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Producer's Letter Introduces Rift Prime, a Subscription Based Progression Server - Rift - MMORPG.co

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Torval said:
    So I go and log into my Trion account, you know just to check in, but I keep getting a 404 error trying to authenticate. That's weird. I try all the ways you can access their portal through Rift, TrionWorlds, Glyph and no joy. Every time it redirects to 404.

    I thought maybe their site was having issues, maybe overloaded with people checking it out after the announcement of Prime. Nope, I opened Firefox, logged in first thing and was good to go. That's odd, so I closed Firefox and tried Chrome again.... 404.

    I could be the only person with the issue, but I doubt it even if it's intermittent. It's this kind of screwy technical stuff that always bites them in the ass (like their xpac woes last year). If they're going to run a promo like this they should get their back end services working better and make it less confusing with all the different portals to their site.



    You don't use IE? *pfft*
    Torval

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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,044
    edited January 2018
    Even if I did go back to Rift why would I want to waste my character that has every trade-skill at max almost?

    Having different servers like this is a mistake, but rather they should allow character transfers with no RNG items aka cash shop items allowed, but no RNG boxes.


  • LuidenLuiden Member UncommonPosts: 258
    Renoaku said:
    Even if I did go back to Rift why would I want to waste my character that has every trade-skill at max almost?

    Having different servers like this is a mistake, but rather they should allow character transfers with no RNG items aka cash shop items allowed, but no RNG boxes.


    So basically what you are saying is you don't want to level a character from 1 again.  I can kind of get that, but think about it.. you would get to enjoy all the lower level content again.  I've done it in DAOC, just forget about your old characters and start new again.. I think you will find that you may fall back in love with the game.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,399
    CrazKanuk said:
    Torval said:
    So I go and log into my Trion account, you know just to check in, but I keep getting a 404 error trying to authenticate. That's weird. I try all the ways you can access their portal through Rift, TrionWorlds, Glyph and no joy. Every time it redirects to 404.

    I thought maybe their site was having issues, maybe overloaded with people checking it out after the announcement of Prime. Nope, I opened Firefox, logged in first thing and was good to go. That's odd, so I closed Firefox and tried Chrome again.... 404.

    I could be the only person with the issue, but I doubt it even if it's intermittent. It's this kind of screwy technical stuff that always bites them in the ass (like their xpac woes last year). If they're going to run a promo like this they should get their back end services working better and make it less confusing with all the different portals to their site.



    You don't use IE? *pfft*
    I do actually. I use IE for work stuff only, mainly logging in to Citrix Receiver so I can use the actual RDP client instead of the embedded browser client. I split up the other browsers between work and personal. It sounds crazy, but it keeps me sane.
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  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,002
    If they make the server a P2P only server with no Cash Shop I would be game for this.   Now if the Cash shop is just the holiday stuff you can get in game I might even be able to do that.   If I want to buy Christmas stuff in July instead of waiting until Christmas thats 1 thing.  But when I see raid gear in the cash shop I just cannot support this model.



    If anyone is looking to build a good for Rift Prime let me know please.  
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,399
    danwest58 said:
    If they make the server a P2P only server with no Cash Shop I would be game for this.   Now if the Cash shop is just the holiday stuff you can get in game I might even be able to do that.   If I want to buy Christmas stuff in July instead of waiting until Christmas thats 1 thing.  But when I see raid gear in the cash shop I just cannot support this model.



    If anyone is looking to build a good for Rift Prime let me know please.  
    Why do you think it's okay for gamers who collect mounts, cosmetics, and other parts of the game to pay for it while the rest don't? Screw that. I'm not supporting that anymore. Put gear and power items in there and let the try-hards pay for their share.
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Torval said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    Torval said:
    So I go and log into my Trion account, you know just to check in, but I keep getting a 404 error trying to authenticate. That's weird. I try all the ways you can access their portal through Rift, TrionWorlds, Glyph and no joy. Every time it redirects to 404.

    I thought maybe their site was having issues, maybe overloaded with people checking it out after the announcement of Prime. Nope, I opened Firefox, logged in first thing and was good to go. That's odd, so I closed Firefox and tried Chrome again.... 404.

