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  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member UncommonPosts: 1,161


    Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda. That's what I want to hear.



    elder scroll style star wars would be interesting.
    Octagon7711
  • GorweGorwe Member RarePosts: 5,131
    SBFord said:
    You know...I loved this article. 

    https://www.destructoid.com/can-star-wars-just-stop-for-a-little-bit--486868.phtml

    I really love Star Wars, don't get me wrong. But it's like there's this massive Star Wars overload that's making me less and less interested. Too many movies. Too many prequels. Too many games. Too many mobile apps. Too many...too much...All SW all the time. 

    I need a break, though I doubt one's incoming.

    To quote the article:

    Disney has had a problem recently of not knowing when to stop with their franchises. They'll find something that's a success and milk it for all it's worth. In the span of three years since the release of The Force Awakens we've had Rogue One and The Last Jedi premiere with Solo coming out in May, not to mention Star Wars Rebels concluding its four season run in March. So that's four Star Wars movies and an animated series in three years, compared to the prequel trilogy's three movies and a Cartoon Network animated series that tied in to the trilogy over the span of seven years. Not only that, but Disney has announced that Rian Johnson will be making his own trilogythe creators of Game of Thrones will work on another trilogy, the spin offs will most likely continue with a rumored Boba Fett movie, and Disney has plans for several new Star Wars shows to most likely air on their upcoming streaming service. 

    So in total we have nine upcoming movies, at least two spin-offs, several TV shows, and that's just of what we know. There may, and most likely will be, more projects announced in the coming months to capitalize on the franchise's recent resurgence. You may have noticed that I've neglected to talk about Star Wars video games and books, but that's for a good reason. In the realm of video games, Star Wars never really went away. Gamers have had classic Star Wars games on most major consoles, whether it was piloting a snowspeeder on Hoth in Shadow of the Empire, platforming on the SNES trilogy, shooting your way to galactic conquest in Battlefront 2 (the good one), or being an action badass with OP force powers in The Force UnleashedStar Wars found a home with gamers and has always had a home there, so more Star Wars video games don't surprise me at all. I mean, it is surprising that they've morphed into whatever the hell Battlefront 2 was, but that's a whole other topic. 
    Definitely. At this point they are out marvelling Marvel with their hectic release schedule lol.
  • OldKingLogOldKingLog Member UncommonPosts: 46
    edited February 15
    gervaise1 said:

    The simple reality here is of course they will find an alternative studio. <snip>
    Name one? That will pay Disney mega-$$$ for the IP.

    OK the thread is discussing Activision - can't see it happening but I suppose that is one.
    UbiSoft - can't see it happening but I suppose that is two.
    Disney - oh wait they are allowed to develop SW games as it is.

    Any more? Remember they have to be able to 1. Pay disney lots of $$$$ 2. Develop a major game.
    There is absolutely zero shortage of game studios willing and able to create the next Star Wars game. You are falling into the same trap that Disney themselves did where it was believed that exclusivity would foster the best return on investment.

    Now that we've seen that Electronic Arts have badly bitten off more than they could chew do you seriously think that Disney will make the same mistake of rewarding a single publisher with exclusive game making rights again?

    *Whoops addendum* Disney will make ridiculous profits off of their films.

    Regardless of how awful they happen to be. Yes sorry but I am not a fan of the new films at all.

     They have absolutely zero reason to care what happens in the gaming world, other than how it will effect their film profits. They would be completely insane to price the license of their games  above a reasonable price  for a gaming studio.
    Post edited by OldKingLog on
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 4,965
    gervaise1 said:

    The simple reality here is of course they will find an alternative studio. <snip>
    Name one? That will pay Disney mega-$$$ for the IP.

    OK the thread is discussing Activision - can't see it happening but I suppose that is one.
    UbiSoft - can't see it happening but I suppose that is two.
    Disney - oh wait they are allowed to develop SW games as it is.

    Any more? Remember they have to be able to 1. Pay disney lots of $$$$ 2. Develop a major game.
    There is absolutely zero shortage of game studios willing and able to create the next Star Wars game. You are falling into the same trap that Disney themselves did where it was believed that exclusivity would foster the best return on investment.

    Now that we've seen that Electronic Arts have badly bitten off more than they could chew do you seriously think that Disney will make the same mistake of rewarding a single publisher with exclusive game making rights again?
    Yes.

