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Valve policy change: All games allowed on Steam

VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,888
After much discussion on what games Valve should allow and forbid from Steam, they have decided that they should not be the ones making the decisions for you:
  "If you're a player, we shouldn't be choosing for you what content you can or can't buy. If you're a developer, we shouldn't be choosing what content you're allowed to create. Those choices should be yours to make. Our role should be to provide systems and tools to support your efforts to make these choices for yourself"

Following this ideology, Valve has decided to allow all games on Steam as long as it's not illegal or "straight up trolling".

This new change means that they plan to allow all controversial topics without limitation as long as it's not illegal or straight up trolling. It wasn't confirmed but presumably this means we'll also see explicit sex games on Steam.

In their blog Valve also indicated that they're going to allow the developers release anything without Valve making decisions on "what level of quality is appropriate before something can be released", or " what even constitutes a game". This looks like Valve is giving their approval to devs that release one low quality asset flip after another.

Before the policy changes are going into effect, Valve will implement us better and more tools so that we can choose what content we - or our kids - will see on Steam.


https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1666776116200553082
 
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,766
    edited June 2018
    Valve greed took over any quality assurance of what's in their store, let the flood of useless games, it goes beyond than just allowing sex games, but any type of cheap browser flash port to sell on the store, or the classic mobile "energy" games that are ported to PC will take over the store.

    Valve gets hit with a massive drama because one "school shooting simulator" game appears on the store, and decides to just drop any quality standards altogether.

    It's too hard to remove controversial games from Steam so let's just not deal with it and let our profit cuts roll in. meh


    Well, good news for other gaming store platforms, Twitch/Amazon with their push on a gaming shop platform competing with steam should really take advantage of Valve derps to give them some needed proper competition by providing a platform that requires more from the games that are added to its library.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,766
    edited June 2018
    DMKano said:
    Talk about going in the wrong direction.

    I guess 2h refund is their answer for this.
    Even that policy is shacking because some really broken games, like Bless Online release, where you spend far more than 2h just to get to get past the issues and play, so they seem to be forced to not enforce the policy on cases like that just to cope with peaks of angry people refunding as it just happened with Bless.

    That policy will face more front-on clashes, because anyone could more easily scam the platform "legally", especially by making releases with post-release promises on a title that gets abandoned shortly after, people get pissed at Valve because at the same time they wash their hands of any responsibility they still profit from those situations.
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,101
    They are afraid some parent may sue them for a game like that school shooter sooner or later so best tactic is to say we do not monitor or vet. Covering their asses.
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  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    I think this is great! Steam is a marketplace not your mommy & daddy. You choose what you want to support and what you don't. How anyone can look at this as a negative is beyond me.
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,502
    Hashbrick said:
    I think this is great! Steam is a marketplace not your mommy & daddy. You choose what you want to support and what you don't. How anyone can look at this as a negative is beyond me.
    Obviously, it is beyond you.

    It is pretty simple really, this means anyone can create a cash grab, or any other piece of junk grab your money and run with no repercussions. 

    As far as Valve "not being mommy or daddy" you are correct, they are not nor have they ever been a security blanket, however, that point is far from being pertinent in this conversation. The real point is as @Cheyane pointed out this is a cash grab/CYA situation instead of doing the right thing.

    Definitely not a good turn of events, however, I do hope all the other game hosting sites do take advantage. Steam/Valve has been around too long as it is, and it is definitely time for a new sheriff. I have, for a long time now, been disenchanted with Valve over various policies and changes hopefully this is the beginning of the end for them or at least the opportunity for another service to rise in their place.
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  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335

    I agree with Steam allowing more content types.

    I strongly disagree with Steam washing their hands on quality control and definitions. This is a straight up money grab at the customer's expense.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,011
    Hashbrick said:
    I think this is great! Steam is a marketplace not your mommy & daddy. You choose what you want to support and what you don't. How anyone can look at this as a negative is beyond me.
    I can see both sides.

    On one hand I agree with you, people shouldn't have their hands held and as long as they do their research and take advantage of the 2 hours refund.

    On the other hand, there is something to be said about having a great Brand and being known for quality.

    People don't go to Bergdorf Goodman or Nordstrom expecting crap.

    I suppose every company needs to think about what they want to say with their brand.

    Having said that, maybe It's problematic to review the glut of games that come through Steam so they have just given up.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,766
    edited June 2018
    BTW Does this mean Casino games could now release on Steam?

    Hatefull said:
    Obviously, it is beyond you.

