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Ryzen 2700x build
MrMonolitas
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Hey, i did not want to hi-jack quizzical thread, so here i am.
I been fumbling with my own build for ryzen 2700x, looking for some aid and your opinions guys.
https://nl.hardware.info/wensenlijst/3417652/mr-monolitas/wensenlijst-1
I took consideration some of your thoughts already.
The reason im picking up that motherboard is to have included bluetooth 5.0 only gigabyte seems to have that feature. Less dongles, less head ache.
Memorry QVL list: https://www.docdroid.net/lxiprKB/mb-memory-x470-aorus-gaming-5-wifi.pdf
Dont have clear budget, want ryzen. All-around pc gaming/workstation.
I been fumbling with my own build for ryzen 2700x, looking for some aid and your opinions guys.
https://nl.hardware.info/wensenlijst/3417652/mr-monolitas/wensenlijst-1
I took consideration some of your thoughts already.
The reason im picking up that motherboard is to have included bluetooth 5.0 only gigabyte seems to have that feature. Less dongles, less head ache.
Memorry QVL list: https://www.docdroid.net/lxiprKB/mb-memory-x470-aorus-gaming-5-wifi.pdf
Dont have clear budget, want ryzen. All-around pc gaming/workstation.
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2666 MHz: $297
2933 MHz: $446
3200 MHz: $443
It's cheaper to hit a given clock speed if you're willing to overvolt it to 1.35 V to hit those speeds, but that's a much more severe form of overclocking. 1.2 V is the stock voltage for DDR4, and the only thing that any of the major memory fabs are willing to promise will actually work:
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/ddr4/
https://www.micron.com/products/dram/ddr4-sdram/ddr4-sdram-part-catalog#/
(Hynix does something weird to not allow a direct link to their DDR4 part list, but the results are similar: 1.2 V only.)
https://nl.hardware.info/product/361054/msi-geforce-gtx-1060-gaming-x-3gb
This is assuming that you're happy gaming at 1080p and 60hz monitor. If you've got higher resolution or refresh rate then you should look at the 500€ GPUs.
While GPU prices have come down considerably over the course of the last several months, they're still inflated due to the cryptocurrency mining craze--and AMD GPUs are inflated more than Nvidia because they're better at mining. An 8 GB Radeon RX 580 has an MSRP of $229, for example. That prices are high right now is unfortunate, but it's reality.
It might be memory prices in part that are driving GPU prices up. Memory prices are very high right now, too, and 8 GB simply costs more than 3 GB. Look at what you're paying for DDR4, for example; I'd be surprised if high-performance GDDR5 is cheaper per GB than common DDR4. The price per GB of DDR4 today is much higher than it was for DDR3 around the end of 2011, even though the long term trend is for the price per GB to drop by half about every two years or so.
But if you look for example at hardwareinfo.nl's results, RX 580 gets 85,8 in their Full HD test
https://nl.hardware.info/product/456505/asrock-radeon-rx-580-phantom-gaming-x-oc-8gb/testresultaten
Compared to 79,6 for that 80€ cheaper GTX 1060 3GB
https://nl.hardware.info/product/361054/msi-geforce-gtx-1060-gaming-x-3gb/testresultaten
The question is not whether it's more capable, the question is whether it's worth the price.
Or if price doesn't matter and you want to get 144hz while gaming, then I'd suggest looking something like GTX 1070 Ti, GTX 1080 or GTX 1080 Ti. You can use the full power of even GTX 1080 Ti when trying to get 144 FPS, and even that won't be enough to maintain it using max. graphic settings in many of the modern games.
I dont consider ocing at start. there is no reason to. I will be completely happy with prism.
NVidia is rumored to reveal their new GDDR6 GPUs next month, but I think you're now placing too much emphasis on memory. GPU stands for graphic processing unit, and the memory doesn't process a single thing, it's just there to hold data for the device that does the processing. If there's not enough or not fast enough memory you will see a speed decrease because the device can't do processing, but once there's enough data for the device to process additional memory capacity or speed will give you zero advantage because memory does zero processing.
If I were going to use VRR, I would consider the cost of the monitor as part of the overall cost of the entire gaming rig, and that makes nVidia a significantly more expensive option even if the GPU is on price parity or even slightly less expensive.
The difference between 6G and 8G, I would say, is pretty minimal. The difference between 3G and 8G is a pretty big gulf though. As to ~if~ you need it or not, would depend on a lot of other things and I couldn't speak to that particular point.
For RAM - I would say faster is better, but I wouldn't pay a lot extra for faster. The more important thing is making sure it's on the QVL for the motherboard you have picked out to ensure it will work. Zen is a bit more lenient now than when it first came out, but I hear it is still a bit more picky than being able to just pick anything at random and expecting it to work out of the box.