    First there is no evidence - based on EA's recent results - that they have bitten off more than they can chew.

    Second there may be no shortage of game studios who would like to make a SW game but there are a shortage of game studios who are able to pay Disney lots of money - up front - to have access to the IP. There simply are not that many studios will millions of dollars to spare. If you think there are name them.

    Return on investment - from Disney's perspective - is different from (in this case) EA's. 

    Yes there is a link between sales and the value of an IP but an IP only does so much for a game. It sells the first few million or whatever copies and means that a publisher can spend less on marketing. After that though its up to how good the game is. Disney's (game) interest is all front loaded; a publisher's is cradle to grave.


    Come 2023 or whenever Disney will act to maximise how much money they get from the IP. As before they will have a choice: bird in the hand or two in the bush.

    If there are many companies - as you suggest - all wanting to develop a SW game but none (I suggest) are able to pay Disney the $$$ upfront they want their pitch will be "trust us we will make a really great game and your cut of the profits will be huge".

    The EA exclusive deal approach is: here's a sack of money.

    Would you take the promise or the sack? 

    When they did a deal with EA they took the sack. They have their money irrespective of how well EA do. Indeed your suggestion that "EA have bitten off more than they can chew" supports Disney's approach. Its safe.
  • laseritlaserit Member EpicPosts: 5,576
    Disney should just open there own video game development studio i mean money isn’t an issue right?
    Didn't they have their own and closed it?  They created Pirates of the Caribbean Online and Club Penguin games. 
    Disney purchased Club Penguin from a small developer up here in Kelowna BC. I think they paid around 348 million for it if my memory serves me right.  Don't know about Pirates of the Caribbean Online.

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  • AeanderAeander Member EpicPosts: 2,412
    I'd be okay with Ubisoft. They certainly have their major flaws, but at least they aren't entirely risk averse. Namely, a single player Star Wars game could have actually seen the light of day under Ubisoft.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 24,968
    gervaise1 said:

    The simple reality here is of course they will find an alternative studio. <snip>
    Name one? That will pay Disney mega-$$$ for the IP.

    OK the thread is discussing Activision - can't see it happening but I suppose that is one.
    UbiSoft - can't see it happening but I suppose that is two.
    Disney - oh wait they are allowed to develop SW games as it is.

    Any more? Remember they have to be able to 1. Pay disney lots of $$$$ 2. Develop a major game.


    Now that we've seen that Electronic Arts have badly bitten off more than they could chew
    Just because they made a questionable decision about monetization doesn't mean they have bit off more than they could chew.

    I'm fairly certain that EA is very capable of making a Star Wars game.



  • cameltosiscameltosis Member EpicPosts: 2,123
    gervaise1 said:

    The simple reality here is of course they will find an alternative studio. <snip>
    Name one? That will pay Disney mega-$$$ for the IP.

    OK the thread is discussing Activision - can't see it happening but I suppose that is one.
    UbiSoft - can't see it happening but I suppose that is two.
    Disney - oh wait they are allowed to develop SW games as it is.

    Any more? Remember they have to be able to 1. Pay disney lots of $$$$ 2. Develop a major game.
    There are tons of gaming studios, it just depends on the contract. 

    EA paid for an exclusive license until 2023, as well as a separate license for SW:TOR. We don't know any more than that. They might have paid all the money upfront, in which case you a right, there are very few companies that would be able to compete. They might be paying on a yearly basis, in which case more companies could afford that. They might be paying using some sort of revenue sharing, in which case even more companies can afford that. 


    Removing the license from EA does not mean that Disney automatically have to hand out another exclusive license. 


    They could hand out licenses on a game-by-game basis. They could charge upfront, or go for profit sharing, or a combination of both. As Disney own the IP, they can also choose how involved they get with development, so they can retain some quality control to prevent the IP being tarnished. 


    Would going this route earn as much money as the exclusive license with EA? That's the big question for Disney. From their point of view, its just very easy to sell the license once and get in big money. No hassle, no fuss. But, if they were willing to put in some proper effort, I'm sure they could earn similar amounts of money but could also actively enhance the IP. 



  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,303
    edited February 15
    Well they can't do a worse job than EA has.  I say get rid of the exclusive contracts and let them fight each other to earn game contracts.
    Post edited by FrodoFragins on
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,303
    Grakulen said:


    Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda. That's what I want to hear.