    It is pretty simple really, this means anyone can create a cash grab, or any other piece of junk grab your money and run with no repercussions. 
    Yup, exactly the type of behavior that we've seen more frequent in the store.

    One can argue "oh the gamer has the choice!" but the problem is developers decieving people into buying in, and after the money rolls in and the steam policies shield the developer, it's too late.
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  • azarhalazarhal Member RarePosts: 1,402
    Hashbrick said:
    I think this is great! Steam is a marketplace not your mommy & daddy. You choose what you want to support and what you don't. How anyone can look at this as a negative is beyond me.
    There is 2 things at work here.

    One is that people want "big daddy" to tell them what they should and shouldn't buy, because they can't be bothered with being responsible consumers and research what they are purchasing themselves.

    The other one is that people believe stores should be censoring and policing what they sell to fit what they think is politically correct.
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  • jimmywolfjimmywolf Member UncommonPosts: 292
    the OP quoted a decent part in the article he linked, i think this  better reflects their stance for those that just gloss over OP post before replying.




     " In addition, Valve is not a small company - we're not a homogeneous group. The online debates around these topics play out inside Valve as well. We don't all agree on what deserves to be on the Store. So when we say there's no way to avoid making a bunch of people mad when making decisions in this space, we're including our own employees, their families and their communities in that.



    So we ended up going back to one of the principles in the forefront of our minds when we started Steam, and more recently as we worked on Steam Direct to open up the Store to many more developers: Valve shouldn't be the ones deciding this. If you're a player, we shouldn't be choosing for you what content you can or can't buy. If you're a developer, we shouldn't be choosing what content you're allowed to create. Those choices should be yours to make. Our role should be to provide systems and tools to support your efforts to make these choices for yourself, and to help you do it in a way that makes you feel comfortable. " 


    i love freedom of choice an this is the first step to stop censoring games because the masses who love to judge assume only pedophile/murder/kids play games and must be controlled or they will break and destroy society.


    a good example is Saya no Uta it is a hentai VN, it has a really good dark story but when first playing it you assume it's a game about sleeping with what looks like a child and calling it a day, burn  in hell you pervert. 


    if you play the game Thu an don't just judge the pictures it goes very deep has different endings depending on the path you take an pushes a madness of what is really right or wrong to the edge. if your open minded it worth a read but would not exist if those that deem what right or wrong could burn it.


      



  • ET3DET3D Member UncommonPosts: 325
    MaxBacon said:

    That policy will face more front-on clashes, because anyone could more easily scam the platform "legally", especially by making releases with post-release promises on a title that gets abandoned shortly after, people get pissed at Valve because at the same time they wash their hands of any responsibility they still profit from those situations.
    FUD. Valve's announcement has nothing to do with game quality, it's about what content types are acceptable. Sure, the quality issue is a problem, but the latest Valve decision will not make it any worse.
  • azarhalazarhal Member RarePosts: 1,402
    MaxBacon said:
    BTW Does this mean Casino games could now release on Steam? 

    [skip]

    One can argue "oh the gamer has the choice!" but the problem is developers decieving people into buying in, and after the money rolls in and the steam policies shield the developer, it's too late.
    Casino games have federal/state laws that govern them, Valve policy update doesn't magically makes them go away. Also, if you can't make the difference between a crooks and a genuine saler, you should probably stop buy anything.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,766
    jimmywolf said:
    i love freedom of choice an this is the first step to stop censoring games because the masses who love to judge assume only pedophile/murder/kids play games and must be controlled or they will break and destroy society.  
    A school shooter game should be defended under the "freedom of choice"?!

    Why not a  "Gas Chamber Simulator - The Jews Edition" game?


    The argument of freedom of choice doesn't really compute with me because it will make us go as low as having no standards to what is acceptable. 
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  • BananableBananable Member UncommonPosts: 194
    Congratulations! You did it! Its all  became possible because of You! Yes, you. Yay!

    Sriously? Im kinda new to steam. I know about it only because of my brother. And seeing all this @!&* really confuses me.

    Who tf is Valve?
    Its just small company that made small mediocre games back in days. And because there was no games back then, they have been praised by the kids that still waiting HL3. lolz

    WFT is steam? 

    Why every (like 90%) game must be relesed on it?  Why every developers/publishers do that?  Seriously alot of people like to hate publishers EA/Trion/Aeriagames etc. because they are greedy, but atleast they are somehow involved. Valve just gets percentage from every game on steam for nothing. LOLZ. They dont even need to make games anymore. And thats why there are bazillion games that looks worse that made for mobiles. Early access , no more regional prices etc.


