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Skyrim is from 2011. I think its time we stop comparing it to new games.
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Each time a new Open World RPG comes out the first thing I see are videos from fanboys saying how much BETTER their game is than Skyrim. Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim released Nov 11, 2011. Two Thousand Freaking Eleven.
I saw this comparison when the Witcher 3 released, Dragon Age Inquisition, Horizon Zero Dawn, Zelda BOTW etc. etc. Pretty much any open-world RPG gets compared to Skyrim off the bat. All great games btw.
Skyrim set the standard for the next decade of Open World RPG experiences. Without the mods, the base game of Skyrim is still an amazing 1st-time experience. I always tell new players (yes that's still a thing) that the first thing you should do is a playthrough with no mods to really experience it as intended. Over the years the Mods have become as big as the game did so it makes sense that people want to buy it just to experience that part of it. The base game itself though is still a high-quality RPG experience.
What gets me though, is how when these new games come out, people disregard how much influence Skyrim has had on the games after it. SO much so they start comparing it to games with better technology or games that improve on ideas Skyrim introduced. It's just not a fair comparison. Skyrim was amazing in its day, and like the games before it ES 3-4, it built on old ideas making them new ideas and made them all work. That's one thing we have to give Bethesda credit for, introducing fresh ideas that "just work".
Kingdom Come Deliverance may be a good game who knows? But I think comparing it to Skyrim is disrespectful and unfair. These new games have the advantage of time and technology. So saying they are BETTER than Skyrim is kinda obvious.. they should be BETTER if they use Skyrim's ideas as a starting point.
Bethesda's engine is obviously dated but in its time it was incredible. The old engine is the biggest issue for Bethesda and its why Todd Howard keeps hinting at them making the proper tech before we even smell word of ES6. The games that came after Skyrim for sure built upon ideas introduced by Bethesda's old engine and With the exception of The Witcher 3, none of those games have had the impact that Skyrim or any of The Elder Scrolls titles have had on the Gaming Industry as a whole. Great games but Skyrim revolutionized open world RPG games. They did it by building on old ideas turning them into new ones.
The same as these games, but we don't compare Neverwinter Nights to Skyrim, right?
I'm not even the biggest Skyrim fan, (more of a fallout guy) but I really dislike that people tend to forget about who are the trendsetters and who are the followers. Again, The Witcher 3 is in my top 3 games of All Time. I love that game, multiple playthroughs, but I would be a fool to act like The Witcher 3 didn't take some inspiration and even build on ideas that Bethesda introduced years before.
If anything, Skyrim's comparison would be the games that came out in its era.. so Dragon Age Origins, Borderlands, FFXIII, Fallout New Vegas, Fable 3, Mount and Blade: WB, and Mass Effect 2, those are the comparisons. etc..
Kingdom Come Deliverance has to be compared to The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn and Breath of The Wild etc since they are all recent. Not Skyrim. Skyrim is from 2011.
"Ten Reasons why Kingdom Come Deliverance is better than Skyrim" type videos need to die.
I saw this comparison when the Witcher 3 released, Dragon Age Inquisition, Horizon Zero Dawn, Zelda BOTW etc. etc. Pretty much any open-world RPG gets compared to Skyrim off the bat. All great games btw.
Skyrim set the standard for the next decade of Open World RPG experiences. Without the mods, the base game of Skyrim is still an amazing 1st-time experience. I always tell new players (yes that's still a thing) that the first thing you should do is a playthrough with no mods to really experience it as intended. Over the years the Mods have become as big as the game did so it makes sense that people want to buy it just to experience that part of it. The base game itself though is still a high-quality RPG experience.
What gets me though, is how when these new games come out, people disregard how much influence Skyrim has had on the games after it. SO much so they start comparing it to games with better technology or games that improve on ideas Skyrim introduced. It's just not a fair comparison. Skyrim was amazing in its day, and like the games before it ES 3-4, it built on old ideas making them new ideas and made them all work. That's one thing we have to give Bethesda credit for, introducing fresh ideas that "just work".
Kingdom Come Deliverance may be a good game who knows? But I think comparing it to Skyrim is disrespectful and unfair. These new games have the advantage of time and technology. So saying they are BETTER than Skyrim is kinda obvious.. they should be BETTER if they use Skyrim's ideas as a starting point.