    Not gonna happen.
    Is that because they are like Blizzard and only make games with their own IPs?  That's the smart way to go for top developers.  Why pay another company and have to pass everything through a review process.
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,303
    Gorwe said:
    SBFord said:
    You know...I loved this article. 

    https://www.destructoid.com/can-star-wars-just-stop-for-a-little-bit--486868.phtml

    I really love Star Wars, don't get me wrong. But it's like there's this massive Star Wars overload that's making me less and less interested. Too many movies. Too many prequels. Too many games. Too many mobile apps. Too many...too much...All SW all the time. 

    I need a break, though I doubt one's incoming.

    To quote the article:

    Disney has had a problem recently of not knowing when to stop with their franchises. They'll find something that's a success and milk it for all it's worth. In the span of three years since the release of The Force Awakens we've had Rogue One and The Last Jedi premiere with Solo coming out in May, not to mention Star Wars Rebels concluding its four season run in March. So that's four Star Wars movies and an animated series in three years, compared to the prequel trilogy's three movies and a Cartoon Network animated series that tied in to the trilogy over the span of seven years. Not only that, but Disney has announced that Rian Johnson will be making his own trilogythe creators of Game of Thrones will work on another trilogy, the spin offs will most likely continue with a rumored Boba Fett movie, and Disney has plans for several new Star Wars shows to most likely air on their upcoming streaming service. 

    So in total we have nine upcoming movies, at least two spin-offs, several TV shows, and that's just of what we know. There may, and most likely will be, more projects announced in the coming months to capitalize on the franchise's recent resurgence. You may have noticed that I've neglected to talk about Star Wars video games and books, but that's for a good reason. In the realm of video games, Star Wars never really went away. Gamers have had classic Star Wars games on most major consoles, whether it was piloting a snowspeeder on Hoth in Shadow of the Empire, platforming on the SNES trilogy, shooting your way to galactic conquest in Battlefront 2 (the good one), or being an action badass with OP force powers in The Force UnleashedStar Wars found a home with gamers and has always had a home there, so more Star Wars video games don't surprise me at all. I mean, it is surprising that they've morphed into whatever the hell Battlefront 2 was, but that's a whole other topic. 
    Definitely. At this point they are out marvelling Marvel with their hectic release schedule lol.
    I don't think the problem is their film release schedule, it's with the quality of the films.  Right now they try to tie everything in to the existing films rather than branch out to other time periods or places.  That stymies creativity big time.

    I didn't like what Rian Johnson did with TLJ, but if he's given his own corner of the world that barely touches on previous films, I say let him go for it.  I think Abrams and company screwed themselves by making the end of ROTJ pointless and putting the renamed empire back on top.
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,303
    edited February 15
    ugh - why can't i delete posts - duplicate due to weird and unresponsive lag
    Post edited by FrodoFragins on
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 17,504
    Aeander said:
    I'd be okay with Ubisoft. They certainly have their major flaws, but at least they aren't entirely risk averse. Namely, a single player Star Wars game could have actually seen the light of day under Ubisoft.
    For single player titles I think Ubisoft would be a great fit. They're big enough to tack the IP but still willing to make single player games.

    Like @SBFord said in an earlier post, the IP is saturated. We're in the era of binging everything until we're sick of it. We're at one extreme. There must be a sane middle ground between not seeing something out of an IP for a decade or having it shoved down our throats at every turn.

    I'm so burnt out on superhero stuff right now. Odd thing, that little Marvel Heroes ARPG kept me more interested in that stuff than I'd realized. Now that the game is gone I feel more disconnected from Marvel than I did before.
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  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,525
    Aside from SWTOR, EA hasn't made a new SW game that I've been remotely interested in in years.  Even if EA wasn't screwing the brand up with its wrongheaded microtransactions, I'd like for another company to make a SW game that, you know, has some actual content in it.
  • REd-WindREd-Wind Member UncommonPosts: 92
    edited February 15
    Disney killed the expanded universe right when I was about to delve into it, I hope this shity loot box company hits them where it hurts and starts creating games based on the expanded universe because I'll play no matter the loot boxes and you guys know you will too!
    Post edited by REd-Wind on
  • NightHaveNNightHaveN Member UncommonPosts: 1,037
    If Disney is planning an MMO, then I understand why reaching Activision/Blizzard, because is the most successful _paid_ MMO publisher. They have lots of talent and experience on that market. But for regular rpg story game, most studios and publishers will do better than EA.
  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,356
    I've been seeing people talk about Star Wars fatigue a lot lately, but I find the notion bizarre right now. I've been waiting for new Star Wars stuff since not long after I graduated high school. For me, this is just the beginning and I'm excited for a new age of Star Wars films and digital media. Other than Battlefront, there really haven't been any Star Wars games for a long time. We're a far cry from the heyday of LucasArts and all the great Star Wars games from the 90's and early 2000's.

