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Fallout 76 is indeed an MMORPG, and it sounds pretty great! - MMORPG.com News

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,881
    When I saw the title I figured it was not an actual MMORPG.

    I mean it's not like MMO sites are lying to people for clicks.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited June 2018
    klash2def said:

    Discussion / Fallout 76 is indeed an MMORPG


    I didn't write that btw Suzie did. Did you tell her it's not an MMO? If no, why? How come when I say it, its an issue @Iselin ?  

    Did you think Suzie means Fallout76 is like World of Warcraft? (I doubt that's what she's saying)

    I bet she's saying its an MMO as in the descriptor as in its doing the same things as the MMOs we grew up with. It has all those elements. I'm sure that's what she meant. 

    So again this is an example of how people today use the term MMO when referring to a type of game.


    The discussion and rebuttal of labeling it an MMO started well before the debate you and @Iselin are having.

    I've yet, in numerous, numerous threads to see anyone who could explain the gaping maw of inconsistencies of the expanded definition being used.

    Once folks can tell me how Battlefield isn't included, but MOBAs are, how Destiny is, but titles like Vermintide and Deep Rock Galactic aren't, in a way that does not violate it's usage regarding the other titles being included, I may be able to get on board with this nonsense.  Until then, it just seems to boil down to, again, one thing and one thing only:

    "Yea, it may not be massively multiplayer, but it's multiplayer enough for me.  Erego, MMO because I'm a fan of the genre and I like this game, too."
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  • KraykaKrayka Member UncommonPosts: 28
    klash2def said:

    Discussion / Fallout 76 is indeed an MMORPG


    I didn't write that btw Suzie did. Did you tell her it's not an MMO? If no, why? How come when I say it, its an issue @Iselin ?  

    Did you think Suzie means Fallout76 is like World of Warcraft? (I doubt that's what she's saying)

    I bet she's saying its an MMO as in the descriptor as in its doing the same things as the MMOs we grew up with. It has all those elements. I'm sure that's what she meant. 

    So again this is an example of how people today use the term MMO when referring to a type of game.


    The discussion and rebuttal of labeling it an MMO started well before the debate you and @Iselin are having.

    I've yet, in numerous, numerous threads to see anyone who could explain the gaping maw of inconsistencies of the expanded definition being used.

    Once folks can tell me how Battlefield isn't included, but MOBAs are, how Destiny is, but a title like Vermintide or Deep Rock Galactic aren't, in a way that does not violate it's usage regarding the other titles being included, I may be able to get on board with this nonsense.  Until then, it just seems to boil down to, again, one thing and one thing only:

    "Yea, it may not be massively multiplayer, but it's multiplayer enough for me.  Erego, MMO because I'm a fan of the genre and I like this game, too."
    The only news sources calling Fallout 76 an MMO is the misinformed author of this site and some other bad site. Every major news organization that has made a story about the game calls it what it is, a multiplayer survival game. I don’t know what’s with all the dumb people here that insist on calling this game something that it’s not and then arguing about it. There’s absolutely nothing to argue about. This isn’t an MMO, plain and simple. Just because one or two authors of bad journalism call it such does not make it so.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Nilden said:
    When I saw the title I figured it was not an actual MMORPG.

    I mean it's not like MMO sites are lying to people for clicks.
    Eh, I think Suzie and the gang here know enough of their community to know the debate would likely be had anyways.

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,528
    Torval said:
    Sovrath said:

    I'm sorry but this is dumbing down of the worst kind.
    How is this "dumbing down". If anything it's creating larger challenges by requiring every person to interact with his/her fellow players.

    There's nothing "dumb" about that.
    If anything I consider this an evolution and progression of the survival genre. It's clutched tenaciously to very crude mechanics that have a lot of room for interesting growth. Let's not hold it back just for the sake of rabble rousing. Gamers love their torch and pitchforks.

