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For those who been waiting for a PVE focused SANDBOX MMORPG..

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  • centkincentkin Member RarePosts: 1,461
    Out of curiosity with the 1/2 price thing going on, is it foolish to just spend $5 if you want to fool around with BDO for a while vs the $15 and $25 versions, or is one of the other two a practical necessity?
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,140
    centkin said:
    Out of curiosity with the 1/2 price thing going on, is it foolish to just spend $5 if you want to fool around with BDO for a while vs the $15 and $25 versions, or is one of the other two a practical necessity?
    No matter what version you get expect to drop at least $50-150 in the cash shop to make the game enjoyable.

    BDO is designed to have annoying gameplay experience until you spend money in the cash shop to remove the annoyances.
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    DMKano said:
    centkin said:
    Out of curiosity with the 1/2 price thing going on, is it foolish to just spend $5 if you want to fool around with BDO for a while vs the $15 and $25 versions, or is one of the other two a practical necessity?
    No matter what version you get expect to drop at least $50-150 in the cash shop to make the game enjoyable.

    BDO is designed to have annoying gameplay experience until you spend money in the cash shop to remove the annoyances.
    A great example are pets. Which funny enough are the most "economical" thing in the cash shop since they made the cash shop pets account bound, not character bound like everything else. But still need 5 pets to enjoy the game.

    The looting system is terrible without pets, cause you kill so much and by time you can manually loot...all the corpses start disappearing really quick. kinda bullshit lol

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  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,239
    Mikeha said:
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    @Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.

    It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.

    I could keep going. :p
    The same thing repeated doesn't make it true however. BDO is a good game but it is a themepark game, it does have some features that you often find in sandbox games, but only a few and at its heart it is still a level based themepark experience. 
    If you use the map function in BDO it clearly shows the level of the areas, this is the very definition of a themepark.  :p

    Source? :p
    my source is BDO, launch game, while in game press M this brings up the map, it clearly says the level of the areas, quite helpfully i might add.

    Then show a source that says levels on a map means a game is not a sandbox. LMAO

    Thats probably the most silly reason I have ever heard.  So when the game came out it was a Sandbox because the map did not even have that but when they added the levels of areas on the map it then change the game from being a Sandbox? /SMH
    Think part of the point was in a true sandbox you will not have leveled zones, you would have multiple leveled mobs in the same area.  You have the chance to run across mobs that are extremely higher level than you are in all areas as there is no level area.  That would be a true sandbox.  If you create groups or areas that require certain levels to go to then no it wouldn't be a sandbox.  That would be a game that is on rails because you need levels to go do things, think those are called themeparks.
  • centkincentkin Member RarePosts: 1,461
    edited June 2018
    DMKano said:
    centkin said:
    Out of curiosity with the 1/2 price thing going on, is it foolish to just spend $5 if you want to fool around with BDO for a while vs the $15 and $25 versions, or is one of the other two a practical necessity?
    No matter what version you get expect to drop at least $50-150 in the cash shop to make the game enjoyable.

    BDO is designed to have annoying gameplay experience until you spend money in the cash shop to remove the annoyances.
    Meh, it isn't worth that much to me.  Hence consider what to do in say $25.

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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,140
    DMKano said:
    centkin said:
    Out of curiosity with the 1/2 price thing going on, is it foolish to just spend $5 if you want to fool around with BDO for a while vs the $15 and $25 versions, or is one of the other two a practical necessity?
    No matter what version you get expect to drop at least $50-150 in the cash shop to make the game enjoyable.

    BDO is designed to have annoying gameplay experience until you spend money in the cash shop to remove the annoyances.
    A great example are pets. Which funny enough are the most "economical" thing in the cash shop since they made the cash shop pets account bound, not character bound like everything else. But still need 5 pets to enjoy the game.

    The looting system is terrible without pets, cause you kill so much and by time you can manually loot...all the corpses start disappearing really quick. kinda bullshit lol

    The entire game is designed to the longer you play the more the game will break you down to the point where you just give up and start spending money in the cash shop.



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  • jusomdudejusomdude Member RarePosts: 2,694
    Recommending BDO to anyone is a travesty and should be a crime.
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    jusomdude said:
    Recommending BDO to anyone is a travesty and should be a crime.
    BDO itself is great. I stopped playing cause the cash shop ruined it. And it wasnt even the worse cash shop, GW2 is way worse as far as that goes. The problem is, BDO is designed to piss the player off (pretty much like DMKano said) to pay in the cash shop.

    But the one item that is stupid as hell is the 50 dollar tent. That is when I realized "why the F am I playing this game and wasting my money". And that woke me up to the scam of the game. I can literally buy a better tent in real life that is brand new for CHEAPER lol

    Game is good, but its designed all around the cash shop. Not pay to win, but in many ways, a lot worse since its a lot more underhanded and "secretive"

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,767
    edited June 2018
    What makes it a "Living World" according to Steam's description?
    Seemed anything but when I tried the game.
    I'm having a hard time accepting this game as a Sandbox despite claims that it is. I've always felt that the defining feature of a sand box was that almost everything decent in the game was player crafted and traded through a player driven economy.