    I could be the only person with the issue, but I doubt it even if it's intermittent. It's this kind of screwy technical stuff that always bites them in the ass (like their xpac woes last year). If they're going to run a promo like this they should get their back end services working better and make it less confusing with all the different portals to their site.



    You don't use IE? *pfft*
    I do actually. I use IE for work stuff only, mainly logging in to Citrix Receiver so I can use the actual RDP client instead of the embedded browser client. I split up the other browsers between work and personal. It sounds crazy, but it keeps me sane.


    Lol, same. Work is pretty much the only place I use IE. 
    Torval

    Crazkanuk

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  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,002
    Torval said:
    danwest58 said:
    If they make the server a P2P only server with no Cash Shop I would be game for this.   Now if the Cash shop is just the holiday stuff you can get in game I might even be able to do that.   If I want to buy Christmas stuff in July instead of waiting until Christmas thats 1 thing.  But when I see raid gear in the cash shop I just cannot support this model.



    If anyone is looking to build a good for Rift Prime let me know please.  
    Why do you think it's okay for gamers who collect mounts, cosmetics, and other parts of the game to pay for it while the rest don't? Screw that. I'm not supporting that anymore. Put gear and power items in there and let the try-hards pay for their share.
    For the most part I agree with you.   My thing is if a person already has Stupid Funny Santa Hat on PEWPEW toon on Server Z and does not want to wait for Stupid Funny Santa Hat on IPAWNALL on Server A, I dont see a problem with buying that stuff out of the cash shop.   Because in all seriousness, Stupid Funny Santa Hat has 0 to do with the core game mechanics.  What pisses me off about the Cash Shop is when I logged into Rift the other day and see I can spend $250 on Raid gear I said fuck that.


    To me a Cash shop should be mainly used for Character Transfers, Name Changes, and stuff like that.  Not for buying Raid gear.   If you already have Stupid Funny Santa hat make it account wide to make it $2 off the cash shop so if a person has 50 toons he can throw money at the problem instead of collecting the hat for the 50th time.    

    Honestly I would like to see a real life cash shop for some of these games where I can buy a Tshirt or hat that I can wear that goes towards development of the game.  
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,399
    danwest58 said:
    Torval said:
    danwest58 said:
    If they make the server a P2P only server with no Cash Shop I would be game for this.   Now if the Cash shop is just the holiday stuff you can get in game I might even be able to do that.   If I want to buy Christmas stuff in July instead of waiting until Christmas thats 1 thing.  But when I see raid gear in the cash shop I just cannot support this model.



    If anyone is looking to build a good for Rift Prime let me know please.  
    Why do you think it's okay for gamers who collect mounts, cosmetics, and other parts of the game to pay for it while the rest don't? Screw that. I'm not supporting that anymore. Put gear and power items in there and let the try-hards pay for their share.
    For the most part I agree with you.   My thing is if a person already has Stupid Funny Santa Hat on PEWPEW toon on Server Z and does not want to wait for Stupid Funny Santa Hat on IPAWNALL on Server A, I dont see a problem with buying that stuff out of the cash shop.   Because in all seriousness, Stupid Funny Santa Hat has 0 to do with the core game mechanics.  What pisses me off about the Cash Shop is when I logged into Rift the other day and see I can spend $250 on Raid gear I said fuck that.


    To me a Cash shop should be mainly used for Character Transfers, Name Changes, and stuff like that.  Not for buying Raid gear.   If you already have Stupid Funny Santa hat make it account wide to make it $2 off the cash shop so if a person has 50 toons he can throw money at the problem instead of collecting the hat for the 50th time.    

    Honestly I would like to see a real life cash shop for some of these games where I can buy a Tshirt or hat that I can wear that goes towards development of the game.  
    If I have raid gear treadmill tier-x piece on that server z toon then why should I get to buy it in the cash shop? For the same reasons you shouldn't be buying cosmetics or anything else in a cash shop, but since that rule is broken then as far as I'm concerned all bets are off. Sell what you want. It's no worse to me to see a piece of gear in a cash shop than it is a mount or cool skin.

