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So, Where Are YOU on Net Neutrality?

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  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Member UncommonPosts: 2,380
    The less government intrusion in anything...the better. That includes the internet.
    MadFrenchieAsm0deusFlyByKnightHorusraMrMelGibsondrivendawn
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    DMKano said:
    I haven't bothered to become informed about this subject.  At first blush it seemed like something I should be for, however once I saw the groups supporting it....I'm probably against it.

    It's next to impossible to get facts anymore, everything is agenda driven.

    I just don't care enough about this to go digging for the answers.


    You dont care that suddenly your ISP throttles streaming video down to the point where its unusable because they want to push you towards their cable TV package?

    The WORST decisions are made because of political reasons - like you said you looked at ehat groups were involved... umm the issue is what matters

    I guarantee you that there are issues you care for that are also supported by groups you hate.

    Taking a stance based on what political groups are against it is just dumb


    Welcome to USA 2017, where corporate puppets, pedophiles and bigots > opposing politcal party.

    These yahoos are so beyond reason the only thing left unfortunately is another Civil War.
    YashaXgrimal
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,966
    Expecting any company to police itself is just a bad idea.  
    YashaX

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,275
    Horusra said:
    YashaX said:
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    What makes people think Net Neutrality means more providers and better speeds.  Everyone always paints the rosiest future for Net Neutrality and the worst for the other side.  Maybe Net Neutrality means slow speeds because there is no incentive to make it faster and less providers because there is no cash for providing something better.
    Because net neutrality has literally nothing to do with investment and predictions. Improving the networks requires the same money whether net neutrality is present or not. Investment incentive is also non-existent in the US. These giants are only out to make money, not spend it giving neighborhoods better connection services. 


    Yes because socialist countries are hot beds of innovation.
    Well, you are the expert on "socialist" (sic) countries.
    Go to college and study and you can too.
    In Canada we learn about capitalism, socialism, communism, despotism, fascism etc. etc. in the public school system in when were are in our teens.

    You guys have to go to college to learn about that stuff?
    MrMelGibson[Deleted User]YashaXKyleran

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 7,275
    edited December 2017
    I think control needs to exist to some extent.

    People highlight all the goods but there are godawful downsides that are absolutely ridiculous. A free pass to criminal behavior on the internet, from pedophilia to harassment to even go hire a hitman and terrorism, the lack of control makes it so the most awful things happen and are literally immune, being hard to ever answer to such problems.

    Independent of what the solution should be, I think it should get some control, there should be something to ensure that freedom is something that is not above law just because you are online.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,039
    laserit said:
    Horusra said:
    YashaX said:
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    What makes people think Net Neutrality means more providers and better speeds.  Everyone always paints the rosiest future for Net Neutrality and the worst for the other side.  Maybe Net Neutrality means slow speeds because there is no incentive to make it faster and less providers because there is no cash for providing something better.
    Because net neutrality has literally nothing to do with investment and predictions. Improving the networks requires the same money whether net neutrality is present or not. Investment incentive is also non-existent in the US. These giants are only out to make money, not spend it giving neighborhoods better connection services. 


    Yes because socialist countries are hot beds of innovation.
    Well, you are the expert on "socialist" (sic) countries.
    Go to college and study and you can too.
    In Canada we learn about capitalism, socialism, communism, despotism, fascism etc. etc. in the public school system in when were are in our teens.

    You guys have to go to college to learn about that stuff?
    Nope, we don't learn any of that at any grade level in the US. We are too busy ensuring our public schools can teach to pass standardized testing at a Senior level based on what other countries can have 10 year olds do.

    It's a shame really. Undergrad College now teaches what you should have learned in high school, only they charge you 10 years worth of ridiculous debt levels for the privilege of getting taught the second time around.
    laseritMrMelGibsonYashaX
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    MaxBacon said:
    I think control needs to exist to some extent.

    People highlight all the goods but there are godawful downsides that are absolutely ridiculous. A free pass to criminal behavior on the internet, from pedophilia to harassment to even go hire a hitman and terrorism, the lack of control makes it so the most awful things happen and are literally immune, being hard to ever answer to such problems.