Other than that your build is very similar to my current build, So I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Only you can decide whether opting for faster memory is worth the cost. Personally, I went with a 3200 MHz / 14 CL G.Skill kit for my 2700X, and I can tell a difference. Your experience may differ. Anandtech did a memory speed comparison about a year ago, and wrote a pretty good article on it, and most of the YouTube reviewers have done so as well. It was a year ago on the 1700X, but it should still apply, even though Ryzen 2 reduced memory latencies for better performance. https://www.anandtech.com/show/11857/memory-scaling-on-ryzen-7-with-team-groups-night-hawk-rgb Give that a read before you make up your mind. Everything else looks great, and I'd hate for memory choice to be your limiting factor. Memory choice became slightly more complicated with Ryzen.
One final thing: Someone over at Overclockers.net made a Ryzen memory calculator to help new and experienced overclockers get the most out of their memory. It's a fantastic little program that's easy to use, and it should take a lot of the guess work out of OCing your memory. It's especially useful if you opt for a slower speed kit as a cost cutting measure.
GL, I know you'll love that new rig.
Also, since budget isn't really a limiting factor, consider upgrading the cooler. That Wraith Prism is pretty good, and will even allow some overclocking (night and day from Intel's stock coolers, for example), but Ryzen benefits a good bit from better cooling. Something like a Noctua NH-D15 should allow max XFR (AMD's turbo) with little added noise. The Prism may get a little loud and warm if you get aggressive.
Ram speeds from what i have seen, does not give me much in video games. 2666 vs 3200 gives you 10-15 more frames in video game? And you pay way more than for 2666, in my eyes i cant justify the cost of that. And does ram speeds matter in other tasks? mmm... not sure about that...
And capacity 32gb is just to save myself a headache, as it is workstation, all arounder, do not want to limit myself from 4k rendering or other work. Also want to dedicate some rams for recording, do not want to wear off my ssd or hdd while doing that.
That is the native speed of that ram stick which was overclocked as i understand that.
Yes, but they're binned at the factory and rated for that speed and timings at a specific voltage (1.35 IIRC). It won't void warranties in other words as long as you use your motherboard's preset XMP profile. Technically, it's an "overclock," but don't let that scare you off. XMP is literally a drop-down menu in the bios where you select your memory's speed and CAS Latency. Timings and voltage will be auto-set based on manufacturer's settings. You'll have no issues as long as you stick with your memory manufacturer's rated speed, timings, and voltage, which is made easy-mode with XMP.
With the kit you listed, you may be able to overclock it, but you'll likely be manually raising voltage and loosening timings to run it above the manufacturer's rated speed. You can always run memory at a speed lower than it's rated for, but running it higher gets more difficult. If you can justify the added cost, I say get the faster memory. Ryzen really likes it.
There aren't any DDR4 SDRAM chips binned at the factory to run at 1.35 V, or at least not if you regard the factory as the one that made the memory chips. The company that builds memory modules does their own binning to run memory at higher clock speeds and voltages than the fab recommends, and they will offer a warranty on the memory modules. But there is some loss of reliability when you do this, and that's inevitable just from the physics. It's comparable to getting a video card with a large factory overclock.
It also depends some on how much you value reliability. If it's just a gaming rig and it wouldn't be that bad if it's out of commission for a few days, then some factory overclocking may well be reasonable. If it's your work computer and a part failure means that you can't work for a few days until it gets fixed, then I'd avoid that.
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/04/30/amd_precision_boost_2_wraith_prism_deep_dive/6
Didnt really have any troubles assembling it, the cooler was just weird to install, it made all kinds of creaking, scratching noises
m.2 slot is in weird place, did not think about it at all, its behind the graphics card, so if you want to remove it, you need to remove GPU too, thats just weird.
Still did not figure it out how to turn off rgb on Wraith Prism
It seems for now everything working fine, except i have problems with the main feature why i chose this motherboard BLUETOOTH! I dont know what it is, but it is horrendous, the range of blue tooth is so small! if you sit and twist your head to other side, the sound disconnects. Even my old phone has better way better range than this 5.0 bluetooth which supposedly should have even higher range... Maybe anyone can help me with this? Where should i look into to fix this?
EDIT: Bluetooth fixed. Now it works very well, the reason it didnt work good, was that i did not screw in wifi antena...
Forgot to mention that it produces quiet some noise, but as it is pretty open case, you could expect that.
If the card has to throttle its clock speeds a lot while gaming then that's a problem, but reaching temperatures close to 90C doesn't mean there would be a problem.