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Call of Duty Swatting leads to death of a innocent man in Kansas

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited December 2017
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    The sheer idiocy in this thread is astounding.  The media propaganda you guys taken in and believe would make Goebbels drunk with merriment.  
    How utterly ironic.

    In a thread spouting the police are out killing unarmed people in hugh numbers unjustly...yes.  Idiocy.  Spurred on by media trying to get eyes on articles with no facts.  The facts are that out of 976 police shootings in 2017 only 68 were unarmed.  As to the comment about shooting a knife wielding family member...yeah they get shot if they do not put it down and approach the officers.  Officers are not paid to die for your idiot family members when they threaten people.  

    As to your gun control.  The US made a decision to have guns a long time ago.  You hate it then go change the Constitution and stop trying to make an end run through legislation.  
    The US made a decision to have guns when the most common fucking firearm was a muzzle loader.

    Not only that, but gun control =/= no guns.  What was that about idiocy spurred on by media trying to get eyes on articles with no facts?
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 7,989
    Sad part is, none of the kids these days will give an F regardless of this situation; and may even laugh about it. I hate to say it but maybe game companies should start using AI and voice logging to weed these threats. Sounds 1984ish, but we have stupid rules because of stupid people.
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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,124
    tawess said:

    I was talking about murder or acts that lead to injury or/and death (in the case of this article). As I said, I have yet to see an article where someone saw a boob and then walked into a mall or a movie theater and shot a bunch of people. I have however seen news articles where violent games have been the cause of the person commiting an act of violence. Or in this case, swatting an innocent person.
    Nah... it usually takes a lot less than that... It is called rape... Look it up. 
    That has nothing to do with what I said. What you and the other person talked about is completely different to what I am talking about. I am talking about mass murder, like shooting up a movie theater (or recently, the vegas shooting) or swatting someone.
    But it follows the same logic. 

    Both porn and violent games get blamed for creating perpetrators. 

    Sure we have yet to see one person raping 10-20 persons at one time.. but serial-rapists otoh do exist and the same amount of victims can be created.... Porn does get a lot of blame in regards to rape... Mostly because of the social stigma regarding masturbation. 

    Anyway.. Neither has any bearing on this.... Since as i said... this has nothing to do with violent games and everything to do with a sick individual and the society who shaped him. As i said... put enough prestige in to candy crush and this could have started with that.

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    Police are not very good at their job.  Too trigger happy not enough use of the brains........
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,633
    shaddy33 said:

    Are you fucking serious?




    Scavenger, I completely disagree with what you said as you are comparing apples and oranges. Nonetheless, you reminded me of a story in high school. 

    We're watching this movie and there is a scene where someone cut their finger and there was a little bit of blood coming up. The kid to my right said, "Eww, blood that is disgusting". The kid behind us and to the right said, "Really?". The kid to my right said, "yeah, blood scares me". 

    Next scene, literally 10 seconds later, shows boobs. The kid to the right and behind me says to the kid to my right, "You scared of those too?". I burst out laughing. 

    . . . That was truly funny . . . 

    Back to the thread, you need the raw unbiased data and then to perform unbiased analysis on it to determine whether an assertion is true or not. So if a person believe cops are killing unarmed people for no reason, then show the raw data that portrays this assertion. What the media chooses to highlight actually does a disservice to true knowledge, because whatever they highlight, it makes it seem like it is super common when it is not. Essentially, the media could just be highlighting a bunch of outliers which people will then assume is the norm when it is not. 

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,660
    Tiller said:
    Sad part is, none of the kids these days will give an F regardless of this situation; and may even laugh about it. I hate to say it but maybe game companies should start using AI and voice logging to weed these threats. Sounds 1984ish, but we have stupid rules because of stupid people.
    Interesting point. In all the classes and conversations I've had about 1984 I don't think the discussion has ever talked about what led to that sort of state. There is an assumption that people in charge want to use fear and oppression to live large and powerful, but not so much why they need to do so.

    What I think is that people will get fed up with lawlessness and accept more draconian intrusions to ensure better public safety. Some of those nefarious things sci-fi authors warned about in the fifties and sixties are coming to pass - genetic identification, profiling, mass embedded identification, and so on. The irony is, the thing they got wrong, is that we'll ask for and welcome it instead of it being foisted on us.
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    The sheer idiocy in this thread is astounding.  The media propaganda you guys taken in and believe would make Goebbels drunk with merriment.  
    How utterly ironic.