Bethesda's engine is obviously dated but in its time it was incredible. The old engine is the biggest issue for Bethesda and its why Todd Howard keeps hinting at them making the proper tech before we even smell word of ES6. The games that came after Skyrim for sure built upon ideas introduced by Bethesda's old engine and With the exception of The Witcher 3, none of those games have had the impact that Skyrim or any of The Elder Scrolls titles have had on the Gaming Industry as a whole. Great games but Skyrim revolutionized open world RPG games. They did it by building on old ideas turning them into new ones.
The same as these games, but we don't compare Neverwinter Nights to Skyrim, right?
I'm not even the biggest Skyrim fan, (more of a fallout guy) but I really dislike that people tend to forget about who are the trendsetters and who are the followers. Again, The Witcher 3 is in my top 3 games of All Time. I love that game, multiple playthroughs, but I would be a fool to act like The Witcher 3 didn't take some inspiration and even build on ideas that Bethesda introduced years before.
If anything, Skyrim's comparison would be the games that came out in its era.. so Dragon Age Origins, Borderlands, FFXIII, Fallout New Vegas, Fable 3, Mount and Blade: WB, and Mass Effect 2, those are the comparisons. etc..
Kingdom Come Deliverance has to be compared to The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn and Breath of The Wild etc since they are all recent. Not Skyrim. Skyrim is from 2011.
"Ten Reasons why Kingdom Come Deliverance is better than Skyrim" type videos need to die.
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"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
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It's like saying Forza is better than Ridge Racer. Of course it is, they have better tech and time.
edit: and better might not be true..gotta wait and see universal response.. the only game I can say was BETTER was the Witcher 3. That really is better and is generally regarded as so..but still, they built on Bethesda ideas. Maybe Bethesda's new engine will be something closer to Witcher 3 than ES5.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
As for Kingdom come Deliverance, not impressed honestly, i don't think it compares that favourably to Skyrim, not that it really matters anyway as its an irrelevant comparison, and likely such comparisons are just acts of desperation as with the advent of Monster Hunter World and how well that game is doing, which, lets face it, given the choice of Monster Hunter World or Kingdom Come Deliverance, its an easy decision and i am guessing most will buy MHW, i wouldn't be at all surprised if Kingdom Come Deliverance was a bit of a flop, maybe they should have delayed the launch.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Witcher 3 gameplay and world building are the new norm not copy paste Skyrim.
I suspect that's one of the main reasons Bethesda decided to retool before pumping out the the next one.
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Skyrim is just the latest (and apparently the only one that some players know) but it's really nothing more than a technologically updated Arena in many ways. As with all ES games (save for Arena that made the whole continent available) the only other things that each ES game does differently than previous ones is some tweaks on things like classes and skills (I still miss the original spell crafting) and focusing the story and action on a smaller part of the continent.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
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From the Arena wiki page:
Arena was one of the first games to have a day and night cycle, with stores closing at night, people getting off the streets, and monsters (Orcs, Lizard Men, etc.) wandering around towns at night.
It really was something very unique for its time.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say neither the Skyrim or the Gothic 2 story are really original.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
As to the substance of your post, I don't recall seeing a bunch of recent games compared to Skyrim. Then again, if I did, I likely wouldn't notice it, as the comparison wouldn't be meaningful to me.
That there were some new games are better than some older games and worse than other older games is hardly a new phenomenon. Tecmo Super Bowl is still better than a lot of games that will release this year.
And correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like the Dovahkiin's dragon tongue shouts in any other games or mythology. Dragons that talk that shapeshift into human form and that use magic? Sure. They're ideas that go back millennia but I thought the shouts were a pretty cool and unique Skyrim thing.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Is there any doubt that the rest of Skyrim - and the dragons! - will be coming?
What is less clear is when / whether there will be another stand alone Elder Scrolls game. There were rumours but early last year (?) the speculation was that it had been put on the back burner. With ESO success maybe they feel it better to stick with that for now?
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The live ones are hiding until the Septim era or supposed to be on another continent that has never been touched by any of the games and the souls of the physically dead ones are dormant until Alduin's command to wake them up. I wouldn't expect any Dragons that aren't undead or Daedra in ESO.
They could decide to let players go to this other continent or have players go deep underground or something and run into one if they wanted to really stretch things but putting live Dragons into Tamriel would wreck Skyrim's storyline.
I think the hardcore fans and lore junkies would be seriously upset if they did it. Wouldn't bother me personally.