    And their marketplace. Its pure scam. Seriously. AFAIK selling gold or items for real money is illegal. But these simply allow you to sell cards, wallpapers, emoticons, skins for REAL MONEY. And thats ok. How is it possible that stupid pixels cost more than big new game on steam?
    Also isnt thats the reason why Dota and CSGO so popular?
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,766
    azarhal said:
    Casino games have federal/state laws that govern them, Valve policy update doesn't magically makes them go away. Also, if you can't make the difference between a crooks and a genuine saler, you should probably stop buy anything.
    Casino games have not been on steam as far I am aware, so there must be some policy there that kept them out no?

    Also I agree you can't tell the difference at times between a crook and a genuine seller, but here's the thing, why should the crook be shielded by the policies of the store after he does a cash grab on the store platform? Cashgrabs and other abuses do not specifically are illegal hence it really is up to the store to be proactive about it.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,754
    I could do without Steam tbh...If they went out of business today it wouldn't affect me one iota.
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  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    Hatefull said:
    Hashbrick said:
    I think this is great! Steam is a marketplace not your mommy & daddy. You choose what you want to support and what you don't. How anyone can look at this as a negative is beyond me.
    Obviously, it is beyond you.

    It is pretty simple really, this means anyone can create a cash grab, or any other piece of junk grab your money and run with no repercussions. 

    As far as Valve "not being mommy or daddy" you are correct, they are not nor have they ever been a security blanket, however, that point is far from being pertinent in this conversation. The real point is as @Cheyane pointed out this is a cash grab/CYA situation instead of doing the right thing.

    Definitely not a good turn of events, however, I do hope all the other game hosting sites do take advantage. Steam/Valve has been around too long as it is, and it is definitely time for a new sheriff. I have, for a long time now, been disenchanted with Valve over various policies and changes hopefully this is the beginning of the end for them or at least the opportunity for another service to rise in their place.
    I don't care if anyone makes a cash grab if someone wants to pay for it who gives a flying fuck?  If you don't like it don't buy it, it is simple as that.  I don't understand the mentality of if I don't like it, it can't exist!

     I'm sorry you feel like you need to be shepard in life.  Now be a good little sheep and join the herd.
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  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    Bananable said:
    Congratulations! You did it! Its all  became possible because of You! Yes, you. Yay!

    Sriously? Im kinda new to steam. I know about it only because of my brother. And seeing all this @!&* really confuses me.

    Who tf is Valve?
    Its just small company that made small mediocre games back in days. And because there was no games back then, they have been praised by the kids that still waiting HL3. lolz

    WFT is steam? 

    Why every (like 90%) game must be relesed on it?  Why every developers/publishers do that?  Seriously alot of people like to hate publishers EA/Trion/Aeriagames etc. because they are greedy, but atleast they are somehow involved. Valve just gets percentage from every game on steam for nothing. LOLZ. They dont even need to make games anymore. And thats why there are bazillion games that looks worse that made for mobiles. Early access , no more regional prices etc.


    And their marketplace. Its pure scam. Seriously. AFAIK selling gold or items for real money is illegal. But these simply allow you to sell cards, wallpapers, emoticons, skins for REAL MONEY. And thats ok. How is it possible that stupid pixels cost more than big new game on steam?
    Also isnt thats the reason why Dota and CSGO so popular?
    You seem to be confused in life in general.  None of what you said made any shred of sense.  It's probably your age and ignorance more than anything.

    Valve is a multi-billion dollar company that has produced the most beloved FPS of all time and following that the most successful digital platform of all time.

    Steam is a marketplace owned by Valve to buy licenses to digital games that appear in your library and allow you to play them limitless under the umbrella of Steam's DRM system.

    The trading card system/skin system under steam is used to gain Steam Dollars, Steam Dollars is equal to the US Dollar, but is not exchangeable for "real money".  To make "real money" you need to use a third party to cash out.  So they are perfectly legal to operate the way they have been.

    Anything has a value in life, if people pay for that value then it becomes a product.  Skins are popular and people are willing to pay that's how it is possible.

    Do a bit of research into economics, I think it might help you.
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.

    Can't wait to see:

    • Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
    • All Jews Must Die
    • Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
    • Border Patrol Online
    • She Begged For It III

    All while Steam does this:


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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,768
    While I don't necessarily agree with the change, I can see where they are coming from.

    This debate is always huge. The reactions when Valve even brought up potentially taking down games that had nudity or sex, was insane. People freaked the hell out about that. But then there was the other side that was happy about it. It's just always some huge debate as to what should be done about games on steam. 