    Disney wiped the slate clean with the Expanded Universe and has only just begun to fill things back out with shows like Star Wars Rebels, new books and comics. Games are lagged behind all of that, mostly due to whatever is going on at EA. I don't really care who makes Star Wars games as long as quality is maintained.

    I grew up playing tons of Star Wars games, watching the films, and reading countless Star Wars books. It's been a long time since the universe has felt as alive as it did back then and as far as I'm concerned we're making up for lost time now. I'm not even remotely feeling Star Wars fatigue.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member EpicPosts: 7,510
    I love more Star Wars stuff.  But I have to take the good with the bad.  Love seeing more movies and hope to see more TV shows and mini-series one day, don't like characters that I've followed since the first Star Wars movie getting killed like it's a 'The Sopranos' series.

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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 7,008
    Arskaaa said:


    Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda. That's what I want to hear.



    elder scroll style star wars would be interesting.
    There already is one, it's called Star Wars The Old Republic lol.
    Gorwecameltosis
  • GorweGorwe Member RarePosts: 5,131
    MikeB said:
    I've been seeing people talk about Star Wars fatigue a lot lately, but I find the notion bizarre right now. I've been waiting for new Star Wars stuff since not long after I graduated high school. For me, this is just the beginning and I'm excited for a new age of Star Wars films and digital media. Other than Battlefront, there really haven't been any Star Wars games for a long time. We're a far cry from the heyday of LucasArts and all the great Star Wars games from the 90's and early 2000's.

    Disney wiped the slate clean with the Expanded Universe and has only just begun to fill things back out with shows like Star Wars Rebels, new books and comics. Games are lagged behind all of that, mostly due to whatever is going on at EA. I don't really care who makes Star Wars games as long as quality is maintained.

    I grew up playing tons of Star Wars games, watching the films, and reading countless Star Wars books. It's been a long time since the universe has felt as alive as it did back then and as far as I'm concerned we're making up for lost time now. I'm not even remotely feeling Star Wars fatigue.
    It'd be nice to explore from where this exhaustion comes. I suspect it's due to information overload. You've social networks, mobile games, MOBAs and co, other games, sports and all the other common real life stuff. Even at time of release of Revenge, the first half was 20% as strong as it is today(if 20%!). So a person gets exhausted by even things that wouldn't otherwise annoy him. Shortened attention span and such. Does this sound plausible enough to you?
  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,356
    Gorwe said:
    MikeB said:
    I've been seeing people talk about Star Wars fatigue a lot lately, but I find the notion bizarre right now. I've been waiting for new Star Wars stuff since not long after I graduated high school. For me, this is just the beginning and I'm excited for a new age of Star Wars films and digital media. Other than Battlefront, there really haven't been any Star Wars games for a long time. We're a far cry from the heyday of LucasArts and all the great Star Wars games from the 90's and early 2000's.

    Disney wiped the slate clean with the Expanded Universe and has only just begun to fill things back out with shows like Star Wars Rebels, new books and comics. Games are lagged behind all of that, mostly due to whatever is going on at EA. I don't really care who makes Star Wars games as long as quality is maintained.