    Independent of what the solution should be, I think it should get some control, there should be something to ensure that freedom is something that is not above law just because you are online.
    I'm not sure how any of that has anything to do with Net Neutrality?  This is about keeping ISPs and big Corps like Verizon from making up their own rules as they go.  It's not there to censor the internet.  You should probably read up on the subject a bit more.
    RidelynnYashaXAvarix
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,039
    MaxBacon said:
    I think control needs to exist to some extent.

    People highlight all the goods but there are godawful downsides that are absolutely ridiculous. A free pass to criminal behavior on the internet, from pedophilia to harassment to even go hire a hitman and terrorism, the lack of control makes it so the most awful things happen and are literally immune, being hard to ever answer to such problems.

    Independent of what the solution should be, I think it should get some control, there should be something to ensure that freedom is something that is not above law just because you are online.
    I'm not sure how any of that has anything to do with Net Neutrality?  This is about keeping ISPs and big Corps like Verizon from making up their own rules as they go.  It's not there to censor the internet.  You should probably read up on the subject a bit more.
    I tend to agree. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for pedophila or harassment or anything else like that, but I also realize it's not the place of the ISP to police or enforce those things.

    No one is blaming the phone company for underage phone sex, or for allowing the setup of drug deals with burner phones, or anything like that. If an official law enforcement agency requests records, and has the proper warrant, they comply and provide records, and the ISPs are treated no differently in that regard. But that's a totally different matter than Net Neutrality - no one is advocating the phone company monitor who you call or what you say, they stay out of the content of your phone conversations. Net Neutrality is about ISPs getting into your internet activity.
    MrMelGibsonYashaXTorval
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,275
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/broadband-internet-access-rural-1.3898358

    This is our government's stance on the internet.

    Canada is very large country with a sparse population outside of the main population centers. Historically have to rely on public money for infrastructure outside of the population centers. It's not profitable enough for the private sector.
    YashaX

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,803
    I'm normally MUCH in favor of free markets. But the situation in the US is anything but a free market. Large parts of the country are lucky to have more than two sources (many only have one) for broadband service. This is a government granted and protected monopoly(or duopoly).

    That being the case, allowing the likes of Comcast and its ilk to do what ever they want to is the height of foolishness.   The results will be higher prices, less access and "sweet" deals for their cronies.
    YashaXAvarix
    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Member RarePosts: 5,484
    When Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all line up on the side of the government regulating something you know it's bad for everyone. How long did Google fight to keep their little sex crime exchange Backpage.com protected from lawsuits? Five years? Ten?  The current net neutrality rules protected the internet about as much as the Communications Decency Act protected children forced into prostitution from being sold online.  

    "We have met the enemy and he is us." ~Pogo Possum. 

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,275
    When Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all line up on the side of the government regulating something you know it's bad for everyone. How long did Google fight to keep their little sex crime exchange Backpage.com protected from lawsuits? Five years? Ten?  The current net neutrality rules protected the internet about as much as the Communications Decency Act protected children forced into prostitution from being sold online.  
    This is all about monetization.

    Just think about it as... microtransaction based internet access. Now of course if you're a beneficiary, I could see you wishing to kill Net Neutrality. 
    MrMelGibsongrimal

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    When Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all line up on the side of the government regulating something you know it's bad for everyone. How long did Google fight to keep their little sex crime exchange Backpage.com protected from lawsuits? Five years? Ten?  The current net neutrality rules protected the internet about as much as the Communications Decency Act protected children forced into prostitution from being sold online.  
    Where are you and others that are misinformed getting your information?  Because you are being lied to or someone who doesn't have a clue is feeding you a line of bullshit.  This has literally nothing to do with what you're saying.
    Torval
  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Member RarePosts: 5,484
    When Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all line up on the side of the government regulating something you know it's bad for everyone. How long did Google fight to keep their little sex crime exchange Backpage.com protected from lawsuits? Five years? Ten?  The current net neutrality rules protected the internet about as much as the Communications Decency Act protected children forced into prostitution from being sold online.  
    Where are you and others that are misinformed getting your information?  Because you are being lied to or someone who doesn't have a clue is feeding you a line of bullshit.  This has literally nothing to do with what you're saying.

    Yeah people keep telling me government regulations aren't written by lobbyists too. There's only one question you need to ask to know what's really going on. Cui bono? 
    MrMelGibson

    "We have met the enemy and he is us." ~Pogo Possum. 

