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  • Quizar1973Quizar1973 Member UncommonPosts: 251
    Kyleran said:
    This all seems like a pointless argument. Out of all the mmo sites that are out there this is HANDS DOWN, the best one, its clean, laid out neatly. The community here for what I have seen is very kind and seems slightly tight. 

    People complaining that D3 is on here and isn't an "MMORPG" yet it is Online, there is alot of people playing it, you do gain levels. So I would say it is Massively multiplayer (Being theres alot of people and you can play it with others) It is online, it is an rpg.....

    Most of all, why is everyone complaining. 
    A lot of people play Candy Crush online. is that also a MMO?
    You can play Multiplayer or Co-op on Candy Crush????  LOL....I always thought you played by yourself....LOL
    but Thousands of people play it and send each other bonuses and its Online! so its a MMO!!!.....

    edit: forgot my dots
    But its far from Diablo, Anyway im not one saying Diablo is an MMO....The way i look at it people are arguing the fact of 1 word in MMORPG and that is Massive. Yes Diablo is Multiplayer and yes Diablo is an Online Roleplaying Game.....But the Word Massive is the key word.....The way i see Massive is a game with a Massive World, a Massive enviroment , Or Exploration. IMO Massive does NOT mean how many people play the game. So no i do not beilive Diablo is an MMORPG....
    As is often the case, like many you have mistaken what the first letter represents.

    It is the adjective Massively, not Massive, and it modifies the word Multiplayer.

    It has nothing to do with world size. 


    Do you think a game like Diablo is an MMORPG?
    No one shall Rent space in my head!!!!!  B)
  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 2,736
    No. Because only a handful of people can inhabit the same instance of the world at the same time. Therefore it isn't massively multiplayer.
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  • SpiraldeathSpiraldeath Member UncommonPosts: 27
    You guys have to make money, totally understandable. With that said used to visit this site daily now it's hardly worth visiting once a week, most the news is irrelevant or sponsored BS. Giveaways are crap compared to what used to be on offer.

    Like surely every man and his dog already has whatever crap your giving away for Wizards 101 when isn't there a Wizards 101 giveaway, used to enter your giveaways and sweeps quite often have not entered one in months as they are all pretty much crap.

    Your giveaways used to be for games that where ranked and rated reported on by MMORPG, now most the games in sweeps are just crap web based money grabbing BS that you would never bother to write a review of as it wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on.

    Don't believe me just look at the comments of your giveaways with people giving out the codes as they don't want them.

    MMORPG is a decent gaming site unfortunately it used to be legendary now it's nothing more then a green common, blue special at best.
  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,354
    I bet the video ranting on mmorpg site are just making video for clicks and money too.  

    Why else would people spend all that effort making rant video when they can just finish the ranting in a few minutes on forum.
    Scot
  • MMOExposedMMOExposed Member RarePosts: 7,115
    edited June 2018
    It's almost amusing how hypercritical my forummates can be of a couple minute details of MMORPG.com 

    Why are you equating a header that hasn't changed in years to "Deception, and misleading"? When they clearly labeled the individual games. Sure they could change the header, but stop making it seem like they were trying to steal your SSID because of it.

    The majority of passing viewers looking for a list probably aren't going to lose their minds over anything on this website other than the fucking forums posts arguing bullshit semantics because someone feels like being a contrary little bitch. 

    I've been lurking here for YEARS and the only loss of quality I've seen is in the discussions on these forums. The staff has continued to grow and get better at what they do, and the only appreciation they get for it from us is a bunch of bitching over nothing. 

    As for what is an MMO, or what isn't. Stop. It honestly doesn't even matter. You know what to look for when it comes to the type of games you want to play, so look for that and stop giving a damn if someone is calling Worms 3d an MMO. It doesn't matter. Half the people in here stoking these arguments are just trolling anyways.

    I'm angry. I keep getting my ass handed to me in vMA.


