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WarPortal Shuttering EU Ragnarok Online Servers on May 25th - General News

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorLegendaryPosts: 33,129Member
edited April 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageWarPortal Shuttering EU Ragnarok Online Servers on May 25th - General News

As a result of changing laws in the European Union, WarPortal has made the decision to shut down Ragnarok Online in most European countries. The decision seems to coincide with the EU's new data protection legislation the GDPR that goes live the same day. The law requires companies to more aggressively protect users' personal data by upgrading storage security throughout the EU. This will not affect CiS or North American servers.

Read the full story here



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  • WellspringWellspring EpicPosts: 1,464Member
    Why don't they just upgrade their storage security to meet the new laws? Are the new EU laws that overbearing?
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  • WellspringWellspring EpicPosts: 1,464Member
    Also, was the game available for purchase in EU before Feb 1, 2018? If so, that's bogus not to give every EU player a refund.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorLegendaryPosts: 33,129Member
    Also, was the game available for purchase in EU before Feb 1, 2018? If so, that's bogus not to give every EU player a refund.
    I can't swear to it, but I think it was F2P. If you click the "Read the full story here." link, there's a link in the main article that leads to the GDPR website so you can see what it's all about.


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  • WylfWylf UncommonPosts: 376Member
    "Refunds will be gradually sent for purchases made from February 1st 2018 to April 30th 2018 to those affected by this service termination."
  • WylfWylf UncommonPosts: 376Member
    However more troubling is the idea that EU privacy laws are better and protect players more extensively than US laws.
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  • IceAgeIceAge EpicPosts: 3,235Member
    Very proud about the new Law. Despite few countries ( i'm watching you Hungary and Poland ) with their nationalism gov's , I hope EU will be a one big fucking ( family ) country . If history teached us something, is that nationalism will always fail.

    So go EU , bring more Law's like this one to us.
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  • SzczepanXSzczepanX UncommonPosts: 40Member

    IceAge said:

    Very proud about the new Law. Despite few countries ( i'm watching you Hungary and Poland ) with their nationalism gov's , I hope EU will be a one big fucking ( family ) country . If history teached us something, is that nationalism will always fail.



    So go EU , bring more Law's like this one to us.



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  • Whiteshade92Whiteshade92 UncommonPosts: 95Member
    edited April 2018
    Not just Ragnarok Online.
    They also removed Ragnarok Online 2 on Steam for EU and Turkey. I didn't know Turkey is an EU country...

    You can check it from here. Just look at "LOWEST RECORDED PRICE" and "CURRENT PRICE" you can figure out which countries are blocked.
    https://steamdb.info/app/239370/

  • Pingu2012Pingu2012 UncommonPosts: 35Member

    SzczepanX said:



    IceAge said:


    Very proud about the new Law. Despite few countries ( i'm watching you Hungary and Poland ) with their nationalism gov's , I hope EU will be a one big fucking ( family ) country . If history teached us something, is that nationalism will always fail.





    So go EU , bring more Law's like this one to us.






    History taught us that communism fails.



    GDPR's not about nationalism or communism. It's trying to hold companies accountable for selling your personal data or letting it get stolen because they were too cheap or lazy to care.

    Fine levels can be pretty painful, and theoretically they can even shut your business down. (source: I've done the GDPR awareness course)
  • gervaise1gervaise1 EpicPosts: 6,919Member
    edited April 2018
    SzczepanX said:

    IceAge said:

    Very proud about the new Law. Despite few countries ( i'm watching you Hungary and Poland ) with their nationalism gov's , I hope EU will be a one big fucking ( family ) country . If history teached us something, is that nationalism will always fail.



    So go EU , bring more Law's like this one to us.



    History taught us that communism fails.
    Ah - an idiot. No need to add to what @Pingu2012 said above.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 EpicPosts: 6,919Member

    Torval said:

    I wonder how much it costs to upgrade and comply. It sort of implies that the revenue and interest aren't there for the game to make that transition.



    Always tough to know how much a game is making of course but there doesn't appear to be much "buzz" around the game. Be interesting to see what other games do.
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  • exile01exile01 RarePosts: 1,089Member
    it costs them 10million to apply all those new changes. Since they sell private gamer data for money, the income was far less then to pay the bill. So they left.
  • cameltosiscameltosis LegendaryPosts: 3,913Member
    Why don't they just upgrade their storage security to meet the new laws? Are the new EU laws that overbearing?
    I'm a software engineer and my company builds websites in the UK, so I've been heavily involved in understanding the GDPR and helping our clients comply. 


