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Can loot boxes be used for good? EA and others could use this idea and make loot boxes loved by all

TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
edited December 2017 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
Imagine if EA kept the loot boxes as they are...but used them for good. For every 5 dollars spent on loot boxes, they donate 1 dollar of that to charity.

Anyone complaining of loot boxes at that pointwould be quickly shut down because most people would have no issue with money going to charity...it would in fact be a negative to be against it.

Easy work around that would make EA loved, keep their loot boxes, still make money but also donate a lot of the money to charity.

Could that work in other games and MMOs in general? Pay to win MMOs would then be accepted as amazing if the developers donated a percentage of the money to charity and no one could be against it without being called trolls. Its an easy problem to solve, and would make any game company loved by all. Like if Trion did this with ArcheAge, suddenly they'd have one of the most popular MMOs because so much money would be going to charity.

Blizzard does this sometimes with their cosmetic pets, donating a portion of the funds to charity. But its only very limited times...imagine if it was constant and they always donated that money to charity. People get amazing cash shop items AND supporting charities.

What do you guys think of this idea?

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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    My friend suggested even further. Everything the company gets should be a small portion to charity. 15 dollars a month subscription, and maybe 50 cents or a dollar of that goes to charity or/and to those in need. That would entice people to subscribe to games. But any product should have a small portion go to charity.

    This would like I said in my post, give very good will for the company and a very positive view of that company. EA I use as an example because they are the most hated company...but they can quickly turn that around by donating each of their profits to charity. For every 10 dollars 50 cents could go to charity for example.

    While 50 cents doesn't seem like much, that would be 3 dollars to charity for a 60 dollar game for example and add that to all the people who buy it and it adds up a lot. Company still makes a profit, but now they are doing something great with a portion of their money and anything they do can no longer be something negative.

    I think doing this would make people like game companies a lot more than they do right now.
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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    edited December 2017
    So let me get this straight, you want us to be okay with corporations adding predatory gambling to video games -- as long as a portion of that money goes to charity? :confounded:
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    So let me get this straight, you want us to be okay with corporations adding predatory gambling to video games -- as long as a portion of that money goes to charity? :confounded:

    If it is good for state run lotteries, it is good for corporations, right?
    TheScavengerMellowTigger
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    So let me get this straight, you want us to be okay with corporations adding predatory gambling to video games -- as long as a portion of that money goes to charity? :confounded:
    but it wouldn't be gambling or a predatory mechanic at that point. It would be the companies rewarding the player for donating a part of the money to charity. The player gets rewarded with an item, and knowing they helped out those in need. So it would be more donating than anything.

    That is how I see it anyway, that it would go from a cash shop gambling item (which is how they are now) to a donation item.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    So let me get this straight, you want us to be okay with corporations adding predatory gambling to video games -- as long as a portion of that money goes to charity? :confounded:

    If it is good for state run lotteries, it is good for corporations, right?
    yeah, exactly. State run lotteries put a lot of the money back to the people and many donate to charities and those of need. So if game companies did this, even if someone didn't see it as a "donation item" (like I said above), it would still be helping those in need and helping fund the charities to help people.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    So let me get this straight, you want us to be okay with corporations adding predatory gambling to video games -- as long as a portion of that money goes to charity? :confounded:

    If it is good for state run lotteries, it is good for corporations, right?
    yeah, exactly. State run lotteries put a lot of the money back to the people and many donate to charities and those of need. So if game companies did this, even if someone didn't see it as a "donation item" (like I said above), it would still be helping those in need and helping fund the charities to help people.

    BTW, it is already happening. It is call "the corporate tax" .. although the new tax laws are reducing that from 35% to 20%. 
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,766
    edited December 2017
    Not while keeping the loot boxes monetization on games marketed to kids.

    The gamble is gamble, no donation to charity excuses the effect of cashing out on the potential addictive behavior of the practice. If they want to continue doing it, then keep kids away from it just like online casinos do and market it to adults.

    Using charity for good PR, rather meh.
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Rather they sell items directly and send a portion to charity.
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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    So let me get this straight, you want us to be okay with corporations adding predatory gambling to video games -- as long as a portion of that money goes to charity? :confounded:
    but it wouldn't be gambling or a predatory mechanic at that point. It would be the companies rewarding the player for donating a part of the money to charity. The player gets rewarded with an item, and knowing they helped out those in need. So it would be more donating than anything.

    That is how I see it anyway, that it would go from a cash shop gambling item (which is how they are now) to a donation item.
    If it involves loot boxes like you said in your title, then it is gambling by nature. And the portion not going to charity, the corporation is going to be making money off of it. 

    So they're tapping into player's gambling addiction nature in order to help a charity? You can cover manure with roses, but it's still going to smell like a pile of shit. 

    Unless 100% of the proceeds are going to charity, like WoW has done before with a few cosmetic cash shop items (not loot boxes iirc), then it doesn't count as charity. All it is is trying to cash in on people's good will. Even with 100% going to charity, it is a publicity stunt imo. 