    Honestly, given how many people play MMOs like single-player or very small group games, why not include all kinds of games that can have 100 or so per server in them? Survival games do. Battle royale games do. Even lobby-based games do. The lines have blurred hugely.

    I dunno. I like both reading about and covering all kinds of games. We've kept the scope here pretty narrow, tbh. 
    We're trying to expand the categories on the Games List and on the featurette slider images by labeling them as what they are.
    And, once again, it's adapt or die. 
    Post edited by SBFord on May 12


    that to me, tell me the site staff is clearly aware of this deceptive change in meaning of what is considered a MMO and whats not, but choose to blur the lines intentionally. But take the context for yourself.

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  • MMOExposedMMOExposed Member RarePosts: 7,115
    This all seems like a pointless argument. Out of all the mmo sites that are out there this is HANDS DOWN, the best one, its clean, laid out neatly. The community here for what I have seen is very kind and seems slightly tight. 

    People complaining that D3 is on here and isn't an "MMORPG" yet it is Online, there is alot of people playing it, you do gain levels. So I would say it is Massively multiplayer (Being theres alot of people and you can play it with others) It is online, it is an rpg.....

    Most of all, why is everyone complaining. 
    A lot of people play Candy Crush online. is that also a MMO?
    You can play Multiplayer or Co-op on Candy Crush????  LOL....I always thought you played by yourself....LOL
    but Thousands of people play it and send each other bonuses and its Online! so its a MMO!!!.....

    edit: forgot my dots
    But its far from Diablo, Anyway im not one saying Diablo is an MMO....The way i look at it people are arguing the fact of 1 word in MMORPG and that is Massive. Yes Diablo is Multiplayer and yes Diablo is an Online Roleplaying Game.....But the Word Massive is the key word.....The way i see Massive is a game with a Massive World, a Massive enviroment , Or Exploration. IMO Massive does NOT mean how many people play the game. So no i do not beilive Diablo is an MMORPG....
    Its not MASSIVE, its MASSIVELY which is a descriptive word for the following word which is Multiplayer. So thats MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER. Not Massive. 

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 13,317
    Kyleran said:
    This all seems like a pointless argument. Out of all the mmo sites that are out there this is HANDS DOWN, the best one, its clean, laid out neatly. The community here for what I have seen is very kind and seems slightly tight. 

    People complaining that D3 is on here and isn't an "MMORPG" yet it is Online, there is alot of people playing it, you do gain levels. So I would say it is Massively multiplayer (Being theres alot of people and you can play it with others) It is online, it is an rpg.....

    Most of all, why is everyone complaining. 
    A lot of people play Candy Crush online. is that also a MMO?
    You can play Multiplayer or Co-op on Candy Crush????  LOL....I always thought you played by yourself....LOL
    but Thousands of people play it and send each other bonuses and its Online! so its a MMO!!!.....

    edit: forgot my dots
    But its far from Diablo, Anyway im not one saying Diablo is an MMO....The way i look at it people are arguing the fact of 1 word in MMORPG and that is Massive. Yes Diablo is Multiplayer and yes Diablo is an Online Roleplaying Game.....But the Word Massive is the key word.....The way i see Massive is a game with a Massive World, a Massive enviroment , Or Exploration. IMO Massive does NOT mean how many people play the game. So no i do not beilive Diablo is an MMORPG....
    As is often the case, like many you have mistaken what the first letter represents.

    It is the adjective Massively, not Massive, and it modifies the word Multiplayer.

    It has nothing to do with world size. 


    I recon its world size, number of players and number that can effectively interact in the same place...but I am just a pain like that. :)

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,357
    Scot said:
    Kyleran said:
    This all seems like a pointless argument. Out of all the mmo sites that are out there this is HANDS DOWN, the best one, its clean, laid out neatly. The community here for what I have seen is very kind and seems slightly tight. 

