshades work for other games when they are made for another game. I used that reshade for Witcher 3 and it worked amazingly, but tried it in another game and not so much.
    omg thanks! That dark and immersive is perfect for me!!!!!!



  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 6,739
    The ESO world is pretty but the gameplay is bland imo.... I was expercting more like a Skyrim or Morrowind type adventure.
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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 551
    I liked ESO better when I didn't have to go through Steam to play it...with the connection issues that happen a lot that you have to 'work around.'

    I've had a recent issue with my ESO account only having the Tamriel Unlimited Imperial Edition tied to it, as I did Beta and played before being forced to go through Steam.

    Since playing through Steam, I've bought Morrowind, Nightmare Senche, Queen's Bounty, Summer Set Collector's Edition, but my ESO account is still stuck at Imperial Edition.....

    Had I bought it all through my ESO account instead of Steam, and my ESO account was at the Summer Set account level, could I log into ESO through my PS4 and have it be at the Summerset level as well, or do I have to rebuy everything regardless?

    I contacted customer service and they said it's 'WAI, sorry for the inconvenience bro,' but if I screwed myself into having to buy expacs twice by buying through Steam which they make you do, I think that's shitty.

    And they said in-game purchases do carry over from PC to PS4, so if there's a best way to purchase content they should be listed for morons like me to know....

    Gut Out!

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    What, me worry?

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member RarePosts: 2,307
    I would say bad taste, but whatever
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  • JavisoJaviso Member UncommonPosts: 15
    This is a great post and some good feedback.

    I've played ESO since launch along with GW2 and LOTRO. Played WoW since launch for 4 years and recently started playing it again. I knew I needed to eliminate some and focus on a main MMO.

    GW2: I just can't stand the puzzles and along with the inventory management issues and the microtransactions issues mentioned above. However, it has the second best fast travel of the four and the visuals are nice along with the daily login rewards. I have all of the expansions and do enjoy the mounts and the living story. Heart of Thorns zones were difficult to navigate. I recently uninstalled.

    ESO: Hands down the best fast travel. Can read my mail from anywhere and can port from anywhere to anywhere for a fee or for free from a wayshrine. The recently added daily login rewards are nice as well. Inventory management, no AH and bar swapping are issues for me but I managed for the last few years. Thought about subscribing mainly for the crowns and crafting bag bonuses but didn't. The game is still installed but I barely login.

    LOTRO: Been playing since launch and am a founder member that paid $199 to play for free for life. Love the lore and purchased all expansions. The travel system is absolutely awful and they still suffer from performance issues, even on my system with 32GB RAM, Core i7-8700K and a GTX 1080Ti. The game is still installed.

    WoW: I played since launch in 2004 for four years but cancelled due to playing LOTRO more regularly in 2008. However, after watching so many videos I recently reinstalled and am having a blast. Going to buy BfA and resub this week as this is the game for me. Even though the travel system isn't my favorite, I am loving my Night Elf Druid. The game has changed so much since I stopped playing in 2008 and I am all caught up in the hype. This will be my main MMO for now. Love the AH and the graphics are just fine. I wish I could get my mail from anywhere but then again I really don't get a lot of it to make it matter. I really struggled with paying $15 a month again but if I was going to do it for ESO, then I can do it for WoW. And in the end, life is short and it really doesn't matter.  However if I am not playing while I am subbed and playing something else, like Stellaris, then I might feel guilty but I'll live.

    I've played countless other MMOs including SWL, EQ, EQ2, Shadowbane, SWG, AC2, Linage 2, DDO, Age of Empires Online, Neverwinter, RIFT, EVE Online, ArcheAge, FFIV, SWTOR, Wild Star and Tera but WoW just does it for me currently.

    There you have it. WoW FTW.

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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 551
    Javiso said:
    ...

    LOTRO: Been playing since launch and am a founder member that paid $199 to play for free for life. Love the lore and purchased all expansions. The travel system is absolutely awful and they still suffer from performance issues, even on my system with 32GB RAM, Core i7-8700K and a GTX 1080Ti. The game is still installed.

    ...
    I'd feel great about a LOTRO Re-Mastered or a new Middle Earth MMORPG including all the lore, could you imagine?!

    There's still some beautiful sites to behold, but the lag issues are horrendous and dealing with the Akamai updater is a pain and so slow DL'ing updates...

    Gut Out!

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,240
    @Javiso, as far as I know, you can port to any way point from anywhere in the world in GW2 as well.

    Also, I actually thought GW2 had a pretty good inventory management system; you can deposit mats from anywhere.  Carry stacks of salvage items, and you can break down the trash gear you get and instantly deposit the resulting mats to make room for more loot.  I liked it.
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  • JavisoJaviso Member UncommonPosts: 15
    @Javiso, as far as I know, you can port to any way point from anywhere in the world in GW2 as well.

    Also, I actually thought GW2 had a pretty good inventory management system; you can deposit mats from anywhere.  Carry stacks of salvage items, and you can break down the trash gear you get and instantly deposit the resulting mats to make room for more loot.  I liked it.
    Yes that is true about GW2 and porting.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,165
    Gutlard said:
    I liked ESO better when I didn't have to go through Steam to play it...with the connection issues that happen a lot that you have to 'work around.'

    I've had a recent issue with my ESO account only having the Tamriel Unlimited Imperial Edition tied to it, as I did Beta and played before being forced to go through Steam.

    Since playing through Steam, I've bought Morrowind, Nightmare Senche, Queen's Bounty, Summer Set Collector's Edition, but my ESO account is still stuck at Imperial Edition.....

    Had I bought it all through my ESO account instead of Steam, and my ESO account was at the Summer Set account level, could I log into ESO through my PS4 and have it be at the Summerset level as well, or do I have to rebuy everything regardless?

    I contacted customer service and they said it's 'WAI, sorry for the inconvenience bro,' but if I screwed myself into having to buy expacs twice by buying through Steam which they make you do, I think that's shitty.

    And they said in-game purchases do carry over from PC to PS4, so if there's a best way to purchase content they should be listed for morons like me to know....

    Gut Out!

    Gut Out!
    It IS confusing and my condolences for playing it through Steam. There have always been extra headaches associated with that and there is still a chronic problem almost on a weekly basis where Steam players have log-in issues and the rest of us don't.

    For all practical purposes, nothing carries over from one of their servers to another one. There are a few exceptions with respect to NA & Euro servers on the same HW platform... things like game edition and what access to areas, mounts, etc. that gives you are good for both NA and EU on PC for example but anything from the crown shop you buy doesn't carry over. 

    From one HW platform to another, say PC and PS4, NOTHING carries over. They are treated as two completely separate accounts.

    It's a messy and confusing system.
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  • SaunZSaunZ Member UncommonPosts: 457
    ESO is awesome!  I wish the whole ESO world was like Cryodiil.  

    Sz  :)
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 6,739
    I definitely missed something with ESO...Other than a pretty world I found it blah and boring.... The combat is just not good.
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