    You can't have a publisher driven economy based sandbox. It just doesn't work, even if you put a formal "Sandbox" label on the box.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,140
    edited June 2018
    What makes it a "Living World" according to Steam's description?
    Seemed anything but when I tried the game.

    Steam's descriptions are done by marketing departments most of which have never even launched the game let alone played it enough to put accurate information.

    It's safe to ignore steam descriptions for the most part.

    Living world is IMO all the afk players lifeskilling ;)  - it would be interesting to see the actual metrics of players *playing* vs players afk-logged in.

    I think there's at least 40%-60% of afk players at any given time.

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  • BrunlinBrunlin Member UncommonPosts: 78
    edited June 2018
    BDO and Bless have both been advertised as sandboxes,but that doesnt make it so. I remember when ESO was coming out it was also being advertised as a Sandpark, a combination of a theme park and Sandbox, now its clearly a smooth theme park game. 

    A sandbox is literally a box with sand in it for a kid to play however he likes, the only rules that limit him is that he remains in the box and can only play with the tools that his mom and dad provide for him, outside of that he is limited by his imagination. This is to define the analogy at-least how I perceive it.

     Minecraft is obviously a sandbox but not a mmorpg. Trove could be considered a voxel based sandbox. Eve is probably the best example of a good sandbox. Archage has a great amount of sandbox qualities but with the theme park quest grind as a weak layer to guide new peeps into the game, so id call it a good sand-park game.

     Black-desert to me is open world pvp (or maybe pve now)focused game. It has some sandbox qualities but has to many rules that limits it. Such as no trading, a economy based on a pricing capped market. Those last two things really kill the idea of it being a sandbox,as the economy really isn't in the players control. It also limits their imagination on ways to fit in to that economy, which is usually the drive of any mmorpg sandbox. PVP can be a factor into a good sandbox, as it helps define the trade routes player create and provides more way for clans or guild to react to the environment and themselves. Good examples of this is EVE, Archage, Albion, etc.

    I know this has become off subject from the original OP but i see the discussion about Sandboxes and what makes a game a sandbox all the time so.... my 2 cents.

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,966
    A sandbox with instanced sandcastles, who woulda thought?
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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member RarePosts: 2,608
    I thought BDO was worth the $5 just for the character builder.   The gameplay  doesn't fit my preferences, but was kinda nice just to see the animations and such.  Not going to put another penny into it most probably.

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  • RaquisRaquis Member UncommonPosts: 967
    BDO is not like other mmo`s the combat is great but it looks to me like you level to level 50 and then grind for better gear so not like the normal mmo games but its cheap now.
    its PVP focussed not pve.
  • MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 1,211
    Raquis said:
    BDO is not like other mmo`s the combat is great but it looks to me like you level to level 50 and then grind for better gear so not like the normal mmo games but its cheap now.
    its PVP focussed not pve.

    If BDO are as you call it PVP focused, how come there are so much PVE to do?
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,524
    If a game has rules, restrictions, instancing then it is not a true sandbox.

    So, with that being pointed out, BDO has instanced housing, BDO has sex restricted classes, BDO has class specific gear, BDO has no PvP until you complete the level 50 quest.

    I could probably find a lot more about BDO that is not sandbox, but I do believe BDO qualifies as being called a Sandpark, which is a term invented a looooong time ago for the very reason of people claiming certain MMOs as sandbox when it was obvious they weren't.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    edited June 2018
    Rhoklaw said:
    If a game has rules, restrictions, instancing then it is not a true sandbox.

    So, with that being pointed out, BDO has instanced housing, BDO has sex restricted classes, BDO has class specific gear, BDO has no PvP until you complete the level 50 quest.

    I could probably find a lot more about BDO that is not sandbox, but I do believe BDO qualifies as being called a Sandpark, which is a term invented a looooong time ago for the very reason of people claiming certain MMOs as sandbox when it was obvious they weren't.
    Then is Ryzom not a sandbox MMO either? In Ryzom there are many restrictions.

    Or EVE? EVE introduced solo instances in their recent expansion, is it not a sandbox MMO anymore? Also in EVE also if you aren't in a large corp/alliance, you are restricted from having any influence in nullsec, you are restricted from making a large empire. 

    But guess cause EVE now has instances, its no longer a sandbox by your definition
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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,007
    The big things that make me think of sandboxes are games where:
    • Character progression is non-linear.
    • You can build your own character instead of being locked by selecting a class that determines most things.
    • There are non-combat classes
    • The game economy rely on crafters and traders.
    • Players can influence the game world.

    Let me know about games that focus on those things instead of trolling a thread with nonsense arguments on why a game is a sandbox.
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