Is it still possible to get into the alpha ? I am craving a mmorpg and cannot find one to fill the void.
Honestly, this isn't a "get into alpha" scenario. It's a "I believe in the game and want to see it succeed so I am giving them money. A perk is that I can get into Alpha and help test and give my feedback along the way ..."
So yes You can give money and get into Alpha once they actually have an Alpha testing phase. There is no date for that.
But if you are just looking to play a game, save your money until the time comes when the game has beta, and launch set.
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It's not an accident a sizable chunk of the prealpha folks are in the RMT Agnarr poopsock guild Faceless Empire, and it's not to make the game a better place. Every item that matters will be mapped out and permacamped before the game even launches.
It's not an accident a sizable chunk of the prealpha folks are in the RMT Agnarr poopsock guild Faceless Empire, and it's not to make the game a better place. Every item that matters will be mapped out and permacamped before the game even launches.
You know this for a fact or are you just pulling things from your behind?
It's not an accident a sizable chunk of the prealpha folks are in the RMT Agnarr poopsock guild Faceless Empire, and it's not to make the game a better place. Every item that matters will be mapped out and permacamped before the game even launches.
Hopefully VR takes a more direct approach towards moderating gameplay and community standards.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. Benjamin Franklin
This is basically a long term kickstarter reward. At the $1000 tier you get access to pre-alpha.
Good job Lasterba,
It seems people are thinking greedy "here's my money, give me everything in return"
By giving a $1000 your saying "I believe in your cause, here's some money, I'll help you make a game"
Access to pre-alpha is a SMALL GIFT in return !!! It's no different than giving large sums of money to a charity and they give you a small red plastic flower that you could pin on your jacket.... meaning thank you !
People here seem to look at it this way "here's a $1000, give me a $1000 back"
That's about as believable as a prostitute who sells $1000 dollar pens with a "FREE GIFT" saying nobody did it for the sex.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
If I were, I expect what would be happening right now is that I would log in where I was told to log in, and would be doing whatever they told me to do. Roll this class. Chop down a tree. Go fishing. Fight goblins today. Comment on some issue in a forum. Something like that. Because they are still making the game! And the point is to test it (realizing there is not yet enough of it to advance to alpha).
Some people seem to think pre-alpha is folks running around playing the game in advance of everyone else, getting some major leg up on their "competition." I don't think that is the case. Plus, since the game will change over time, a lot of things they encounter will change before launch.
I don't see a reason to get worked up about it.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
This is basically a long term kickstarter reward. At the $1000 tier you get access to pre-alpha.
Good job Lasterba,
It seems people are thinking greedy "here's my money, give me everything in return"
By giving a $1000 your saying "I believe in your cause, here's some money, I'll help you make a game"
Access to pre-alpha is a SMALL GIFT in return !!! It's no different than giving large sums of money to a charity and they give you a small red plastic flower that you could pin on your jacket.... meaning thank you !
People here seem to look at it this way "here's a $1000, give me a $1000 back"
That's about as believable as a prostitute who sells $1000 dollar pens with a "FREE GIFT" saying nobody did it for the sex.
what a skewed outlook on life that you have.
In any case, if one were to give to the Lyric stage you would get benefits:
They are not investors,nobody should be calling them that.
They are suckers,giving their money up so someone they don't even know can build a game.
You want to build a game,go right ahead but your not getting my money to do it.Furthermore,if you need free handouts,then it is quite likely,you cannot afford to build a game properly,so expect that type of result. People left and complained about Vanguard,this will be even smaller and likely heavily instanced. It is nice to dream...hope...pray this game will turn out to be something decent and playable but common sense should say ,wait and see but don't get your hopes up. I am expecting a 6/10,if it turns out to be a 7 great,but i am not so sure it can be that good. When i watched their stream,i was falling asleep,i was even skeptical as to why Kohn was involved,what i saw gave me little hope.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
This is basically a long term kickstarter reward. At the $1000 tier you get access to pre-alpha.