    People complaining that D3 is on here and isn't an "MMORPG" yet it is Online, there is alot of people playing it, you do gain levels. So I would say it is Massively multiplayer (Being theres alot of people and you can play it with others) It is online, it is an rpg.....

    Most of all, why is everyone complaining. 
    A lot of people play Candy Crush online. is that also a MMO?
    You can play Multiplayer or Co-op on Candy Crush????  LOL....I always thought you played by yourself....LOL
    but Thousands of people play it and send each other bonuses and its Online! so its a MMO!!!.....

    edit: forgot my dots
    But its far from Diablo, Anyway im not one saying Diablo is an MMO....The way i look at it people are arguing the fact of 1 word in MMORPG and that is Massive. Yes Diablo is Multiplayer and yes Diablo is an Online Roleplaying Game.....But the Word Massive is the key word.....The way i see Massive is a game with a Massive World, a Massive enviroment , Or Exploration. IMO Massive does NOT mean how many people play the game. So no i do not beilive Diablo is an MMORPG....
    As is often the case, like many you have mistaken what the first letter represents.

    It is the adjective Massively, not Massive, and it modifies the word Multiplayer.

    It has nothing to do with world size. 


    I recon its world size, number of players and number that can effectively interact in the same place...but I am just a pain like that. :)
    Well there are other qualifiers, persistence being another requirement of course.

    A single small map BR wouldn't qualify even if it held 500 players at one time. Nor did GW1 because though hundreds could interact in the lobbies, in the game itself only a handful hence ANET correctly labeled their game as a CORPG which I guess Diablo 3 might more closely resemble.

    At the end of the day, MMORPG, I know one when I see one.

    Some others apparently lack this ability,  but I'm here to help them see the light.

    ;)
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,960
    Kyleran said:
    Scot said:
    Kyleran said:
    This all seems like a pointless argument. Out of all the mmo sites that are out there this is HANDS DOWN, the best one, its clean, laid out neatly. The community here for what I have seen is very kind and seems slightly tight. 

    People complaining that D3 is on here and isn't an "MMORPG" yet it is Online, there is alot of people playing it, you do gain levels. So I would say it is Massively multiplayer (Being theres alot of people and you can play it with others) It is online, it is an rpg.....

    Most of all, why is everyone complaining. 
    A lot of people play Candy Crush online. is that also a MMO?
    You can play Multiplayer or Co-op on Candy Crush????  LOL....I always thought you played by yourself....LOL
    but Thousands of people play it and send each other bonuses and its Online! so its a MMO!!!.....

    edit: forgot my dots
    But its far from Diablo, Anyway im not one saying Diablo is an MMO....The way i look at it people are arguing the fact of 1 word in MMORPG and that is Massive. Yes Diablo is Multiplayer and yes Diablo is an Online Roleplaying Game.....But the Word Massive is the key word.....The way i see Massive is a game with a Massive World, a Massive enviroment , Or Exploration. IMO Massive does NOT mean how many people play the game. So no i do not beilive Diablo is an MMORPG....
    As is often the case, like many you have mistaken what the first letter represents.

    It is the adjective Massively, not Massive, and it modifies the word Multiplayer.

    It has nothing to do with world size. 


    I recon its world size, number of players and number that can effectively interact in the same place...but I am just a pain like that. :)
    Well there are other qualifiers, persistence being another requirement of course.

    A single small map BR wouldn't qualify even if it held 500 players at one time. Nor did GW1 because though hundreds could interact in the lobbies, in the game itself only a handful hence ANET correctly labeled their game as a CORPG which I guess Diablo 3 might more closely resemble.

    At the end of the day, MMORPG, I know one when I see one.

    Some others apparently lack this ability,  but I'm here to help them see the light.

    ;)
    Massively is an adverb that describes scale, it modifies mutliplayer referring to the number of players. The online component means it's online. It doesn't speak about persistence. So now you're perverting the term as bad as people who use it with Diablo.