    At lunch today we decided that no matter what Bethesda announced there would be angry indignant mobs.
    I don’t think it’s a question of what they make as long as they are clear about it. Just don’t set expectations that it will be a certain type of game and not deliver that experience. 
    I hope they wouldn't  let their game be defined by trite catchphrase genre labels and I don't just mean "MMO" either. Hopefully they will keep describing how their game and multiplayer works and continue to avoid the marketing speak.

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,881
    Nilden said:
    When I saw the title I figured it was not an actual MMORPG.

    I mean it's not like MMO sites are lying to people for clicks.
    Eh, I think Suzie and the gang here know enough of their community to know the debate would likely be had anyways.

    We like our horse cemetery.



    Oh hell type in what is Fallout 76 in google. Come on man at some point straws are being grasped at when MMORP.com says yes indeed Fallout 76 in a MMORPG.




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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,115
    What concerns me the most about this game is something I really want to know more about. The building...

    If it is instanced but you don't manually change instances.. what happens with the buildings? Could you go somewhere one day and find someone's little base and then go back there the next day and it's gone but on the creator's game it is still there?

    I don't get how they are going to phase/instance this type of thing.
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  • KraykaKrayka Member UncommonPosts: 28
    edited June 2018
    What concerns me the most about this game is something I really want to know more about. The building...

    If it is instanced but you don't manually change instances.. what happens with the buildings? Could you go somewhere one day and find someone's little base and then go back there the next day and it's gone but on the creator's game it is still there?

    I don't get how they are going to phase/instance this type of thing.
    I guarantee that is how it’ll be. Pretty dumb way to handle a survival server, if you ask me. I guess they’re trying to innovate, but they’re doing a very poor job at it, unsurprisingly.

    This whole thing reminds me of Metal Gear Survive, a cheap cash grab using old assets from a previous game.
  • KraykaKrayka Member UncommonPosts: 28
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  • GanksinatraGanksinatra Member UncommonPosts: 451
    Is it an MMO, though? It seems far more like a survival game than an MMO. It is basically Conan Exiles in the Fallout world.....literally, down to the mechanic that allows small groups to decimate large groups via "nuke codes" instead of praying to gods for an avatar.
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  • SiveriaSiveria Member UncommonPosts: 1,411
    Its bascally Conan exiles set in fallout universe. The lack of npc's other than robots is a major game killer for me.

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  • KraykaKrayka Member UncommonPosts: 28
    Is it an MMO, though? It seems far more like a survival game than an MMO. It is basically Conan Exiles in the Fallout world.....literally, down to the mechanic that allows small groups to decimate large groups via "nuke codes" instead of praying to gods for an avatar.
    It is not an MMO. Who knows where the author of this article came up with that.
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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    Ok so I'm calling it now. Fallout 76 is a Micro Population Multiplayer Online After the Apocalypse Simulator Environment with Role Playing Game Pretensions. So a M P M O A T A S E W R P G P.



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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Ok so I'm calling it now. Fallout 76 is a Micro Population Multiplayer Online After the Apocalypse Simulator Environment with Role Playing Game Pretensions. So a M P M O A T A S E W R P G P.



    Boom.  You nailed it.  That wasn't so hard, right? :D
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  • LimnicLimnic Member RarePosts: 1,116
    edited June 2018
    The author of that article could have at least waited for the 11th when they clarified a bit of this with an interview, even going so far as noting that full mod support will be delivered to the game post-release as happened with Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
    While they use an always-online component it's not the same design as the likes of ESO, and they plan to extend to the users down the line alongside modding, the ability to host private lobbies/worlds as well.
    So unlike what the article says, Todd does actually state that there will be player-run and player modded worlds and doesn't make any claim to it being an MMO, just a form of survival title.


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  • CoticCotic Member UncommonPosts: 219
    Should be good regardless, the Fallout series has been great on the whole.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,629
    edited June 2018
    Limnic said:
    The author of that article could have at least waited for the 11th when they clarified a bit of this with an interview, even going so far as noting that full mod support will be delivered to the game post-release as happened with Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
    While they use an always-online component it's not the same design as the likes of ESO, and they plan to extend to the users down the line alongside modding, the ability to host private lobbies/worlds as well.
    So unlike what the article says, Todd does actually state that there will be player-run and player modded worlds and doesn't make any claim to it being an MMO, just a form of survival title.