    Some games do offer physical stuff now, mostly indies because I think they're more open to any revenue stream just to stay alive.

    I agree with your intent to keep a cash shop from affecting game play, but my experience is that selling anything in a cash shop or stringing it out through a subscription (basically anything but fox fee B2P) affects how a game is designed and plays. I can sort of deal with one or the other (and put up with both) but in order to go back to Rift for a progression reboot I don't want to deal with the cash shop at all.

    Since they're having a cash shop, according to Hartsman's tweet, I'm not sure it's worth going back to me. I get that most people won't care and that's fine too, but that's why it won't work for me.
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  • HJ-NavarreHJ-Navarre Hero's Journey GMMember UncommonPosts: 40
    Sounds interesting. I'll definitely give it a whirl. Any respite from this ongoing AAA MMORPG drought is welcome.
  • KumaponKumapon Member RarePosts: 1,235


    Will there be classes that are still locked behind an additional paywall?



    That is an interesting question. Playing a chloro mage as it was originally, with more dps meaning more heal... THIS could be interesting, but I don't think it will be like this. Or not for long.

    So... If PRIME is a chocolate RIFT, will it be given with only the original classes and specs we had? Or downsized current specs? Will the paid cash shop OP primalists still be there?
  • IkedaIkeda Member RarePosts: 2,738
    As someone who goes back to Rift, I hate what it has become. But color me interested....
  • ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 157

    I take it we won't be in Azeroth anymore??  B)
  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,795

    Albatroes said:

    The real sad thing about all of this is that more people want Archeage to have a sub only server vs Rift.



    Never know if Trion see Rift sub server make tons of money for them. Then get to a Archeage Sub server. Money talks a lot for Trion or any mmo companies.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,313

    Albatroes said:

    The real sad thing about all of this is that more people want Archeage to have a sub only server vs Rift.



    Never know if Trion see Rift sub server make tons of money for them. Then get to a Archeage Sub server. Money talks a lot for Trion or any mmo companies.
    I think XL has more to say about Sub only server vs Trion since they are the developers after all. But I do believe AA sub only servers would get more money than Rift Prime.
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  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,795
    edited January 2018
    If anyone missed out on the live stream talks about it more. Seem to be season sub server let see if they don't change their mind or do.

  • OrionzaOrionza Member CommonPosts: 2
    EQ2 introduced this a short while back via their time-locked servers. Some folks liked this and some did not care for it. Since I was subbing at the time I tried it out. I didn't get far and ended up back to my main characters. I'm sure others still play there and love it. But it's not for me and neither will this be.

    All I saw it was a way to get more money out of a very old game. They give you absolutely nothing. They want you to start a character out at zero and enjoy it like it's fresh and new (sorry it will never be again). AND they want you to pay to have that experience. If folks want that experience there are so many games to look into. Why would I agree to pay to try to have a reboot of that experience on a decade+ old game? It doesn't make sense. I still play these older games because I have high level characters that took me years to build. I don't have to have the latest graphics and am used to them. But if I want a fresh experience I start a brand new game. There will be better games in the future that will naturally tear us away from these older ones. For now I'll enjoy my free-to-play and pay what I want from the cash shops.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,510
    edited January 2018
    CrazKanuk said:
    It's a trap! 

    Basically, this is more or less a case study to show the financial viability of the subscription model to a mass audience. This, plus WoW Classic launching in the same year? Ummm..... yeah! This could go one of two ways.

    1) It's wildly successful and means hope for AAA, or even AA MMORPG development again to get the genre out of the shit hole it's in. 

    2) It flops, which provides anecdotal evidence to the idea that the community is filled with a bunch of blowhards and keyboard warriors who talk a great game, but when it comes time to pony up some cash, they won't. In this case, the model will breathe it's final breath and ride off into the sunset, aside from, maybe, being added as an option to a hybrid model, if that. 