    Additionally, you're making a claim that a single zone non-instanced world doesn't qualify because, but MMO doesn't refer to map size. It refers to the multiplayer component.

    Requiring a game to have a massive population and be able to house that population concurrently within a map is reasonable by the literal definition of the catchphrase. You're introducing subjective caveats that have been attached to it as it's matured and evolved, just like those guys who insist Destiny 2 and Diablo 3 are MMOs. You're doing the same thing.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,357
    Torval said:
    Kyleran said:
    Scot said:
    Kyleran said:
    This all seems like a pointless argument. Out of all the mmo sites that are out there this is HANDS DOWN, the best one, its clean, laid out neatly. The community here for what I have seen is very kind and seems slightly tight. 

    People complaining that D3 is on here and isn't an "MMORPG" yet it is Online, there is alot of people playing it, you do gain levels. So I would say it is Massively multiplayer (Being theres alot of people and you can play it with others) It is online, it is an rpg.....

    Most of all, why is everyone complaining. 
    A lot of people play Candy Crush online. is that also a MMO?
    You can play Multiplayer or Co-op on Candy Crush????  LOL....I always thought you played by yourself....LOL
    but Thousands of people play it and send each other bonuses and its Online! so its a MMO!!!.....

    edit: forgot my dots
    But its far from Diablo, Anyway im not one saying Diablo is an MMO....The way i look at it people are arguing the fact of 1 word in MMORPG and that is Massive. Yes Diablo is Multiplayer and yes Diablo is an Online Roleplaying Game.....But the Word Massive is the key word.....The way i see Massive is a game with a Massive World, a Massive enviroment , Or Exploration. IMO Massive does NOT mean how many people play the game. So no i do not beilive Diablo is an MMORPG....
    As is often the case, like many you have mistaken what the first letter represents.

    It is the adjective Massively, not Massive, and it modifies the word Multiplayer.

    It has nothing to do with world size. 


    I recon its world size, number of players and number that can effectively interact in the same place...but I am just a pain like that. :)
    Well there are other qualifiers, persistence being another requirement of course.

    A single small map BR wouldn't qualify even if it held 500 players at one time. Nor did GW1 because though hundreds could interact in the lobbies, in the game itself only a handful hence ANET correctly labeled their game as a CORPG which I guess Diablo 3 might more closely resemble.

    At the end of the day, MMORPG, I know one when I see one.

    Some others apparently lack this ability,  but I'm here to help them see the light.

    ;)
    Massively is an adverb that describes scale, it modifies mutliplayer referring to the number of players. The online component means it's online. It doesn't speak about persistence. So now you're perverting the term as bad as people who use it with Diablo.

    Additionally, you're making a claim that a single zone non-instanced world doesn't qualify because, but MMO doesn't refer to map size. It refers to the multiplayer component.

    Requiring a game to have a massive population and be able to house that population concurrently within a map is reasonable by the literal definition of the catchphrase. You're introducing subjective caveats that have been attached to it as it's matured and evolved, just like those guys who insist Destiny 2 and Diablo 3 are MMOs. You're doing the same thing.
    Not really, I'm measuring them against the first 20 or so titles that were released from 1998 to 2006 in terms of designs.

    For the most part they all supported 500 or more players in a single, persistent game world. 

    Some could handle a few hundred in a single zone, one can handle 2000 to 5000 in a single fight.

    Some had instances, most had a fairly large open world area.

    I'm not the one introducing subjective caveats....


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    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,960
    Kyleran said:
    Torval said:
    Kyleran said:
    Scot said:
    Kyleran said:
    This all seems like a pointless argument. Out of all the mmo sites that are out there this is HANDS DOWN, the best one, its clean, laid out neatly. The community here for what I have seen is very kind and seems slightly tight. 

