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  • DXSinsDXSins Member UncommonPosts: 324


    I'm enjoying it. I also think that this is a proof of concept to get XL to let them do it with AA.



    Not a very good concept to compare the two together... one is build with layers on layers of RNG and enchanting systems (KR design) vs daily/weekly lockouts through dungeons/raids (western design).

    Yes a good proof of concept is needed to show a Korean mmorpg can work on a subscription only model (next to no cash shop)... but using a western title that was built from the ground up to run on a subscription model isn't the way to it.

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    MrSyn said:


    I'm enjoying it. I also think that this is a proof of concept to get XL to let them do it with AA.



    Not a very good concept to compare the two together... one is build with layers on layers of RNG and enchanting systems (KR design) vs daily/weekly lockouts through dungeons/raids (western design).

    Yes a good proof of concept is needed to show a Korean mmorpg can work on a subscription only model (next to no cash shop)... but using a western title that was built from the ground up to run on a subscription model isn't the way to it.



    Didn't this game launch as a PTP and go FTP?
  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,047
    edited March 2018
    A shame Trion is ripping people off again as usual!

    Trion is the first company ever that charges me almost 4 dollars in tax per month on the 14,99 subscription fee, so I (as non-EU, non-US resident) have to pay nearly 19 dollars a month for RIFT Prime!
    Absolutely nuts! I never paid any tax on subscription fees for MMO's here in Norway. Never have! /facepalm
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    AnnaTS said:
    I was going to try Rift but then i changed my mind after i was searching info about the game.

    I wanted to play cleric but apparently they aren't the best healers in game at the moment which seems strange since they're clerics and apparently the class hasn't had any changes for nearly a year.

    I don't know how the classes work but seems like every class can do different roles, I read some where that Rogues are good at healing at the moment. lol 

    I was also put off with every time i was looking for a build people kept talking about macros like you needed to use them to play a class to it's full potential and i won't use them just because it's associated with botting.

    The other thing was because i hadn't played the game before and it seems they have this yearly plan, I just thought they would be adding new content to quickly for someone who hadn't played the game before.
    Honestly, if you've never played before, try the free server first to get a feel for the classes and then decide from there if you want to put money into prime. Rift isn't bad (heck, I've invested hundreds into the game tbh because I felt it did wow things better than wow at the time, especially when they did away with the old talent trees in wow), but I think it just came down to poor management as to why its dying.
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    To me, it's like it's the surge in population that makes it so much fun.. and the thought of the cash shop not holding you back.

    The question is, why is this better than the real servers? No reason really. There's less content and less features. If people stuck with the game the proper servers would be just as much, if not more, fun.
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  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,360
    Mikeha said:
    MrSyn said:


    I'm enjoying it. I also think that this is a proof of concept to get XL to let them do it with AA.



    Not a very good concept to compare the two together... one is build with layers on layers of RNG and enchanting systems (KR design) vs daily/weekly lockouts through dungeons/raids (western design).

    Yes a good proof of concept is needed to show a Korean mmorpg can work on a subscription only model (next to no cash shop)... but using a western title that was built from the ground up to run on a subscription model isn't the way to it.



    Didn't this game launch as a PTP and go FTP?
    Aaaaaannnnd back to P2P again.

    Just wait until the prime pack subs expire, which is in 2 months time.
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  • DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,503
    Dragnelus said:
    I can make 10 slots bag, if you send mats I can make it for you!


    You are way ahead of the rest of us it seems, but shoot me a friend invite to my Warlock, Jessup.  I might take you up on the bags, and I'm always down for having folks from MMORPG.com on my friend's list.
    Added you! My name is Alleria couldnt help myself to buy a last name:


    If anyone needs a bag just /w me ingame. I can also make bolt of wool cost 2 wool cloth ( I think it drops from 24+mobs) and plain thread you can buy from the master outfitter . 
    AlomarLeiloni

  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    edited March 2018

    kanechart said:

    tltr; they wanted to make a buck even more so since other companies talked about making Vanilla servers like WoW... They using that hyped to make a few bucks before the game really dies...



    In business have to take the chance to make that buck. Every company that deals with games in general do that. Is nothing new about that hype drive sales. Trion is not the only ones.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Dragnelus said:
    Dragnelus said:
    I can make 10 slots bag, if you send mats I can make it for you!