    I agree with what you have said, the sad fact is that if it may flop because people won't pay for this sort of server for a game that is 6 years old. That will be used to say they would not pay for this format in a brand new MMO, for which there is no evidence.

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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,313
    Orionza said:
    EQ2 introduced this a short while back via their time-locked servers. Some folks liked this and some did not care for it. Since I was subbing at the time I tried it out. I didn't get far and ended up back to my main characters. I'm sure others still play there and love it. But it's not for me and neither will this be.

    All I saw it was a way to get more money out of a very old game. They give you absolutely nothing. They want you to start a character out at zero and enjoy it like it's fresh and new (sorry it will never be again). AND they want you to pay to have that experience. If folks want that experience there are so many games to look into. Why would I agree to pay to try to have a reboot of that experience on a decade+ old game? It doesn't make sense. I still play these older games because I have high level characters that took me years to build. I don't have to have the latest graphics and am used to them. But if I want a fresh experience I start a brand new game. There will be better games in the future that will naturally tear us away from these older ones. For now I'll enjoy my free-to-play and pay what I want from the cash shops.
    The real issue I find with this is that, yes people pay to have an experience back, but the people in charge can change it at anytime unless they have separate servers for separate expansions. People go in without even knowing that and might get what they want, but the idea is fleeting unless they know the entire plan going forward, which is easy enough to divulge since its pretty much re-releasing the title.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,780
     Now all they need to do is announce the same thing for Archeage and they may just find themsleves headed in a positive direction in 2018 and be in the good graces of the MMORPG community again
  • some-clueless-guysome-clueless-guy Member UncommonPosts: 200
    Can anyone explain to the uninitiated (I am one of those) why they needed to do it? I don't play Rift and never managed to get involved with it, but I understand what the game is about.
    Is the community complaining about free-to-play players? Are there problems when the two communities are put together (paying and free customers)?
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member RarePosts: 792
    Can anyone explain to the uninitiated (I am one of those) why they needed to do it? I don't play Rift and never managed to get involved with it, but I understand what the game is about.
    Is the community complaining about free-to-play players? Are there problems when the two communities are put together (paying and free customers)?
    There have been some of the typical complaints of those who are simply opposed to the f2p model that one sees almost everywhere.

    In addition, there have been complaints about virtually every method used to entice players to spend money on game update packages.

    There has been some increasing tension between Trion and their non-subscribers as there was a shift for awhile to put more limitations on them compared to Patrons than before. This in turn led to some tension between the aggressively passionate f2p and subscribers on the forums.

    I don't see community issues being Trion's motivation here, though.

    Rather, I think it is an experiment by Trion to see how well declared interest in a subscription only classical version of Rift reflects actual interest.

    If the interest turns out to be genuine they may increase their revenue. If not, they can drop the retro server and will have proof that it isn't viable to quash any future request for it.

    Either way, Trion would benefit.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,399
    Albatroes said:

    Albatroes said:

    The real sad thing about all of this is that more people want Archeage to have a sub only server vs Rift.



    Never know if Trion see Rift sub server make tons of money for them. Then get to a Archeage Sub server. Money talks a lot for Trion or any mmo companies.
    I think XL has more to say about Sub only server vs Trion since they are the developers after all. But I do believe AA sub only servers would get more money than Rift Prime.
    I want a sub-only Rift server more than an AA one, but I'd do AA in a heartbeat if it was sub-only no cash shop. I've not seen any new info yet. Hopefully they'll have more specifics on the cash shop (or lack of) next week.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,399
    If anyone missed out on the live stream talks about it more. Seem to be season sub server let see if they don't change their mind or do.

    I actually don't mind them doing a seasonal progression server like DBG does with EQ2 and EQ. It's a good way for them and the players to test the waters and provide feedback. The newer progression servers for those games are set up much better now than their first couple of tries.

    If it were successful (for them and us) then I would hope they'd offer a permanent server with the same rules as live, just sub-locked.

    Early on, Trion did take a lot of player feedback and metrics for Rift. There were lots of little changes made because players liked or didn't like a thing.
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  • DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,011
    I will def try it, at launch I played a healer who healed with plants if I can remember it correct.

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