    People complaining that D3 is on here and isn't an "MMORPG" yet it is Online, there is alot of people playing it, you do gain levels. So I would say it is Massively multiplayer (Being theres alot of people and you can play it with others) It is online, it is an rpg.....

    Most of all, why is everyone complaining. 
    A lot of people play Candy Crush online. is that also a MMO?
    You can play Multiplayer or Co-op on Candy Crush????  LOL....I always thought you played by yourself....LOL
    but Thousands of people play it and send each other bonuses and its Online! so its a MMO!!!.....

    edit: forgot my dots
    But its far from Diablo, Anyway im not one saying Diablo is an MMO....The way i look at it people are arguing the fact of 1 word in MMORPG and that is Massive. Yes Diablo is Multiplayer and yes Diablo is an Online Roleplaying Game.....But the Word Massive is the key word.....The way i see Massive is a game with a Massive World, a Massive enviroment , Or Exploration. IMO Massive does NOT mean how many people play the game. So no i do not beilive Diablo is an MMORPG....
    As is often the case, like many you have mistaken what the first letter represents.

    It is the adjective Massively, not Massive, and it modifies the word Multiplayer.

    It has nothing to do with world size. 


    I recon its world size, number of players and number that can effectively interact in the same place...but I am just a pain like that. :)
    Well there are other qualifiers, persistence being another requirement of course.

    A single small map BR wouldn't qualify even if it held 500 players at one time. Nor did GW1 because though hundreds could interact in the lobbies, in the game itself only a handful hence ANET correctly labeled their game as a CORPG which I guess Diablo 3 might more closely resemble.

    At the end of the day, MMORPG, I know one when I see one.

    Some others apparently lack this ability,  but I'm here to help them see the light.

    ;)
    Massively is an adverb that describes scale, it modifies mutliplayer referring to the number of players. The online component means it's online. It doesn't speak about persistence. So now you're perverting the term as bad as people who use it with Diablo.

    Additionally, you're making a claim that a single zone non-instanced world doesn't qualify because, but MMO doesn't refer to map size. It refers to the multiplayer component.

    Requiring a game to have a massive population and be able to house that population concurrently within a map is reasonable by the literal definition of the catchphrase. You're introducing subjective caveats that have been attached to it as it's matured and evolved, just like those guys who insist Destiny 2 and Diablo 3 are MMOs. You're doing the same thing.
    Not really, I'm measuring them against the first 20 or so titles that were released from 1998 to 2006 in terms of designs.

    For the most part they all supported 500 or more players in a single, persistent game world. 

    Some could handle a few hundred in a single zone, one can handle 2000 to 5000 in a single fight.

    Some had instances, most had a fairly large open world area.

    I'm not the one introducing subjective caveats....


    Yes, you are adding a bunch of strings. You just tried to pass off not doing it and then in the following sentence added another.

    You're trying to define what you think MMOs should be as games, not what the catchphrase means.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,357
    edited June 2018
    Torval said:7
    Kyleran said:
    Torval said:
    Kyleran said:
    Scot said:
    Kyleran said:
    This all seems like a pointless argument. Out of all the mmo sites that are out there this is HANDS DOWN, the best one, its clean, laid out neatly. The community here for what I have seen is very kind and seems slightly tight. 

    People complaining that D3 is on here and isn't an "MMORPG" yet it is Online, there is alot of people playing it, you do gain levels. So I would say it is Massively multiplayer (Being theres alot of people and you can play it with others) It is online, it is an rpg.....

    Most of all, why is everyone complaining. 
    A lot of people play Candy Crush online. is that also a MMO?
    You can play Multiplayer or Co-op on Candy Crush????  LOL....I always thought you played by yourself....LOL
    but Thousands of people play it and send each other bonuses and its Online! so its a MMO!!!.....

    edit: forgot my dots
    But its far from Diablo, Anyway im not one saying Diablo is an MMO....The way i look at it people are arguing the fact of 1 word in MMORPG and that is Massive. Yes Diablo is Multiplayer and yes Diablo is an Online Roleplaying Game.....But the Word Massive is the key word.....The way i see Massive is a game with a Massive World, a Massive enviroment , Or Exploration. IMO Massive does NOT mean how many people play the game. So no i do not beilive Diablo is an MMORPG....
    As is often the case, like many you have mistaken what the first letter represents.