Good job Lasterba,
It seems people are thinking greedy "here's my money, give me everything in return"
By giving a $1000 your saying "I believe in your cause, here's some money, I'll help you make a game"
Access to pre-alpha is a SMALL GIFT in return !!! It's no different than giving large sums of money to a charity and they give you a small red plastic flower that you could pin on your jacket.... meaning thank you !
People here seem to look at it this way "here's a $1000, give me a $1000 back"
That's about as believable as a prostitute who sells $1000 dollar pens with a "FREE GIFT" saying nobody did it for the sex.
what a skewed outlook on life that you have.
In any case, if one were to give to the Lyric stage you would get benefits:
Aren't those non-profits or not-for-profits where your donation is tax deductible? It's not the same thing at all.
It doesn't matter what you call it, that's just semantics. They're selling something for a price, what they use it for is irrelevant.
Yes they are not for profit.
I still see it as the same thing because though Pantheon will be a for profit game/endeavor, it's creation is up in the air. For those who believe in it they can give money. If they really believe in it they can become actual investors.
And if one gives money why shouldn't they get some sort of perks?
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Took a screen shot. Anyway check the website, sure it's the $10,000 that gets pre-alpha.
As for my stance it can be both, but let's not pretend people are not buying into pre-alpha.
I'm sure there are nice guys who just want to buy $1000 dollar pens and skip the "free gift" as well.
So you really think people are buying into pre-alpha because they want an awesome gaming experience as opposed to wanting to support the game?
Well, glass half full/half empty I suppose.
Their are people who believe they are donating to help the cause and people who believe they are buying into pre-alpha. Hell with some of the mental gymnasts around here there are probably people who believe both at the same time.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
It's not an accident a sizable chunk of the prealpha folks are in the RMT Agnarr poopsock guild Faceless Empire, and it's not to make the game a better place. Every item that matters will be mapped out and permacamped before the game even launches.
This doesn't really make sense. It would be silly to do that now when you could just do alpha for a fraction, and things are much less subject to change.
You're framing this as a donation, which it isn't, but barring that I agree that if an exchange of currency takes place (business transaction) then it should be beneficial to both parties.
Oh no, I'm not framing it as a donation at all. I AM framing it as an "an exchange of currency ... should be beneficial to both parties".
I just used examples that I knew of where one party gives money and gets benefits for giving money.
I suppose I could look at for profits as well but I think the point was pretty much made.
Seeing as how you can play this game for like $50 and still play alpha when much more content is complete for a few hundred, it's safe to conclude anyone paying thousands is doing it for the love of the concept and as a donation. Pre-alpha is a structured testing state and nothing like a normal early access.
Like I said before, if you're paying into pre-alpha to "play the game", you're doing it wrong.
It's not an accident a sizable chunk of the prealpha folks are in the RMT Agnarr poopsock guild Faceless Empire, and it's not to make the game a better place. Every item that matters will be mapped out and permacamped before the game even launches.
This doesn't really make sense. It would be silly to do that now when you could just do alpha for a fraction, and things are much less subject to change.
My plan is to wait for a fraction of a fraction of the price at release when they hopefully have an optimized, tested, no more wipes, launch ready game.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
It's not an accident a sizable chunk of the prealpha folks are in the RMT Agnarr poopsock guild Faceless Empire, and it's not to make the game a better place. Every item that matters will be mapped out and permacamped before the game even launches.
This doesn't really make sense. It would be silly to do that now when you could just do alpha for a fraction, and things are much less subject to change.
My plan is to wait for a fraction of a fraction of the price at release when they hopefully have an optimized, tested, no more wipes, launch ready game.
That's really the way to go if you aren't worried about the games success or failure. I myself don't really feel confident that I will ever see a game of this sort again, so I was willing to pledge early to help make it a reality. For everyone else with a casual interest, put your feet up and check the news feed from time to time.
This is basically a long term kickstarter reward. At the $1000 tier you get access to pre-alpha.