    You are way ahead of the rest of us it seems, but shoot me a friend invite to my Warlock, Jessup.  I might take you up on the bags, and I'm always down for having folks from MMORPG.com on my friend's list.
    Added you! My name is Alleria couldnt help myself to buy a last name:


    If anyone needs a bag just /w me ingame. I can also make bolt of wool cost 2 wool cloth ( I think it drops from 24+mobs) and plain thread you can buy from the master outfitter . 
    Roger, I need to pick up a last name too.  That a cash shop item?

    I might have the cash to purchase the mats I need now.  Cash is starting to flow more freely now that I'm reaching high teens.

    I need to look for a new guild.  I think I've expended the usefulness of the newbie guild.

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    Mikeha said:
    MrSyn said:


    I'm enjoying it. I also think that this is a proof of concept to get XL to let them do it with AA.



    Not a very good concept to compare the two together... one is build with layers on layers of RNG and enchanting systems (KR design) vs daily/weekly lockouts through dungeons/raids (western design).

    Yes a good proof of concept is needed to show a Korean mmorpg can work on a subscription only model (next to no cash shop)... but using a western title that was built from the ground up to run on a subscription model isn't the way to it.



    Didn't this game launch as a PTP and go FTP?
    Aaaaaannnnd back to P2P again.

    Just wait until the prime pack subs expire, which is in 2 months time.


    How much is Prime?
  • VyntVynt Member UncommonPosts: 757
    I think I'll give prime a try when I get home from work later. Just need to decide on a class. Already wasted some of my work day familiarizing myself with the classes, lol. Probably will go with some kind of rogue, assassin or bladedancer, or maybe nightblade, don't think I ever played that one.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,003
    Mikeha said:
    Mikeha said:
    MrSyn said:


    I'm enjoying it. I also think that this is a proof of concept to get XL to let them do it with AA.



    Not a very good concept to compare the two together... one is build with layers on layers of RNG and enchanting systems (KR design) vs daily/weekly lockouts through dungeons/raids (western design).

    Yes a good proof of concept is needed to show a Korean mmorpg can work on a subscription only model (next to no cash shop)... but using a western title that was built from the ground up to run on a subscription model isn't the way to it.



    Didn't this game launch as a PTP and go FTP?
    Aaaaaannnnd back to P2P again.

    Just wait until the prime pack subs expire, which is in 2 months time.


    How much is Prime?
    Free with a subscription.  The pack comes with 30 days sub and two 15 day vouchers to give away or use yourself.

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  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796

    Mikeha said:




    Mikeha said:


    MrSyn said:





    I'm enjoying it. I also think that this is a proof of concept to get XL to let them do it with AA.






    Not a very good concept to compare the two together... one is build with layers on layers of RNG and enchanting systems (KR design) vs daily/weekly lockouts through dungeons/raids (western design).



    Yes a good proof of concept is needed to show a Korean mmorpg can work on a subscription only model (next to no cash shop)... but using a western title that was built from the ground up to run on a subscription model isn't the way to it.






    Didn't this game launch as a PTP and go FTP?


    Aaaaaannnnd back to P2P again.

    Just wait until the prime pack subs expire, which is in 2 months time.



    How much is Prime?



    If you have Rift acct. long time ago you can log in live check if you have a free patron pass. If not then about $15 a month or a $30 pack with 30 days and 2 15 days pass you can use it on your self or give it to 2 friends.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Torval said:
    Dragnelus said:
    I can make 10 slots bag, if you send mats I can make it for you!


    You are way ahead of the rest of us it seems, but shoot me a friend invite to my Warlock, Jessup.  I might take you up on the bags, and I'm always down for having folks from MMORPG.com on my friend's list.
    Ruvan - Eth Mage. I'm in Stonefield right now.

    I queued up for a dungeon last night and DD popped and that didn't go well. Boos 1 cleaved through the tank like they were a squishy. I might have to go healer just to get a decent queue time.
    I will add you tonight, I just entered Stonefield myself.  Haven't done any dungeon running or anything, just watfronts, rifts, invasions, and questing.  I'm down to do it, but haven't read up enough on the LFG system.  Do I need to run to the dungeon?  It's located in Guardian territory right?
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  • DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,503
    Torval said:
    Dragnelus said:
    I can make 10 slots bag, if you send mats I can make it for you!


    You are way ahead of the rest of us it seems, but shoot me a friend invite to my Warlock, Jessup.  I might take you up on the bags, and I'm always down for having folks from MMORPG.com on my friend's list.
    Ruvan - Eth Mage. I'm in Stonefield right now.

    I queued up for a dungeon last night and DD popped and that didn't go well. Boos 1 cleaved through the tank like they were a squishy. I might have to go healer just to get a decent queue time.
    Warriors are a bit gimped right now. All the other tanks I have talked to have been complaining. Yet I guess that is expected (balancing I mean) Yet right now we are struggling a bit lol 
    I'm having a blast as rogue tank. In one dungeon with the first boss 2 adds who hit really hard, our warr tank (lvl 28 couldnt take it) so I said can I try (level 23/24 I think). And face tanked them. 

    But I got so many shadowstep aoe agro pulls feels really awesome
    MrMelGibsonAlomar

  • SplattrSplattr Member RarePosts: 551
    Having a good time right now. I find it funny that everyone bitches about cash shops, and now a lot of the same people are bitching about a sub. They gotta make money somehow.

    McGamerYoofaloof
  • azurreiazurrei Member UncommonPosts: 332
    Glad people are having fun but unfortunately, I have sworn off giving a single additional cent to Trion, permanently, so I can't try Prime...oh well.
    McGamerJeroKaneYoofaloof
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Torval said:
    Torval said:
    Dragnelus said:
    I can make 10 slots bag, if you send mats I can make it for you!


    You are way ahead of the rest of us it seems, but shoot me a friend invite to my Warlock, Jessup.  I might take you up on the bags, and I'm always down for having folks from MMORPG.com on my friend's list.
    Ruvan - Eth Mage. I'm in Stonefield right now.

    I queued up for a dungeon last night and DD popped and that didn't go well. Boos 1 cleaved through the tank like they were a squishy. I might have to go healer just to get a decent queue time.
    I will add you tonight, I just entered Stonefield myself.  Haven't done any dungeon running or anything, just watfronts, rifts, invasions, and questing.  I'm down to do it, but haven't read up enough on the LFG system.  Do I need to run to the dungeon?  It's located in Guardian territory right?
    You don't need to run to the dungeon. The dungeon finder (LFD) will teleport you.

    There is a dungeon for each faction level range. The first set is Iron Tombs (defiant) and Realm of the Fae (guardian). Faction doesn't matter for dungeons. Both sides can be in the same instance.

    I'm waiting for them to patch some boss fixes on Wednesday. Some bosses are cleaving like crazy.
    Cool, thanks for the info!  Not a huge fan of LFD, but it will suffice if I need some random folks to run a dungeon.
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  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680

    Mikeha said:


    MrSyn said:





    I'm enjoying it. I also think that this is a proof of concept to get XL to let them do it with AA.






    Not a very good concept to compare the two together... one is build with layers on layers of RNG and enchanting systems (KR design) vs daily/weekly lockouts through dungeons/raids (western design).



    Yes a good proof of concept is needed to show a Korean mmorpg can work on a subscription only model (next to no cash shop)... but using a western title that was built from the ground up to run on a subscription model isn't the way to it.






    Didn't this game launch as a PTP and go FTP?



    Yeah you already have the option of playing PTP or F2P on the other servers. This is for people that have little self control with spending in a cash shop. That's all it is.
  • DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,503
    After closing a rift!



    Level 26 atm and rifts give me around:

    And going with 20 man is pretty fast. 

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  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 523
    Hariken said:

    Mikeha said:


    MrSyn said:





    I'm enjoying it. I also think that this is a proof of concept to get XL to let them do it with AA.






    Not a very good concept to compare the two together... one is build with layers on layers of RNG and enchanting systems (KR design) vs daily/weekly lockouts through dungeons/raids (western design).



    Yes a good proof of concept is needed to show a Korean mmorpg can work on a subscription only model (next to no cash shop)... but using a western title that was built from the ground up to run on a subscription model isn't the way to it.






    Didn't this game launch as a PTP and go FTP?



    Yeah you already have the option of playing PTP or F2P on the other servers. This is for people that have little self control with spending in a cash shop. That's all it is.
    Yes it was P2P but the players started bleeding off so they switched to F2P.  The same flaws that started the exodus before still remain and will likely result in the same exodus this time around.  Some classes are just not viable at max level and certainly the same was true for PVP.

    When everyone hits max level, that is when to gage whether the experiment succeeded or failed because it was at max level that everyone left.  

    Right now they are all in the honeymoon period...  all games are packed at launch and while leveling.
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  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    It may not be vanilla but it's hugely fun.

    I imagine that because the live game is pretty much dead they weren't going to risk putting massive dev time into doing a full vanilla version and so did some tuning and more minor changes to the live game for the progression server.

    Since it's done so well at launch, if it continues to be popular I imagine they'll put more hours into the server to improve the quality/tuning/balance.
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