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Showing the volatility of the "loot boxes as gambling" issue, New Zealand and the United Kingdom seem to be at odds with one another. New Zealand's Gambling Compliance Office is of the opinion that loot boxes do not meet the legal definition of gambling. The UK Gambling Commission is taking a different tack and honing in on third-party sites that let "children as young as 11 wager weapon skins for real money" and thereby explosing them to gambling.
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apples and oranges. . .
Loot boxes are gambling period.
Agreed, this article is present a very specious comparison of these two things, with one clearly being a gambling issue.
Good article here for those unfamiliar with skin gambling
http://www.pcgamer.com/csgo-skin-gambling/
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
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I know you lack the requisite understanding to comprehend this, but this isn't even a debate on the morality of underage gambling. It's a debate on whether or not paid lootboxes fall under already existing regulations.
Do you know that the intent was mocking? What was he mocking? It doesn't sound like you got it.
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1.) The Laws are different everywhere, but they expect you to know them even if you are not a Lawyer and break something simple something they should have taught in school.
2.) They should teach more life stuff in School too but they don't things like why compulsive gambling is bad.
But the thing about American Schools they don't instead if you go to a public school they let you sit around for at least an hour a day doing, in reality, nothing if you want and don't care this includes bullying and heck its easy to get people suspended given every time bullying takes place the teacher just happens to be outside the Classroom at the time...
American public school lacks so much education in things when it comes to life skills, and so on an 8-year-old can learn much more off the internet, and YouTube of good or bad things that they can with go to school in a day.
The thing about Education, Schools cut cost on things like Security, and Staff, and this is why so many things happen like we have to read about on the news because the school cut both staff and security and then bad things happen.
So you are saying that violent video games teach violence?
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Gambling in games has also been used as a simulation, when in unpaid form (ie: the casinos in Pokemon games), and this has never been a significant problem. The problem is that lootboxes aren't a simulation of gambling; because you are paying real money for a randomized reward, you are effectively engaging in the real thing.
Actually, the definition would apply to both evenly. The only issue in dispute is whether the items have value... and if they do, then both would meet the definition of gambling.
Mix in that the fact the money they spend is very small, say £1 - £5, it wont seem like they're spending or mismanaging money.
It only takes someone doing a few times before they're addicted and once they are, no amount of education can fix that.
Like for most adult's this is an easy concept to grasp that you would normally not just go outside and shoot someone because you did this in GTA5, but when you get a bunch of Young Kids, because it's easy to get hold of a violent game and be playing it even with a parents back, then yes it has problems, there are obviously ways to help cure and prevent this kinda such as require an XBOX Live Subscription to even play GTA5, or rather Verification of your age along with XBOX One's feature of Facial Verification of people in the room.
Generally speaking though when you look at games which have heavy violence, and crime and you stick this together with a young person, they are like Guns are awesome, without the proper education about Life teaching them that you don't respawn in Real Life, and education that you should never harm people there is a higher chance that lets say if a kid was given a gun they would go out and harm others, or even get hold of their parents firearm and it ends up on the news as one of those shootings at a public school.
And I kinda speak from experience with this because I was one of those who was young, and playing HalfLife at the age of 7 years old, and Counter-Strike the original games sure I didn't exactly grow up to go outside and do harm to others but this is because parents knowing nothing about video games actually saw what they were like and taught some things/education on what not to do in Real Life as a young one.
But even then with a Internet full of things, you also have to realize how much bad stuff is out there, and I am not just talking about violence, but also games like Keep Talking and no one explodes, sure it's a fun game, but it teaches people about Bombs, not so much as instructions its supposed to be a fun game, but in the hands of a young person or Teenager it could teach them to google the B word, and with the right instructions how to build the B word, it's really not that hard it's pretty much how I got my education in Electronics, and computers I didn't the complete school for that matter, but the internet had everything I need to learn from there.
As for parental controls on a computer, when I was 9 years old I was bypassing these easily, and still it's impossible to censor everything on a computer from a young person which is why proper education needs to be put in place of teaching young ones that Video Games are just games, which should never be repeated in Real Life, including the gambling / lootbox problem that exists today, I once saw kids trying to repeat actions done by ninjas, and stunt professionals in video games and hurting themselves in school because they thought they could do it.
And especially with Virtual Reality getting more real do gambling warnings, and warnings about violence for that matter need to be in games.
https://nypost.com/2017/09/14/high-school-shooter-showed-off-assault-rifle-on-social-media/ ^ Just one thing that could have been prevented.
Its borderline gambling at least, but I hope it is classified as gambling regardless. Worldwide. Hopefully that will deter the wanker suits at the head of developer/publisher companies from going through the trouble and/or straight up make it illegal for it to be done in games made for minors.
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Also, abstinence only sex education is incredibly ineffective and only leads to an ignorance of safe sex practices and the potential consequences of not practicing these.
But gambling education will save the day???? Never learn from history do we? Why not just show kids how adults burn tax dollars by making a fire and just throw it in.
It is my opinion that a properly regulated capitalism is the only effective economic system. The free market is a powerful tool, but it is not a flawless system and requires occassional stipulations. When corporations overstep their boundaries and harm either the consumer, the worker, the environment, or the very competition that keeps the free market in place, government intervention is necessary. Self-regulation is possible, but if it proves insufficient, goverment intervention becomes the only viable solution.
Better to dumb them down.
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