Good job Lasterba,
It seems people are thinking greedy "here's my money, give me everything in return"
By giving a $1000 your saying "I believe in your cause, here's some money, I'll help you make a game"
Access to pre-alpha is a SMALL GIFT in return !!! It's no different than giving large sums of money to a charity and they give you a small red plastic flower that you could pin on your jacket.... meaning thank you !
People here seem to look at it this way "here's a $1000, give me a $1000 back"
That's about as believable as a prostitute who sells $1000 dollar pens with a "FREE GIFT" saying nobody did it for the sex.
what a skewed outlook on life that you have.
In any case, if one were to give to the Lyric stage you would get benefits:
Aren't those non-profits or not-for-profits where your donation is tax deductible? It's not the same thing at all.
It doesn't matter what you call it, that's just semantics. They're selling something for a price, what they use it for is irrelevant.
Yes they are not for profit.
I still see it as the same thing because though Pantheon will be a for profit game/endeavor, it's creation is up in the air. For those who believe in it they can give money. If they really believe in it they can become actual investors.
And if one gives money why shouldn't they get some sort of perks?
You're framing this as a donation, which it isn't, but barring that I agree that if an exchange of currency takes place (business transaction) then it should be beneficial to both parties.
Oh no, I'm not framing it as a donation at all. I AM framing it as an "an exchange of currency ... should be beneficial to both parties".
I just used examples that I knew of where one party gives money and gets benefits for giving money.
I suppose I could look at for profits as well but I think the point was pretty much made.
Now what if that system is detrimental to the overall birth and development of the community and game. And going back to Lasterba's point, that doesn't invalidate that selling alpha for $1k sounds ridiculous or is problematic. My point being that I think the way indie crowd-funding is evolving is bad for the community and genre overall.
The landscape is taking shape where only the rich supporters develop the game and the poor supporters get whatever. That can't end up well. It didn't work out for Shroud at all. It really didn't work out for Repop either.
A few rich people funding and creating a game to their tastes is how AAA development works. Indie development is not so slowly adopting the same pattern as AAA development. Indie devs have been sending the PR message they care about the MMO community, but the fact is if they could all secure Angel funding without dealing with the dirty masses they would. Much like the arts, they only care about reaching their funding goal and making those happy who can make that possible.
I have a problem with that because I think it creates a poor environment for community participation and inclusion and that will affect the project focus and design.
I think there is the "ideal" and then reality.
You can find that in a variety of beliefs and systems throughout history.
In the end the truth is that they need x amount of dollars to complete their game.
It's nice to say "hey, let's all get together, give $10 and we all benefit. But if that isn't enough then what? I'm sure it isn't in the end.
another ideal of crowdfunding is that "it's in the PLAYERS' hands! Let's all get the players involved so game companies don't have to cater to GREEDY developers".
Except they now have to cater to all those players who gave them money and expect the promised x, y and z. Suppose during game development y is too expense to really implement and z turns out just not to work. So they cut it.
Suddenly all those players who gave money are going to be up in arms as they gave money for those features.
In the end there are some rather hard absolutes in game development, no matter where the funding is coming from. They cost money and a lot of money, things change, designing with hard and fast deadlines is difficult, especially when unforeseen things happen. I can tell you there's truth to that. I've been working on a Skyrim mod for a few years now and man, just when you think an encounter works, it turns out it doesn't. So you then spend hours and hours trying to figure out why and that's time you thought you were going to be doing something else. And that's just a mod, not a game from scratch.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
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So yes You can give money and get into Alpha once they actually have an Alpha testing phase. There is no date for that.
But if you are just looking to play a game, save your money until the time comes when the game has beta, and launch set.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
mmorpg junkie since 1999
Hopefully VR takes a more direct approach towards moderating gameplay and community standards.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/If I were, I expect what would be happening right now is that I would log in where I was told to log in, and would be doing whatever they told me to do. Roll this class. Chop down a tree. Go fishing. Fight goblins today. Comment on some issue in a forum. Something like that. Because they are still making the game! And the point is to test it (realizing there is not yet enough of it to advance to alpha).
