The thing with classic servers - for majority they are a flash in the pan, because after a couple of weeks the feeling "I've done all this before" hits you hard.
This is why I never even tried Lineage 2 Classic when it came out because I had no interest in doing what I had already did before.
What keeps people playing mmos is the sense of wonder of whats next. When you already know whats next your passion to log on will fade.
I think what he is saying is there will be a decent number but that there would be a large drop off after the initial surge in population. It is true I also think the servers will drop off and it will have a population but nowhere close to the number that try it initially and there will be a steady population that will stay.
However WoW has one advantage over the Project 1999 server in that end game content is not locked up by a few guilds making it impossible for others to enjoy the end game raids. In this respect the server will not be full of people so fed up once they reach top level .
People playing a game with no end game raid instances must accept that they will never see the end game content and be satisfied with that. I have when I originally played Everquest got even my epic so that aspect is not going to upset me but surely not everyone is happy with that.
DMKano is not wrong and anyway the proof is in the pudding we just have to wait.
Except the private WoW servers beg to differ. I'm not sure how much evidence you need to realize, Classic WoW servers have been desired for a while now. Not to mention a lot of people that thought about private servers did not like the idea of servers going bye bye and losing all their progression. Than again, everyone making these claims were also the same people that said Blizzard would never make a WoW Classic server and guess what, it happened.
You hit the nail right on the head here, people were playing Vanilla private server since TBC and they were allways full, salty ppl that never belived it would come are now trying to recover some of their lost ego by bashing it, too bad they are as bad at bashing it as they are bad at predictions.
Name 5 things that will make the wotlk'ers and onwards spit their dummies out if they play classic wow when the server launches.
I'l go first
1. No lfg 2. No heirlooms 3. Running everywhere 4. Having to drink mana water 5. Having to use CC
I can think of more can you?
I guess that you missed the point where Hazzikostas stated that WoW Classic will stand upon the modern WoW infrastructure. With everything that implies.
Having to do meaningless quests to get a level and experience towards your class/skills.
Wrong game design if trying to portray a ROLE playing game.
No lfg?? lol since when do you need a group to do solo quests?It only became a thing when players were done with quests and just raided 24/7,so at no point does the immersive part of the game ever act like a role playing game.
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I think what he is saying is there will be a decent number but that there would be a large drop off after the initial surge in population. It is true I also think the servers will drop off and it will have a population but nowhere close to the number that try it initially and there will be a steady population that will stay.
However WoW has one advantage over the Project 1999 server in that end game content is not locked up by a few guilds making it impossible for others to enjoy the end game raids. In this respect the server will not be full of people so fed up once they reach top level .
People playing a game with no end game raid instances must accept that they will never see the end game content and be satisfied with that. I have when I originally played Everquest got even my epic so that aspect is not going to upset me but surely not everyone is happy with that.
DMKano is not wrong and anyway the proof is in the pudding we just have to wait.
Except the private WoW servers beg to differ. I'm not sure how much evidence you need to realize, Classic WoW servers have been desired for a while now. Not to mention a lot of people that thought about private servers did not like the idea of servers going bye bye and losing all their progression. Than again, everyone making these claims were also the same people that said Blizzard would never make a WoW Classic server and guess what, it happened.
You hit the nail right on the head here, people were playing Vanilla private server since TBC and they were allways full, salty ppl that never belived it would come are now trying to recover some of their lost ego by bashing it, too bad they are as bad at bashing it as they are bad at predictions.
They were free to play.
Go slap a $15 monthly on those servers and see how full they are.
Yeah, Daybreak slapped a $15 on playing their progression servers and surprise surprise, they were pretty much full, kinda blows your argument out of the water
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I played WoW Vanilla - And I liked it ....................................IN 2004 ! I SINCE THEN I MATURED AND SO DID MY TASTES IN GAMING ! - YOU LIKE RETRO GAMING SO MUCH BOOOT UP PONG YA DUMBASSes .....
I swear , I had so meany arguments about this shit behavior .... Don't you want something NEW , IMMERSIVE , NICE GRAPHICS , A STORY THATS ACTUALLY INTERESTING - Nothing of what I said are present in your ... 2004 WoW Vanilla .....
I know we all have different tastes ... but wanting wow classic is just borderline insane .... Yeah I want to relive the experience of pressing 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 to kill the X so that Y won't drop cause ( Vanilla wow ) Also we all know how IMMERSIVE and GOOD LOOKING Vanilla WoW is .... you could look past the Visuals if it at least had some interesting GAMEPLAY ....
I don't know whats wrong with you people .... But I know its your Mentality that the Devs profit off ... Ohhh they will gobble up the same game released 10 years ago Muahahahhah Memberberrys !! ....
Just like Secret World Legends .... Same tactic ... Hey its 'NEW ' and 'UPDATED' )) ...... Must be so sad to have such low standards for FUN ! .... But I guess working at a job where you 'grind' / do the same thing - you can't wait to get into a game and grind/do the same thing again )
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I think what he is saying is there will be a decent number but that there would be a large drop off after the initial surge in population. It is true I also think the servers will drop off and it will have a population but nowhere close to the number that try it initially and there will be a steady population that will stay.