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,275
    When Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all line up on the side of the government regulating something you know it's bad for everyone. How long did Google fight to keep their little sex crime exchange Backpage.com protected from lawsuits? Five years? Ten?  The current net neutrality rules protected the internet about as much as the Communications Decency Act protected children forced into prostitution from being sold online.  
    Where are you and others that are misinformed getting your information?  Because you are being lied to or someone who doesn't have a clue is feeding you a line of bullshit.  This has literally nothing to do with what you're saying.

    Yeah people keep telling me government regulations aren't written by lobbyists too. There's only one question you need to ask to know what's really going on. Cui bono? 
    Well you know that drunk drivings laws came into fruition by grieving mothers lobbying the government.

    Everything come into fruition by lobbyists. Things get a little outta whack when big money gets in the way.
    MrMelGibson

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    When Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all line up on the side of the government regulating something you know it's bad for everyone. How long did Google fight to keep their little sex crime exchange Backpage.com protected from lawsuits? Five years? Ten?  The current net neutrality rules protected the internet about as much as the Communications Decency Act protected children forced into prostitution from being sold online.  
    Where are you and others that are misinformed getting your information?  Because you are being lied to or someone who doesn't have a clue is feeding you a line of bullshit.  This has literally nothing to do with what you're saying.

    Yeah people keep telling me government regulations aren't written by lobbyists too. There's only one question you need to ask to know what's really going on. Cui bono? 
    Ignorance is bliss.
    grimal
  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Member RarePosts: 5,484
    laserit said:
    When Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all line up on the side of the government regulating something you know it's bad for everyone. How long did Google fight to keep their little sex crime exchange Backpage.com protected from lawsuits? Five years? Ten?  The current net neutrality rules protected the internet about as much as the Communications Decency Act protected children forced into prostitution from being sold online.  
    Where are you and others that are misinformed getting your information?  Because you are being lied to or someone who doesn't have a clue is feeding you a line of bullshit.  This has literally nothing to do with what you're saying.

    Yeah people keep telling me government regulations aren't written by lobbyists too. There's only one question you need to ask to know what's really going on. Cui bono? 
    Well you know that drunk drivings laws came into fruition by grieving mothers lobbying the government.

    Everything come into fruition by lobbyists. Things get a little outta whack when big money gets in the way.

    Actually insurance companies had just as much to do with drunk driving laws. Grieving mothers were the public face. Sometimes public and corporate interests align. It didn't hurt that the insurance companies used their advertising budgets to really push the media companies to back the effort either. 

    Oh and net neutrality was a goner anyway. There was no way the courts were going to be convinced the Communications Act of 1934 gave the FCC authority to regulate the internet. It would have taken some serious foresight for congress to have anticipated the need. If they want a law to regulate the internet they'll need to pass a bill.  Good luck with that. 
    YashaXlaserit

    "We have met the enemy and he is us." ~Pogo Possum. 

  • KiwiHypeKiwiHype Member UncommonPosts: 233
    Today is the day (12/14)

    https://twitter.com/Machinima/status/939356395371094016

    This is a short clip with few words on exactly why every gamer should be fighting to preserve net neutrality. In a nut shell, without it you will see major monopoly on  data caps and internet speed  effecting everything we do because of games including email, social, media, research, communication.

    Protect #NetNeutrality
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NetNeutrality&src=tyah

    Good luck all and thank you everyone who has taken the time.

    MrMelGibson
  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Member RarePosts: 5,484
    edited December 2017
    Kiwiflava said:
    Today is the day (12/14)

    https://twitter.com/Machinima/status/939356395371094016

    This is a short clip with few words on exactly why every gamer should be fighting to preserve net neutrality. In a nut shell, without it you will see major monopoly on  data caps and internet speed  effecting everything we do because of games including email, social, media, research, communication.

    Protect #NetNeutrality
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NetNeutrality&src=tyah

    Good luck all and thank you everyone who has taken the time.


    Because we had throttling in 2015 before the regulations were passed, illegally, by Mr. phone and pen. Oh wait..... 

    Most of you aren't old enough to remember when there were data caps on internet and we paid by the minute. Then competition came to the market, without government interference, and all that went away. The few times companies have tried it since then they have gotten pummeled by the free market. 
    MrMelGibson

    "We have met the enemy and he is us." ~Pogo Possum. 

  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    Kiwiflava said:
    Today is the day (12/14)

    https://twitter.com/Machinima/status/939356395371094016

    This is a short clip with few words on exactly why every gamer should be fighting to preserve net neutrality. In a nut shell, without it you will see major monopoly on  data caps and internet speed  effecting everything we do because of games including email, social, media, research, communication.