    The GDPR is attempting a fundamental paradigm shift. Currently, the instant you hand over your personal data, the people who have your data are pretty much free to do what they want with it. The GDPR is now stating that the data subject (us) is always in control of our data. 


    So, there are new rights in place. For example, the right to be forgotten is one of them, so you can ask any company to tell you what personal data they have on you (which they must supply within 30 days) and then you can ask them to delete it (which they must also do within 30 days). 

    When collecting personal data - such as registering for a game - companies must now tell you precisely what the data is used for, where it is stored and who has access. If the data is used for more than one thing, the company must collect your explicit consent for each thing. Companies are also not allowed to bar you from using their service if you don't agree to non-essential use. 



    So, if WarPortal are selling their user's data, that will be illegal from 25th May. WarPortal would have to explicitly tell you who they are selling the data to each time, and they must get your consent before they do so. 


    There are also big fines in place. 20m euros or 4% of annual turnover, whichever is the larger, is the maximum fine. 

    Wylf said:
    However more troubling is the idea that EU privacy laws are better and protect players more extensively than US laws.
    The EU protects it's citizens better than the US in just about every conceivable way. 

    With the UK leaving the EU next year, this is something that I've only really been learning about recently. Particularly in relation to food and drugs, the amount of shit the US feeds it's citizens is astonishing! As part of the EU, the majority of the food you guys eat falls below our food safety standards and so there isn't much trade between us. After Brexit happens, the UK could start trading food with the US......but I really hope we don't! 


    One of the other interesting things to happen recently is the Facebook crisis. Facebook is going to have to comply with the GDPR and Mark Z told congress that he welcomes these new privacy laws and said they should apply to everyone. As Facebook operates out of Ireland, the new privacy laws would indeed be applied to everyone in the world who uses Facebook. 

    but then, just a few days after his testimony, Facebook announced that they're changing operations and moving all non-EU citizen's data out of Ireland and back to the US so that they don't have to comply with the GDPR.....
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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz EpicPosts: 4,721Member

    Wylf said:

    However more troubling is the idea that EU privacy laws are better and protect players more extensively than US laws.



    European countries do far more for their citizens than the U.S. in many ways, but that comes along with a much higher tax rate. Benefits always come with costs and both must be considered when evaluating the comparative merit of different approaches.
  • IceAgeIceAge EpicPosts: 3,235Member

    Wylf said:

    However more troubling is the idea that EU privacy laws are better and protect players more extensively than US laws.



    European countries do far more for their citizens than the U.S. in many ways, but that comes along with a much higher tax rate. Benefits always come with costs and both must be considered when evaluating the comparative merit of different approaches.
    Adding US and a much higher tax rate ( then the US ) in the same sentence, is .. a bit complicated :) We do have taxes, but I .. don't really recall having THAT much taxes ( as US Citizen's ). 


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    My husband always jokes that he spends the morning working to pay tax the afternoon is his ...45% I think the tax is here.
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  • laseritlaserit LegendaryPosts: 7,591Member
    SzczepanX said:

    IceAge said:

    Very proud about the new Law. Despite few countries ( i'm watching you Hungary and Poland ) with their nationalism gov's , I hope EU will be a one big fucking ( family ) country . If history teached us something, is that nationalism will always fail.



    So go EU , bring more Law's like this one to us.



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  • mklinicmklinic RarePosts: 2,024Member
    "The law requires companies to more aggressively protect users' personal data by upgrading storage security throughout the EU."

    Even if they shut down the game, don't they still have users' personal data? Seems like shutting down the game, on its own, would not remove the need for them to comply with new regulations unless they also deleted (or off-shored?) all the users' personal data.

    I say this with only my quick review of the GDPR FAQ and Key Changes sections so if I misunderstood the application of the regulations then so be it.

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  • heresoliveirheresoliveir CommonPosts: 1Member
    edited April 2018
    As a ragnarok player, I felt betrayed, guilty and sad. A lot of years invested and some cash. I feel so bad. No words i have. They will inactivate our accounts. 8years Lost.
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