    It is the adjective Massively, not Massive, and it modifies the word Multiplayer.

    It has nothing to do with world size. 


    I recon its world size, number of players and number that can effectively interact in the same place...but I am just a pain like that. :)
    Well there are other qualifiers, persistence being another requirement of course.

    A single small map BR wouldn't qualify even if it held 500 players at one time. Nor did GW1 because though hundreds could interact in the lobbies, in the game itself only a handful hence ANET correctly labeled their game as a CORPG which I guess Diablo 3 might more closely resemble.

    At the end of the day, MMORPG, I know one when I see one.

    Some others apparently lack this ability,  but I'm here to help them see the light.

    ;)
    Massively is an adverb that describes scale, it modifies mutliplayer referring to the number of players. The online component means it's online. It doesn't speak about persistence. So now you're perverting the term as bad as people who use it with Diablo.

    Additionally, you're making a claim that a single zone non-instanced world doesn't qualify because, but MMO doesn't refer to map size. It refers to the multiplayer component.

    Requiring a game to have a massive population and be able to house that population concurrently within a map is reasonable by the literal definition of the catchphrase. You're introducing subjective caveats that have been attached to it as it's matured and evolved, just like those guys who insist Destiny 2 and Diablo 3 are MMOs. You're doing the same thing.
    Not really, I'm measuring them against the first 20 or so titles that were released from 1998 to 2006 in terms of designs.

    For the most part they all supported 500 or more players in a single, persistent game world. 

    Some could handle a few hundred in a single zone, one can handle 2000 to 5000 in a single fight.

    Some had instances, most had a fairly large open world area.

    I'm not the one introducing subjective caveats....


    Yes, you are adding a bunch of strings. You just tried to pass off not doing it and then in the following sentence added another.

    You're trying to define what you think MMOs should be as games, not what the catchphrase means.
    No, I  am providing features common to most of the original games that defined the genre when there was really very little confusion about the term.

    You are being willfully and unnecessarily obtuse here on a very clear thing. 





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  • NarwrynnNarwrynn Member UncommonPosts: 83
    That guy sounds like possibly the most self-absorbed shit head I have ever had the misfortune  of having to listen to, and the includes the Kardashians.  The whole argument of the video is that sites with MMO in the name are covering non-mmos. The best part is that Bill Murphy already wrote the best response possible to the argument made by Skylent, and Bill did it three years before Skylent made his video. 

    Let me tell you a true story: there is a store in my town named "Dan's Fan City" and no joke they started to sell lights. They sell lights now but still call themselves "Fan City." This isn't a joke, you can goolge their site. Businesses expand and adapt or they fall apart. This doesn't mean they have to lose their roots by changing their name. 

    The sites he showed in the video, like massivelyOP had the genre of the game listed right in front of him but he chose to ignore that. He was also mad that a game list wasn't a top-10. Top-10s are the very definition of click-bait bullshit. 

    Then we get to the real reason he made the video, he is mad that people watch those channels instead of his. He is jealous he doesn't get more views. He wants your ad revenue and Patreon dollars. 

    If that fucking tool sees this here is the reason I don't watch you: because I don't find you entertaining or informative. Your work has no value to me. You are click-bait bullshit too, you just don't want to admit it.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,960
    Kyleran said:

    No, I  am providing features common to most of the original games that defined the genre when there was really very little confusion about the term.

    You are being willfully and unnecessarily obtuse here on a very clear thing. 