    I grew up playing tons of Star Wars games, watching the films, and reading countless Star Wars books. It's been a long time since the universe has felt as alive as it did back then and as far as I'm concerned we're making up for lost time now. I'm not even remotely feeling Star Wars fatigue.
    It'd be nice to explore from where this exhaustion comes. I suspect it's due to information overload. You've social networks, mobile games, MOBAs and co, other games, sports and all the other common real life stuff. Even at time of release of Revenge, the first half was 20% as strong as it is today(if 20%!). So a person gets exhausted by even things that wouldn't otherwise annoy him. Shortened attention span and such. Does this sound plausible enough to you?
    Hard to say. Disney is pretty hardcore with the marketing, so it's definitely a possibility. I mean, I have Star Wars branded bananas here at home and not because I was looking for them, but because Star Wars is just everywhere. Maybe a disconnect between strictly film fans and EU fans for the lack of a better term? I feel that many people have a much narrower understanding of the Star Wars mythos because most fans only consume it through the films. The EU (comics, books, shows, games, etc.) really expanded on what stories told in the Star Wars universe could be like and we haven't even really scratched the surface of that in the Disney era. There's been some excellent books and comics so far, but the films and games have really just begun exploring the possibilities.

    I don't know. Maybe some see Disney squeezing blood from a stone. Another movie? Another game? How much can you possibly do with Star Wars? Anyone who has enjoyed the old (and new!) EU will tell you: quite a lot, actually!





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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 6,057
    Never saw the big deal with Star Wars anyways.  If any Harrison Ford led flick deserved such a following, it was Blade Runner. #yesisaidit #suckit

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  • LustsLusts Member UncommonPosts: 126


    Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda. That's what I want to hear.



    I'd rather see the Star Wars franchise go to an indie developer. If you give an indie developer such an opportunity, the amount of love that would be poured into developing that game would be huge.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 17,504
    MikeB said:
    Gorwe said:
    MikeB said:
    I've been seeing people talk about Star Wars fatigue a lot lately, but I find the notion bizarre right now. I've been waiting for new Star Wars stuff since not long after I graduated high school. For me, this is just the beginning and I'm excited for a new age of Star Wars films and digital media. Other than Battlefront, there really haven't been any Star Wars games for a long time. We're a far cry from the heyday of LucasArts and all the great Star Wars games from the 90's and early 2000's.

    Disney wiped the slate clean with the Expanded Universe and has only just begun to fill things back out with shows like Star Wars Rebels, new books and comics. Games are lagged behind all of that, mostly due to whatever is going on at EA. I don't really care who makes Star Wars games as long as quality is maintained.

    I grew up playing tons of Star Wars games, watching the films, and reading countless Star Wars books. It's been a long time since the universe has felt as alive as it did back then and as far as I'm concerned we're making up for lost time now. I'm not even remotely feeling Star Wars fatigue.
    It'd be nice to explore from where this exhaustion comes. I suspect it's due to information overload. You've social networks, mobile games, MOBAs and co, other games, sports and all the other common real life stuff. Even at time of release of Revenge, the first half was 20% as strong as it is today(if 20%!). So a person gets exhausted by even things that wouldn't otherwise annoy him. Shortened attention span and such. Does this sound plausible enough to you?
    Hard to say. Disney is pretty hardcore with the marketing, so it's definitely a possibility. I mean, I have Star Wars branded bananas here at home and not because I was looking for them, but because Star Wars is just everywhere. Maybe a disconnect between strictly film fans and EU fans for the lack of a better term? I feel that many people have a much narrower understanding of the Star Wars mythos because most fans only consume it through the films. The EU (comics, books, shows, games, etc.) really expanded on what stories told in the Star Wars universe could be like and we haven't even really scratched the surface of that in the Disney era. There's been some excellent books and comics so far, but the films and games have really just begun exploring the possibilities.

    I don't know. Maybe some see Disney squeezing blood from a stone. Another movie? Another game? How much can you possibly do with Star Wars? Anyone who has enjoyed the old (and new!) EU will tell you: quite a lot, actually!
    For me marketing saturation is a big factor. It's the same with the superhero stuff. It's not too many quality movies. It's the deluge of it everywhere.

    Also the feel of the IP is all over the place. Rogue One set a very different thematic timbre than the main movies, which was also very different from the animated shows which is also disconnected from the EU. So a combo of marketing deluge and thematic incohesion robs it of the mystery and compelling attraction that pulls me into an IP.

    I think there is quite a lot that can be done that would be interesting.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 4,965
    edited February 16
    Grakulen said:


    Bethesda, Bethesda, Bethesda. That's what I want to hear.



    Not gonna happen.
    Is that because they are like Blizzard and only make games with their own IPs?  That's the smart way to go for top developers.  Why pay another company and have to pass everything through a review process.
    Destiny. Bungee.
    Post edited by gervaise1 on
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