However WoW has one advantage over the Project 1999 server in that end game content is not locked up by a few guilds making it impossible for others to enjoy the end game raids. In this respect the server will not be full of people so fed up once they reach top level .
People playing a game with no end game raid instances must accept that they will never see the end game content and be satisfied with that. I have when I originally played Everquest got even my epic so that aspect is not going to upset me but surely not everyone is happy with that.
DMKano is not wrong and anyway the proof is in the pudding we just have to wait.
Except the private WoW servers beg to differ. I'm not sure how much evidence you need to realize, Classic WoW servers have been desired for a while now. Not to mention a lot of people that thought about private servers did not like the idea of servers going bye bye and losing all their progression. Than again, everyone making these claims were also the same people that said Blizzard would never make a WoW Classic server and guess what, it happened.
You hit the nail right on the head here, people were playing Vanilla private server since TBC and they were allways full, salty ppl that never belived it would come are now trying to recover some of their lost ego by bashing it, too bad they are as bad at bashing it as they are bad at predictions.
They were free to play.
Go slap a $15 monthly on those servers and see how full they are.
Yeah, Daybreak slapped a $15 on playing their progression servers and surprise surprise, they were pretty much full, kinda blows your argument out of the water
Umm they were - go look how full they are now.
Put all the progression servers together at peak time Sat and Sun night - Agnarr is the only one showing high.
1 server - yeap - so much for high popularity, as ab EQ1 server holds less than 4000 players.
Super popular....
Meanwhile P99 still has about 4-6K players at peak. Again - the numbers are SMALL
Also my argument stands - as my argument is puttinflg a price on servers that are currently FREE, so a huge % of players wouldn drop if that happened which is true.
Altho i agree 100% that a sub on the pirate servers , would no doubt cause numbers to drop ..
I also think that , and this relative to your EQ estimates .. but if EQ can support 2 classic servers and EQ has literally 1% of the following and fanbase of Wow , Wow should be able to sustain at least 6-10 classic servers ...Most likely substantially more than that ...
My mailbox has exploded since Friday. Email is so 2004, I know. However around 20 old friends and guildmates will return to play on Classic Server. Most of them bring their wife/husband, children, grandchildren or nephews/nieces. So that's 30+ paying players. Our old guild can't be alone in this. Then there's a good chunk of players who never got the chance to play Vanilla. The twitch slaves, players who follow the hype. How can anyone think there will not be enough players interested in Classic Servers and willingly to pay a subscription?
We all know gameplay was not that special. We all know it will be a trip down memory lane. Yet we remember the good side about Vanilla, friendships & playing together. Maybe after 3 months most of us will be gone again, but Blizzard will have their investment covered plus some healthy profit to show the shareholders. Meanwhile World of Warcraft is making the headlines, people are talking about it again. People are excited. Can't remember the last time a MMO created such a buzz. Can't think of any other MMO I want to play in release state.
It would be interesting for me to see how much I have changed over the years. I went to WOW at release after spending a few years in DAoC and then taking a break from MMOs for a while.
I found it ridiculously easy and full of conveniences I had never seen in DaoC
But I'm probably just as spoiled by the new MMOs these days as most everyone else.
It'll be fun to check out just for that reason.
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Name 5 things that will make the wotlk'ers and onwards spit their dummies out if they play classic wow when the server launches.
I'l go first
1. No lfg 2. No heirlooms 3. Running everywhere 4. Having to drink mana water 5. Having to use CC
I can think of more can you?
Can't forget the players that find them self not noob will complain. That Blizzard not doing more to bring people in so they can fill up the ranks for old time raiding. If nothing change with the game on the base system.
Didn't millions of people play vanilla WoW? Why do people act like old MMORPGs are some special survival story that no other human is capable of enduring?
I never played WoW because I didn't have a gaming PC wasn't aware of them. When I did fall into this space it was a bit too late to go back and try. Now that they're bringing back Vanilla (with quality of life fixes I'm SURE) I'm actually interested in trying it out and seeing what the hoopla was about. I'm also interested in researching where "Go back to WoW" originates.
If it was such a great game and such a testament to human intestinal fortitude why is it used as an insult? Also will there be Vanilla PVP servers?
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This will be great. Never mind the doomsayers who are mostly the same people who have been claiming for years that this would never happen.
Of course it will not be millions of players, but it will be enough to sustain a fun vanilla experience. The success of some private servers, the fact that the enthusiasm has not disappeared over so many years show it will be at least reasonably successful. To top it all, the fact that Blizzard decided to bring back Vanilla after resisting the idea for years clearly indicates they finally came to the conclusion that there was enough persistent enthusiasm among fan base that justified doing it.
And my list of what will make a spoiled player cry:
1- Accountability, the consequences of having a good or bad reputation 2- Having to travel which can take a lot of time especially if you are traveling across continents 3- The time it takes to level 4- Being unable to gather 2507845 mobs around and just nuke them 5- Crafting providing actually useful items
when nostalgia wears off the vets will be leaving in droves.
The thing with classic servers - for majority they are a flash in the pan, because after a couple of weeks the feeling "I've done all this before" hits you hard.