    No, I'm not. How are any of the riders you've attached clear to anyone else but you? We're discussing the definition of a catchphrase, so assumptions are off the table. When proving something assumptions only work when all parties agree to them. I don't agree to any of yours because they're arbitrary, subjective, and inconsistently used.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,847
    Not really a matter of what game falls under what genre,more a matter of ethics.
    The point that seems to be missed in almost  every single post is that almost ANY game will get noted ,even if real bad but of course then the argument,who says it's bad.
    Just look at Steam,they can use the same argument "we are an older site now".This again has nothing to do with actual MMO being an MMO,again it is the games getting noted.Steam USED to have a system whereby a game did not just automatically get listed,now a days,EVERY pile of trash gets listed.
    Then what EVERY site does is the previews...reviews stuff,again ethics,promoting,catering,partnering.

    ads belong in the ads section and partnered does as well,they do not belong in the news section where people come to check out gaming news.A partnered article is not news it is advertising.
    Ethical marketing and promoting,advertising standards are a real thing or at least used to be.If a website seem to be deceptive/dishonorable,other sites would chime in but now a days,it seems they are all in the same boat of trying to make as much money as possible with NO CARE for anything or anyone else.


    Go look at the sister site,Gamespace,that Steam listing is merely posting games with their price tag ,it looks more like a Steam catalogue.<<<<<<FYI "this is proper spelling".I was in awe that it showed as spelled incorrectly,so second guessed myself and checked.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,368
    edited June 2018
    Torval said:
    Kyleran said:

    No, I  am providing features common to most of the original games that defined the genre when there was really very little confusion about the term.

    You are being willfully and unnecessarily obtuse here on a very clear thing. 





    No, I'm not. How are any of the riders you've attached clear to anyone else but you? We're discussing the definition of a catchphrase, so assumptions are off the table. When proving something assumptions only work when all parties agree to them. I don't agree to any of yours because they're arbitrary, subjective, and inconsistently used.
    I agree with Kyleran 100%  here but , the spirit of it goes a bit further ..

      When the phrase was coined by Garriot he was asked to describe UO , And in that he said

     "thousands of people interacting and effecting each others experience in a persistent world .."

      Which UO was and is .. You can be in Brit and a friend could be getting attacked by reds on the other side of the world say Skara Brae , And you could be called to help ...( we used ICQ back then)A thief at your house in Moonglow.. get help yes from anywhere in the game world ..
    Or someone could attempt a lvl5 treasure map near your house and fail at it leaving a bunch of very angry mobs in your area that will have to be dealt with..or someone holding a fishing contest, a horticultural contest , opening a RUne library or a public Museum with great Artifacts to go see,or a player puts a how down very near yours and he happens to be at war with some reds ..  etc ..Many many intangibles and player induced events all over the Game WORLD can effect your play and activity ..
     
      I found a corpse in E Brit woods one day witha nice set of Gold Chaimamil on it .. Looted the corpse , which i knew would make me Grey(criminal for 10) and stealthed nearby waiting to see if the the victim returned , He did , and when i returned all his stuff i made a great friend for years to come in UO for ex..

      The same applied to SWG/Anarchy Online /Asherons Call /DAOC/Eve, etc .. These are the games that DEFINED the MMO genre, and the defined it by delivering the same engaging persistent WORLDS , wether it SWG and your friends Town being attacked on another planet , or a Keep in DAOC , or a World Event in AC , Notum Wars in AO etc..
      Keep in mind the these are the games that DEFINED the genre .. lets play a game


               One of these things is not like the other ...


      Ultima Online      Star Wars Galaxy     Destiny 2     Dark Age of Camelot ...

      Which one is fundamentally different and why , the differences are very drastic and numerous , if you are being unbiased..



           It was never about How many players you can fit on your screen or in a "ZONE"  or in a lobby,it was about the WORLD and other players can effect your playtime in a positive/negative/exciting/laughable/shocking/empathetic/creative/angry...etc.. way.. at any time from anywhere else in that play world ...
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