    If someone really wants to help help a charity out of the goodness of their heart, donate anonymously. 
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    If nothing else, interesting idea OP. Well done.
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  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 523
    If you want to donate to charity, donate directly.  100% of the money gets into the hands that it is supposed to that way, not a percentage thereof.

    You also get to choose what charity to give to instead of giving to a charity that someone else favors.  

    And lastly, this idea pays 'them' (EA for example) 3 times and a charity once.  They get your money when you buy the game.  They get your money for the loot boxes.  And they get your money as a tax deduction when they give some of the money to charity.  The charity gets paid once, and likely far less than had you paid them directly in the first place.

    If you aren't going to give money unless you receive a gift in exchange, then it isn't charity.  Plain and simple.

    Imagine if they spent their OWN MONEY and gave a charitable contribution out of the goodness of their hearts instead?  Why do they need YOU to PROMPT THEM to do it in the first place?

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  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,605
    edited December 2017
    I find it just silly.  If I want to donate to charity I'll donate to it.  Not to mention the company won't necessary make more money from it.  So not likely they'll do it.

    Also I don't think it's good PR anyway, because people'll always question why such tiny percent is used for charity.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    No.

    /thread

    "Good" is subjective. If i bet EA shareholders find loot boxes pretty "good". Heck, may be i should buy some EA stocks to get in on the action. 
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  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,797
    edited December 2017
    Bernie Madoff gave to charities.

    Free Bernie !

    Has the MMO scene become a mental wasteland?
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,353
    If EA were to embrace your idea, they'd change it so that the headlines would only say an unspecified portion of the proceeds. and you'd have to read the fine print carefully to find is under 1%, and the "charity" it goes to is one that pretty directly benefits EA.
  • Jonnyp2Jonnyp2 Member UncommonPosts: 243
    I think EA should just bite the bullet and give the vocal community exactly what they want in a couple games.  Then use that good publicity to shove increasingly "predatory" loot boxes down everyone's throats complaint free.  When the public outcry picks up again, repeat.  
  • acidbloodacidblood Member RarePosts: 878
    Imagine if EA kept the loot boxes as they are...but used them for good. For every 5 dollars spent on loot boxes, they donate 1 dollar of that to charity.
    ... So the price of loot boxes just went up by $1? ... and they still ruin the game by (P2W aside) forcing it to have a shitty progression system...

    No, the only way lootboxes are ever 'accepted' is if they are cosmetic only and earnable at a reasonably rate in-game... and that's only if the game is F2P or has significant post launch support and content updates... which for the majority of games means that lootboxes are nothing but a bad idea, with reasonably priced DLC, free updates (to drive more box sales), and / or a subscription being far better options... at least from a paying consumers* point of view.

    * So not including the 'I want everything for free' crowd.

  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 664
    EAs charity is right in their back pocket.
    BruceYee
  • 45074507 Member UncommonPosts: 351
    No. Donating a portion of subscription/box/expansion price to charity would be a different story, but even lootboxes with 100% of proceeds going to charity would still have all the existing issues with lootboxes in terms of gameplay.
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  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 3,006
    Disagree because there is still loot boxes in game.

    This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  • AnthurAnthur Member UncommonPosts: 961
    A shitty idea (lootboxes) doesn't become great just by adding some cream on top.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    So let me get this straight, you want us to be okay with corporations adding predatory gambling to video games -- as long as a portion of that money goes to charity? :confounded:

    If it is good for state run lotteries, it is good for corporations, right?
    Which are labelled as gambling and have to adhere to regulations and licencing relating to such, if games that incorporate such also adhere to such regulations and licencing, then fine no problems there at all, it just means that the games will be labelled as 'adult' or 18+ (or higher in some countries) and abide by regulations that other online casino's and lotteries etc. are legally required to comply with, which btw, includes enforcing the age of players in a verifiable way. :/
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,955
    edited December 2017
    It does not matter what icing you put on it, gambling should not be in gaming. If EA or their players want to donate to charity there are countless ways to do so.

    We should judge organisations according to the rules they play by, not by whether they give to charities or offset their carbon emissions. What is the organisation doing, what are their practices? And throw in a pinch of realism, we can not expect them to be non-profitmaking avatars of social justice. But we can expect them to treat their customers fairly, that has not happened here.
  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    Nothing is loved by all!  
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Xodic said:
    No.

    /thread

    "Good" is subjective. If i bet EA shareholders find loot boxes pretty "good". Heck, may be i should buy some EA stocks to get in on the action. 
    You mean this stock?


    Yes. It went from $14.46 in 2013 to $104.37 in 2017. 

    https://www.google.com/search?q=electronic+arts+stock+history&oq=electronic+arts+stock+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.7447j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Wouldn't you say a great mid-term (4 years) investment?

    Sure you can look at 3 month fluctuation but i think you are not dumb enough to think that stock investment should be judged by a quarter, do you?
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