    People decide what they buy. It's on you if you bought some cash grab or some crap game. Do a shred of research before purchase and you will usually know if something is good or not, or an asset flip. Click on the company, if they only have that one game and it looks too good to be true, it's probably too good to be true.

    The only situation in which I think things shouldn't be allowed on the platform is if they are not actual games. There was the situation where one of the games on steam got approved, but had no EXE file for the game, so when you tried to launch it nothing happened. Once enough people complained the developer released an actual game, but it wasn't even possible to beat the first 30 seconds. 

    These games currently exist on the platform and come out every day. While Valve could hire people (which is what I think they should do) to monitor incoming games to the store, it would be hard to deem what is and is not good for the platform. 

    If Valve is in fact making this decision and it's final, they need to have tools in place that actually make searching easier, and seeing new titles easier. Right now the flood of asset flips and general garbage games tend to take up a lot of the new section, so if there was a better way to filter out games, or a better way to see what I want to see then I think it should be fine. Or at least a way for users to flag games as scams or asset flips. Then at least you could filter out those. 
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,766
    edited June 2018
    Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.

    Can't wait to see:

    • Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
    • All Jews Must Die
    • Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
    • Border Patrol Online
    • She Begged For It III

    This will deff happen.

    We have groups that stand the freedom of speech and ideals and so forth to openly support things that the vast majority would consider despicable, so if Valve drops standards to allow games there independent of content as long it's not illegal and so...

    ...then I don't think anything will stop the usage of a platform to publish games that would easily fall on pushing extreme political ideologies into a widespread gaming platform as Steam is, a side of just offensive stuff that usually aims at religion/race.

    For now we see situations such as the school shooting simulator that would fall more on trolling, but I think that certain groups will see this platform without moderation as one opportunity to politicize things, as it's been so common these days.
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  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    MaxBacon said:
    Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.

    Can't wait to see:

    • Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
    • All Jews Must Die
    • Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
    • Border Patrol Online
    • She Begged For It III



    This will deff happen.

    We have groups that stand the freedom of speech and ideals and so forth to openly support things that the vast majority would consider despicable, so if Valve drops standards to allow games there independent of content as long it's not illegal and so...

    ...then I don't think anything will stop the usage of a platform to publish games that would easily fall on pushing extreme political ideologies into a widespread gaming platform as Steam is, a side of just offensive stuff that usually aims at religion/race.
    If you think this will happen, you are part of the problem.  This goes under trolling obviously.

    Society is so strange, I grew up in a no fucks given era to only view an every fucks given era. The swing in attitude is so fascinating.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    DMKano said:
    Talk about going in the wrong direction.

    I guess 2h refund is their answer for this.
    IKR? Even from a pure business point of view it seems to me like they're opening the door for someone else to step in and offer the exclusivity of thoughtfully curated quality games only.

    It's like Steam is going Walmart.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,766
    edited June 2018
    Hashbrick said:
    If you think this will happen, you are part of the problem.  This goes under trolling obviously.

    Society is so strange, I grew up in a no fucks given era to only view an every fucks given era. The swing in attitude is so fascinating.
    There is trolling and there are political agendas, if you want a gaming platform to end up politicized, then you will be willing to accept the risk by opening your platform to not having control over it.

    Unless you think gaming is immune to the whole political agendas being pushed everywhere through the online sphere.

    But to me, it is not, in fact many extreme ideology groups struggle a lot to promote themselves because their message is not allowed in many places, but let's put a Steam without moderation of games in the context, if I put myself on their place, it would be a great opportunity to push a political agenda such as that with more exposure by creating a controversial game ending up all over the news.

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  • azarhalazarhal Member RarePosts: 1,402
    MaxBacon said:
    azarhal said:
    Casino games have federal/state laws that govern them, Valve policy update doesn't magically makes them go away. Also, if you can't make the difference between a crooks and a genuine saler, you should probably stop buy anything.
    Casino games have not been on steam as far I am aware, so there must be some policy there that kept them out no?

    Also I agree you can't tell the difference at times between a crook and a genuine seller, but here's the thing, why should the crook be shielded by the policies of the store after he does a cash grab on the store platform? Cashgrabs and other abuses do not specifically are illegal hence it really is up to the store to be proactive about it.
    The policy that keep real money Casino games out isn't made by Valve, it's governmental gambling laws in most countries and states on the planet.

    As for cashgrab, according to some people, Steam is already full of them. It is not the job of the store to tell you if a game is worth buying or not. If you can't decided by just looking at the store page, people's comments along the 2 hours before refund time that a game isn't what you want, I suggest you let your mom/dad or friends buy stuff for you in the future.
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