    In a thread spouting the police are out killing unarmed people in hugh numbers unjustly...yes.  Idiocy.  Spurred on by media trying to get eyes on articles with no facts.  The facts are that out of 976 police shootings in 2017 only 68 were unarmed.  As to the comment about shooting a knife wielding family member...yeah they get shot if they do not put it down and approach the officers.  Officers are not paid to die for your idiot family members when they threaten people.  

    As to your gun control.  The US made a decision to have guns a long time ago.  You hate it then go change the Constitution and stop trying to make an end run through legislation.  
    Sites media "propaganda"
    Proceeds to spout random numbers with no source

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  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 2,021
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    The sheer idiocy in this thread is astounding.  The media propaganda you guys taken in and believe would make Goebbels drunk with merriment.  
    How utterly ironic.

    As to your gun control.  The US made a decision to have guns a long time ago.  You hate it then go change the Constitution and stop trying to make an end run through legislation.  


    mfw implying the Constitution and legislation are not the same thing.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Torval said:
    Tiller said:
    Sad part is, none of the kids these days will give an F regardless of this situation; and may even laugh about it. I hate to say it but maybe game companies should start using AI and voice logging to weed these threats. Sounds 1984ish, but we have stupid rules because of stupid people.
    Interesting point. In all the classes and conversations I've had about 1984 I don't think the discussion has ever talked about what led to that sort of state. There is an assumption that people in charge want to use fear and oppression to live large and powerful, but not so much why they need to do so.

    What I think is that people will get fed up with lawlessness and accept more draconian intrusions to ensure better public safety. Some of those nefarious things sci-fi authors warned about in the fifties and sixties are coming to pass - genetic identification, profiling, mass embedded identification, and so on. The irony is, the thing they got wrong, is that we'll ask for and welcome it instead of it being foisted on us.
    With the right oversight and clear intent, those things can be beneficial.  In and of itself, genetic identification can be a huge boon to the species, for example.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,713
    Many posts I agree with here.
    Full of sympathy for the victim and his family and the demand to control both the police better as well as the people behind such "pranks"

    However..
    'Violent games create violent gamers but erotic games do not...'

    Well I know what you meant to say but there is a time and a case for such things and this really was the worst time possible to bring it up.

    The cake get's taken though by the guy who compares reported police shootings of unarmed civilians to Nazi propaganda...

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    waynejr2 said:
    Police are not very good at their job.  Too trigger happy not enough use of the brains........
    My point in a nutshell. Nobody calls 911 for this incompetence. American police are ill-trained, scarey, and can't tell the difference between a PS4 controller and a handgun. They think a knife at 10-15ft requires lethal force because a person "didn't put it down". They think a deaf person is suspicious and making gang gestures. They don't believe they are public servants and that their compliance requests are mortally absolute. Then after all that, when in the wrong... BLUE WALL. Badge over everything. Sounds eerily close to street gangs.

    Here's some libertard cuck media propaganda to add. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,542
    edited December 2017
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    The sheer idiocy in this thread is astounding.  The media propaganda you guys taken in and believe would make Goebbels drunk with merriment.  
    How utterly ironic.

    In a thread spouting the police are out killing unarmed people in hugh numbers unjustly...yes.  Idiocy.  Spurred on by media trying to get eyes on articles with no facts.  The facts are that out of 976 police shootings in 2017 only 68 were unarmed.  As to the comment about shooting a knife wielding family member...yeah they get shot if they do not put it down and approach the officers.  Officers are not paid to die for your idiot family members when they threaten people.  

    As to your gun control.  The US made a decision to have guns a long time ago.  You hate it then go change the Constitution and stop trying to make an end run through legislation.  

    I love how you throw out random numbers to try to make your narrative work and appear smarter but actually it causes the opposite its amazing. You should get a job with all that half truth talent!

    Since you want to prove how smart you are by using google AND numbers (gee you're smart!) Let me follow your lead.. OH LOOK first result is Washington post?? NO WAY..  Oh did you only look at unarmed and not the rest? Okay let me try!

    I made sure to add all unknown, toys, other, unarmed  into one group since they are the same. (Cant help it i'm a tank) It clearly says deadly weapon or armed in these charts but For some reason the police felt the need to put unknown, toys, other and unarmed as separate things instead of just saying unarmed or no threat.. but I digress.

    In 2017 879 killings were not caught on body cam. 97 were. 
    (Strange.. Its almost like lack of proof means public has to accept what they say as truth.. but lets play ball with what they gave us.)


    In 2015 1146 people died to police shootings. 219 unarmed
    In 2016 1093 people died to police shootings. 273 unarmed
    In 2017   976 people died to police shootings. 249 unarmed
    741 unarmed/no threat killings in 3 years

    This is far far too many,but do some math. 3215 people dead to police shooting since 2015..741 unarmed..dude that's 23-25% unarmed. You couldn't fit those bodies in your house. 

    So Based on the data from these sites about 23% of people are unarmed. According to police data they made public.  So for sake of fair argument and the police maybe lying about data lets say its 20%. 

    20% of 3215 = 643

    In 3 years that's almost 650 unarmed people in America who posed no threat, dead to police gun fire. That's too many. How many lives would it take before the government starts changing how they hire? 2000? 

    source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

    Food for thought big guy

    edit: said same thing twice.
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  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 2,021
    waynejr2 said:
    Police are not very good at their job.  Too trigger happy not enough use of the brains........
    My point in a nutshell. Nobody calls 911 for this incompetence. American police are ill-trained, scarey, and can't tell the difference between a PS4 controller and a handgun. They think a knife at 10-15ft requires lethal force because a person "didn't put it down". They think a deaf person is suspicious and making gang gestures. They don't believe they are public servants and that their compliance requests are mortally absolute. Then after all that, when in the wrong... BLUE WALL. Badge over everything. Sounds eerily close to street gangs.

    Here's some libertard cuck media propaganda to add. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I'm going to post here something I posted to another sites forums (hope it's OK):

    "We need to stop hiring pussies for officers! FFS they were across the street from him. Shall you quit being a scared POS and wait to actually see if he had a weapon from the safety of your cruisers? Or are you gonna blast a guy with Cerebral Palsy the next time too? Between this and the manchild that shot that guy lying on the floor in that hotel I can honestly say that we need to screen our cops like we do any Special Forces we have. Screw the Pigs. Honestly. If you aren't willing to get shot at then don't become a cop. Easy as that. No excuses for this at all. The threat assessment training is sorely lacking it seems. Where was the threat in this instance? A guy facing away from the people you were supposed to be protecting as a cop (i.e. standing with your back to the front door outside of the house full of people you were threatening to kill) is no threat to anyone, especially the innocent people you are tasked to protect. Were the cops in harms way? Hard to tell with them cowering behind their vehicles. I'm sure the poor sod about to be executed on his own GD porch couldn't tell with the lights being shined in his eyes.

    People support this kind of BS because Muh Securty! Some great person in our history mentioned something about this kind of tradeoff between freedom (to not get capped on your porch by a trigger-happy coward wearing a badge) and security (to bow down and thank our men in blue for not killing us because we didn't startle him by picking your nose).

    /rant off"

    I posted that as soon as I saw the bodycam video of the murder. Yes I was very pissed.
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  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,802
    There is a vast difference between soldiers, and police. Soldiers kill people, and break things. Police (in the old days known as Peace Officers...) are there to maintain the peace, and deescalate situations before they get out of control.

    When you mix the two roles, BAD things happen, as we've seen countless examples of over the years.

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  • AvarixAvarix Member RarePosts: 663
    Torval said:
    Tiller said:
    Sad part is, none of the kids these days will give an F regardless of this situation; and may even laugh about it. I hate to say it but maybe game companies should start using AI and voice logging to weed these threats. Sounds 1984ish, but we have stupid rules because of stupid people.
    Interesting point. In all the classes and conversations I've had about 1984 I don't think the discussion has ever talked about what led to that sort of state. There is an assumption that people in charge want to use fear and oppression to live large and powerful, but not so much why they need to do so.

    What I think is that people will get fed up with lawlessness and accept more draconian intrusions to ensure better public safety. Some of those nefarious things sci-fi authors warned about in the fifties and sixties are coming to pass - genetic identification, profiling, mass embedded identification, and so on. The irony is, the thing they got wrong, is that we'll ask for and welcome it instead of it being foisted on us.
    United States Department of Homeland Security comes to mind.
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  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 1,522
    edited December 2017
    Well, they arrested the punk.  Considering that his past transgressions have already shown him to be nothing but a danger to innocent people and a burden on society, here's hoping he gets a nice long prison sentence.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/29/wichita-man-killed-by-police-after-false-hostage-report-was-murdered-mother-swatting


    Truthfully he seems like such irredeemable idiotic trash that it'd probably be more resource efficient to just throw him off a cliff or something but eh.
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 7,989
    Tiamat64 said:
    Well, they arrested the punk.  Considering that his past transgressions have already shown him to be nothing but a danger to innocent people and a burden on society, here's hoping he gets a nice long prison sentence.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/29/wichita-man-killed-by-police-after-false-hostage-report-was-murdered-mother-swatting


    Truthfully he seems like such irredeemable idiotic trash that it'd probably be more resource efficient to just throw him off a cliff or something but eh.
    Looks like he has done this type of stuff before.


  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Gaming-firm-helping-police-in-Kansas-shooting-467186083.html

    WICHITA, Kan. (AP) A spokeswoman says a company that runs online gaming tournaments is assisting authorities as they investigate the fatal shooting by a police officer of a Kansas man.

    UMG Gaming operates online gaming tournaments, including one for the Call of Duty game.

    UMG Vice President Shannon Gerritzen said in an email that the company is "doing everything we can to assist the authorities."

    Authorities are investigating whether the shooting of 28-year-old Andrew Finch in Wichita stemmed from someone making up a false report to get a SWAT team to descend upon a home. The practice known as "swatting" is more common among online gamers.

    Police have said they were called to Finch's home Thursday by a false report of a homicide and hostage situation and an officer shot him.

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  • PopplePopple Member UncommonPosts: 238
    I dont worry about guns. I worry more on the Police and the Justice System. They are both so corrupted!! What bother me even more, everyone knows it and dont do shit to stop it(Corruption). Tragic all the way around..
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  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Member RarePosts: 1,247
    Sorry Call of Duty. With people like this I want nothing to do with your game. 
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Sorry Call of Duty. With people like this I want nothing to do with your game. 
    Do you REALLY believe behavior like this is isolated to Call of Duty? Like IRL you believe this? Or are you RP'ing?
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    edited December 2017
    Sorry Call of Duty. With people like this I want nothing to do with your game. 
    Do you REALLY believe behavior like this is isolated to Call of Duty? Like IRL you believe this? Or are you RP'ing?
    Its not JUST Call of Duty. But most of the swatting stories I read about as far as online games go involve Call of Duty.

    A simple google search "Call of Duty Swatting" reveals LOTS of stories about it

    https://www.google.com/search?q=call+of+duty+swatting&oq=call+of+duty+swatting&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j69i60j0.2335j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    As I said, violent games make the problem worse. But something about Call of Duty seems to effect "some" people worse than it does in games like Battlefield or even Planetside. Though pretty sure there was a swatting incident or two I saw with battlefield, so again not just Call of Duty. But the stories that come out seem focused on CoD for some reason as far as swatting goes.

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  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,708
    waynejr2 said:
    Police are not very good at their job.  Too trigger happy not enough use of the brains........
    Unless you have been in law enforcement, you might want to rethink your statement. Officers normally have a split second to determine if someone is a threat or not. It is not as cut and dried as so many think. If you ever have a chance, go to the local police department and have them run you through their threat program. You will come out with a greater appreciation of just how quickly the police have to make that life and death choice.

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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,200
    What is swatting?
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    edited December 2017
    Gruug said:
    waynejr2 said:
    Police are not very good at their job.  Too trigger happy not enough use of the brains........
    Unless you have been in law enforcement, you might want to rethink your statement. Officers normally have a split second to determine if someone is a threat or not. It is not as cut and dried as so many think. If you ever have a chance, go to the local police department and have them run you through their threat program. You will come out with a greater appreciation of just how quickly the police have to make that life and death choice.

    Yeah, I'd rather the marines/army come to my door in full gear before a US officer. In the US they're ill-trained. Say what you want.
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