    I think we have a lot of wishful thinking among posters, what has been said so far by Bethesda reminds me of the words of President John Henry Eden: We can afford all we need, we cannot afford all we want. 
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  • VooDoo_PapaVooDoo_Papa Member UncommonPosts: 897
    12 person servers
    4 person teams
     No NPCs
    No quests

    Maybe we need to re-term what a classic persistent world with thousands of players is if that's the case
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  • NeonShadowNeonShadow Member UncommonPosts: 326
    If Fallout 76 and other games of its ilk (Ark, Rust, Conan Exiles) is what passes as an MMO these days then I'm sorely out of touch with the genre.
  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 797
    I got the impression the set up will be like Conan Exiles, 7 Days to Die, Ark, etc.  How else would you have dedicated servers, dozens (not hundreds) of players, the ability to play by yourself and always online?  Seems to tick all the boxes.  Honestly I would have preferred the Destiny model over this.  Pretty darn bored of the survival build games in this fashion.  They always plateau after a certain point for me and I lose interest.

    Now if we were talking a Star Wars Galaxy set up where thousands of players were building settlements over giant vast landscapes, that might be interesting.
  • dreamsfadedreamsfade Member UncommonPosts: 339
    SBFord said:
    imageFallout 76 is indeed an MMORPG, and it sounds pretty great! - MMORPG.com News

    During the #BE3 press event, Bethesda's Todd Howard took the stage to show off Fallout 76, the epic new RPG set just a decade after the bombs fell in the wildnerness of a wasted West Virginia. And yes, it's an MMO like ESO!

    Read the full story here

    Fallout 76 is not an MMO. I would consider it more along the lines of The Division.

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  • TacticalZombehTacticalZombeh Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Scorchien said:
    DMKano said:
    Not sure why people are so hung on the stupid definition - who  cares? MMO, not mmo, survival - whatever

    Will it have fun gameplay - all that matters to me.
    I guess the same reason the Devs are hung up on not labeling it an MMORPG , simply because they realize its not one..

     I dont understand why this site continulally pushes this agenda naming everything an MMO , the game will stand on its own merits as a Multiplayer/Coop game , They do not need to continue labeling things incorrectly ,.. The real question here is why is this Site hung up on mislabeling games .. ?

      It doesnt make cents , and when something doesnt make cents it makes dollars , there is an agenda here , a very , unnecessary and  transparent agenda .


    With the way Bill just 'announced' that it's a mmo, it leads me to two conclusions:

    1. He feels the need to continue justifying the name of the site by calling everything with more than two player coop a 'mmo'. I don't know why, they moved away from covering just mmo's a few years ago.

    2. Using that label on a game like this always ALWAYS creates a multi-page argument/debate over the definition of what a MMO is. This drives traffic.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,777

    2. Using that label on a game like this always ALWAYS creates a multi-page argument/debate over the definition of what a MMO is. This drives traffic.
    And also pre-empts having any kind of useful discussion about what FO76 actually is while making it all about what it isn't.


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  • TacticalZombehTacticalZombeh Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Iselin said:

    2. Using that label on a game like this always ALWAYS creates a multi-page argument/debate over the definition of what a MMO is. This drives traffic.
    And also pre-empts having any kind of useful discussion about what FO76 actually is while making it all about what it isn't.



    That's what aggravates me more than throwing the label around; intentionally trolling their own message boards to drive traffic, instead of encouraging actual discussion over the real topic.

    What little meaningful discussion manages to make it into the thread is overwhelmed. I see nine pages so far. How many pages would it be if you took out the label discussion... and how much easier would it be to read and take part in that discussion instead of trying to filter?

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  • VinterkrigVinterkrig Member UncommonPosts: 1,792
    Ahhh click bait title, it has more than 4.. let's call it an MMO, we NEED MMO news :P 
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