    Protect #NetNeutrality
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NetNeutrality&src=tyah

    Good luck all and thank you everyone who has taken the time.


    Because we had throttling in 2015 before the regulations were passed, illegally, by Mr. phone and pen. Oh wait..... 

    Most of you aren't old enough to remember when there were data caps on internet and we paid by the minute. Then competition came to the market, without government interference, and all that went away. The few times companies have tried it since then they have gotten pummeled by the free market. 
    Yes, they have tried this shit before.  But Net Neutrality was what kept it in check.



    You can keep living in fantasy land where you think the free market will regulate itself.
    Phrydrivendawn
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 2,561
    laserit said:
    When Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all line up on the side of the government regulating something you know it's bad for everyone. How long did Google fight to keep their little sex crime exchange Backpage.com protected from lawsuits? Five years? Ten?  The current net neutrality rules protected the internet about as much as the Communications Decency Act protected children forced into prostitution from being sold online.  
    Where are you and others that are misinformed getting your information?  Because you are being lied to or someone who doesn't have a clue is feeding you a line of bullshit.  This has literally nothing to do with what you're saying.

    Yeah people keep telling me government regulations aren't written by lobbyists too. There's only one question you need to ask to know what's really going on. Cui bono? 
    Well you know that drunk drivings laws came into fruition by grieving mothers lobbying the government.

    Everything come into fruition by lobbyists. Things get a little outta whack when big money gets in the way.



    Oh and net neutrality was a goner anyway. There was no way the courts were going to be convinced the Communications Act of 1934 gave the FCC authority to regulate the internet. It would have taken some serious foresight for congress to have anticipated the need. If they want a law to regulate the internet they'll need to pass a bill.  Good luck with that. 
    ? NN has already been upheld in the courts.
    ....
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,154
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Kiwiflava said:
    Today is the day (12/14)

    https://twitter.com/Machinima/status/939356395371094016

    This is a short clip with few words on exactly why every gamer should be fighting to preserve net neutrality. In a nut shell, without it you will see major monopoly on  data caps and internet speed  effecting everything we do because of games including email, social, media, research, communication.

    Protect #NetNeutrality
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NetNeutrality&src=tyah

    Good luck all and thank you everyone who has taken the time.


    Because we had throttling in 2015 before the regulations were passed, illegally, by Mr. phone and pen. Oh wait..... 

    Most of you aren't old enough to remember when there were data caps on internet and we paid by the minute. Then competition came to the market, without government interference, and all that went away. The few times companies have tried it since then they have gotten pummeled by the free market. 
    There are data caps on the internet currently....
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  • DaranarDaranar Member UncommonPosts: 386
    Kiwiflava said:
    Today is the day (12/14)

    https://twitter.com/Machinima/status/939356395371094016

    This is a short clip with few words on exactly why every gamer should be fighting to preserve net neutrality. In a nut shell, without it you will see major monopoly on  data caps and internet speed  effecting everything we do because of games including email, social, media, research, communication.

    Protect #NetNeutrality
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NetNeutrality&src=tyah

    Good luck all and thank you everyone who has taken the time.


    Because we had throttling in 2015 before the regulations were passed, illegally, by Mr. phone and pen. Oh wait..... 

    Most of you aren't old enough to remember when there were data caps on internet and we paid by the minute. Then competition came to the market, without government interference, and all that went away. The few times companies have tried it since then they have gotten pummeled by the free market. 
    Yes, they have tried this shit before.  But Net Neutrality was what kept it in check.



    You can keep living in fantasy land where you think the free market will regulate itself.
    Well seeing as I am American, I believe the free market regulates itself better than a bunch of elitist snobs. That's what my preceding generations fought for and what I will continue to fight for. Some of us have ancestors who fought and died to not have every aspect of our lives controlled by an overreaching government. That sometimes comes with drawbacks when big companies act like morons, but that's the price of freedom. Ultimate freedom has this catch to it...other people are free to do business as they please too. Americans keep forgetting it's not just you that has freedom, it's everyone, and with freedom comes conflict. But oh is it worth it. The market will regulate itself, it always does, but there may be growing pains.
    YashaXAsm0deusMrMelGibsondrivendawn

    If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!


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