Some people seem to think pre-alpha is folks running around playing the game in advance of everyone else, getting some major leg up on their "competition." I don't think that is the case. Plus, since the game will change over time, a lot of things they encounter will change before launch.
I don't see a reason to get worked up about it.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
In any case, if one were to give to the Lyric stage you would get benefits:
https://www.lyricstage.com/support/benefits.cfm
If I give to the Huntington Theater I get benefits:
https://www.huntingtontheatre.org/support/benefits/
If I give to the Boston Symphony I can get benefits. And on the 4k level:
https://www.bso.org/brands/bso/contribute/info-for-current-donors/donor-events.aspx
"What?!?!? 4k for just a dinner!!!! Outrageous!"
or you can pick your donation and also get perks:
https://www.bso.org/Forms/Donation?fund=81
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Probably because people are buying pre-alpha for $1000 dollars.
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/
Actually it looks like on the website only the $10,000 package includes pre-alpha. Anyone else see that?
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/You don't really get out much do you?
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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Also checking the webpage I'm sure it only lists the $10,000 tier as pre-alpha. Anyone else confirm?
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
They are suckers,giving their money up so someone they don't even know can build a game.
You want to build a game,go right ahead but your not getting my money to do it.Furthermore,if you need free handouts,then it is quite likely,you cannot afford to build a game properly,so expect that type of result.
People left and complained about Vanguard,this will be even smaller and likely heavily instanced.
It is nice to dream...hope...pray this game will turn out to be something decent and playable but common sense should say ,wait and see but don't get your hopes up.
I am expecting a 6/10,if it turns out to be a 7 great,but i am not so sure it can be that good.
When i watched their stream,i was falling asleep,i was even skeptical as to why Kohn was involved,what i saw gave me little hope.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I still see it as the same thing because though Pantheon will be a for profit game/endeavor, it's creation is up in the air. For those who believe in it they can give money. If they really believe in it they can become actual investors.
And if one gives money why shouldn't they get some sort of perks?
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
So your right, the only way to get into pre-alpha now is to buy the $10,000 option.
Took a screen shot. Anyway check the website, sure it's the $10,000 that gets pre-alpha.
As for my stance it can be both, but let's not pretend people are not buying into pre-alpha.
I'm sure there are nice guys who just want to buy $1000 dollar pens and skip the "free gift" as well.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Well, glass half full/half empty I suppose.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/I just used examples that I knew of where one party gives money and gets benefits for giving money.
I suppose I could look at for profits as well but I think the point was pretty much made.
Though, right off the bat ...
https://www.thebalance.com/the-world-of-shareholder-perks-and-benefits-356147
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Like I said before, if you're paying into pre-alpha to "play the game", you're doing it wrong.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/You can find that in a variety of beliefs and systems throughout history.
In the end the truth is that they need x amount of dollars to complete their game.
It's nice to say "hey, let's all get together, give $10 and we all benefit. But if that isn't enough then what? I'm sure it isn't in the end.
another ideal of crowdfunding is that "it's in the PLAYERS' hands! Let's all get the players involved so game companies don't have to cater to GREEDY developers".
Except they now have to cater to all those players who gave them money and expect the promised x, y and z. Suppose during game development y is too expense to really implement and z turns out just not to work. So they cut it.
Suddenly all those players who gave money are going to be up in arms as they gave money for those features.
In the end there are some rather hard absolutes in game development, no matter where the funding is coming from. They cost money and a lot of money, things change, designing with hard and fast deadlines is difficult, especially when unforeseen things happen. I can tell you there's truth to that. I've been working on a Skyrim mod for a few years now and man, just when you think an encounter works, it turns out it doesn't. So you then spend hours and hours trying to figure out why and that's time you thought you were going to be doing something else. And that's just a mod, not a game from scratch.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo