https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/23081/a-thought-on-selling-coe-to-potential-publishers "During last nights multi-hour impromptu Q&A Caspian expressed some frustration in his attempts to market COE to potential publishers. He described publishers that refused to read his 8 page comparison of COE to other MMOs, publishers that wanted loot crates and micro transactions, and publishers simply not understanding the appeal COE has for so many."Wow... now we know why all the focus is on selling stuff in the store.
Looks like other folks have the same concerns discussed here. They have "pre-sold" the product to their most loyal customers along with tons of "sparks" to last for years. There seems to be a question about the viability of the business model.
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Just like all those other haters that said CoE's scope was insane and impossible!!!
/sarcasm
The fact that Caspian seems genuinely confused why publishers don't want to get near his game is... kinda sad. Like seeing a diseased rabid puppy covered in manure wondering why no one wants to play with him. The puppy would be more sympathetic if it wasn't constantly trying to bite everyone and rip out their throats.
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Right there is his problem. That needs to turn into a 2 sentence statement and maybe a graph showing ROI over 5 years. Nobody is going to read 8 damn pages.. a 1 pager max should be created. You have to have your pitch down, or you stand no chance.
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I mean, so many gamers are up in arms over x lootboxes, x microtransactions, multiple pages of stuff complaining that they are being nickel and dimed.
Well, this is why they are being nickel and dimed. And i'm not blaming the publishers, it's their money they can do what they want.
But the next time some gamer complains about EA or some other game company they might want to take a step back and realize that it is about making money. Period.
Chronicles of Elyria should have been aware of this but gamers need to realize that game developers might not have the final say if they don't have deep pockets.
Oh, and they then complain about kickstarter.
It's really like they are kids and they don't know how things are paid for.
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Saying "Chronicles of Elryia will make a huge profit!" means jack squat if the game's plan is too impossible for the game to ever finish development.
And it isn't the type of gameplan that you could improve by throwing money at it. Some people say "It needs more money!" but I honestly don't think money by itself would be enough. It'd need a ton of money, time, AND technology that doesn't exist yet. And no, one can't just say "Oh, if it needs time, then the technology for it will exist by the time it's done!" like I've seen some Star Citizen or CoE fanboys say. That's not how game development works.
It'd also need competent developers and managers. All the time, money, and technology in the world means nothing if the developers and management aren't competent. Caspien didn't even have a development team when he first proposed the project and the people he signed on to it didn't exactly have very good credentials. And Caspien's own competence as a manager is questionable considering his timeline for his impossible promises in the first place. He's also a real jerk, judging by how he snapped at everyone who gave constructive feedback.
CoE needing ridiculous amounts of time AND money AND tech AND talent that it doesn't have doesn't really have anything to do with gamers, I think? Unless I'm missing something here.
In a genre that has been nothing but unfulfilled promises in the past 10 years, CoE is just another one that claims to be the new revolution of mmo.
Also some members of that team have too much of a fake salesman wibe over them or at the least overconfident of their own abilities which will eventually need to be adjusted with reality.. and results of such adjustments are always unknown.
For a publisher, I think CoE is just too complex and ambitious to make a calculated risk assessment on. It is all on one number and maybe that number pays x36 but most publishers would rather gamble on safer odds games.
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There's a sucker born every minute and thus there shall always be some silly indie MMORPG project that's so ridiculously mismanaged and crazily overpromised or out of touch you'd think no one would fund it but it gets funding anyways. In part because of people like you who refuse to see the bad thing about obviously bad things and encourage others to do the same. Thus the entertainment never ends.
Despite that the whole 'We know better than anyone else!' attitude just seems like a familiar course straight towards the next iceberg.
If I could predict the future, that would make these things a lot less entertaining actually. Caspien whining about how no publisher wants to get anywhere near him would have been a heck of a lot less interesting if I predicted it in advance for example. And then there's things like Star Citizen TANKing (there's a pun in there, for those who don't know what's going on with Star Citizen right now) and it's like, the best entertainers in the world couldn't make this stuff up! Nor could I have predicted it, and I'm glad I didn't!
So far up to the plate, we have Shroud of Avatar, Star Citizen, Pantheon, Chronicles of Elyria, Crowfall, Ashes of Creation, etc etc.... you say some of them will succeed? Well let's see! Will any of them succeed? Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen! Er, but don't bet on SoTA. I consider that one failed already since it reached launch and proceeded to disappoint pretty much everyone besides like, 3 people. It sure was a hoot in doing so, though. Sales of Lord British's blood, USED TO MAKE ART. They friggin' monetized the death of Garriot's mother! Like I said, entertainers can't make this stuff up!
Well, thanks again for funding my entertainment. For what it's worth, the fact that you basically spent an entire post saying nothing but "You're all stupid! I''d win a bet that you're all stupid!" was pretty entertaining too, so thanks for that as well.
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Crowfall just this month got a new $6 million cash infusion from outside investors, I'd say it will probably launch.
Besides, even if Crowfall does launch and somehow is successful, it was still fun to watch anyways. Unlike what Sedryn keeps yapping about, I don't "lose" just because a game "succeeds". Games are about entertainment, so I win as long as I'm entertained.