It will be interesting to see how long people last on classic servers before quitting, because deja-vu is cool at first, but fades fast.
But thousands played on private servers like nos me included for very long time 60 priest 60 hunter 60 druid , and I still think it' best mmorpg around and I first played wow early 2005
And those thousands are representative of a minority.
What % of 12million players will play classic servers at all?
What % will play for more than 1 month? 3months? 6?
You are going to find very rapidly dwindling numbers as time goes on
Actually over 100 million have played WoW over the years if even 1% (lowball number) come back that's a million players.
I still have one or two characters with two letter names from vanilla before they imposed the at least three character for names rule. Those were some fun times but half of the fun was the newness of it all and exploring areas for the first time then grinding through them to get to the next.
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b-but broken talent trees and are huge part of vanilla experience!
more like actual talent tree's, unlike what we have now sure there is the cookie cutter builds but its so much better the old way
I dont even know how it works now, I quit mid MoP. In vanilla though the spec werent exactly "cookie cutter", people all used the same build not because it was the best, but because it was the only spec that somewhat worked.
Take paladin for example. Retri was an autoattack build relying on pure RNG to do any sort of dmg (pretty hilarious when RNGesus smiled upon you). Protection? What a mess. Also hilarious at times in 1v1 pvp, but you could never dream to tank any kind of raid content with it. Come to think of it, I dont think paladin even had a taunt back then.
From todays view 2 absolutely broken, non functional specs. Paladin was a healer class, because spamming heals and blessing was the only thing that worked reliably to clear the content.
Lets be real, they will probably use early BC talent trees for classic servers.
Name 5 things that will make the wotlk'ers and onwards spit their dummies out if they play classic wow when the server launches.
I'l go first
1. No lfg 2. No heirlooms 3. Running everywhere 4. Having to drink mana water 5. Having to use CC
I can think of more can you?
Lol OP, you listed all of that stuff and it made me excited. Probably gonna have to roll ally though since no Blood Elves, thank god for no pandas though
when nostalgia wears off the vets will be leaving in droves.
The thing with classic servers - for majority they are a flash in the pan, because after a couple of weeks the feeling "I've done all this before" hits you hard.
It will be interesting to see how long people last on classic servers before quitting, because deja-vu is cool at first, but fades fast.
LOL, the flaw with that statement is "I've done this all before"... that describes every incarnation of WoW since vanilla...
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This is why I never even tried Lineage 2 Classic when it came out because I had no interest in doing what I had already did before.
What keeps people playing mmos is the sense of wonder of whats next. When you already know whats next your passion to log on will fade.
I have never played WoW so I might try it.
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Wrong game design if trying to portray a ROLE playing game.
No lfg?? lol since when do you need a group to do solo quests?It only became a thing when players were done with quests and just raided 24/7,so at no point does the immersive part of the game ever act like a role playing game.
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A form a RetroFuk * people living in the past cause it to hard to accept change or to want something new and fresh .
I played WoW Vanilla - And I liked it ....................................IN 2004 ! I SINCE THEN I MATURED AND SO DID MY TASTES IN GAMING ! - YOU LIKE RETRO GAMING SO MUCH BOOOT UP PONG YA DUMBASSes .....
I swear , I had so meany arguments about this shit behavior .... Don't you want something NEW , IMMERSIVE , NICE GRAPHICS , A STORY THATS ACTUALLY INTERESTING - Nothing of what I said are present in your ... 2004 WoW Vanilla .....
I know we all have different tastes ... but wanting wow classic is just borderline insane .... Yeah I want to relive the experience of pressing 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 to kill the X so that Y won't drop cause ( Vanilla wow ) Also we all know how IMMERSIVE and GOOD LOOKING Vanilla WoW is .... you could look past the Visuals if it at least had some interesting GAMEPLAY ....
I don't know whats wrong with you people .... But I know its your Mentality that the Devs profit off ... Ohhh they will gobble up the same game released 10 years ago Muahahahhah Memberberrys !! ....
Just like Secret World Legends .... Same tactic ... Hey its 'NEW ' and 'UPDATED'
Have Phun you sad peeps .....
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I also think that , and this relative to your EQ estimates .. but if EQ can support 2 classic servers and EQ has literally 1% of the following and fanbase of Wow , Wow should be able to sustain at least 6-10 classic servers ...Most likely substantially more than that ...
We all know gameplay was not that special. We all know it will be a trip down memory lane. Yet we remember the good side about Vanilla, friendships & playing together. Maybe after 3 months most of us will be gone again, but Blizzard will have their investment covered plus some healthy profit to show the shareholders. Meanwhile World of Warcraft is making the headlines, people are talking about it again. People are excited. Can't remember the last time a MMO created such a buzz. Can't think of any other MMO I want to play in release state.
I found it ridiculously easy and full of conveniences I had never seen in DaoC
But I'm probably just as spoiled by the new MMOs these days as most everyone else.
It'll be fun to check out just for that reason.
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Why do people act like old MMORPGs are some special survival story that no other human is capable of enduring?
I never played WoW because I didn't have a gaming PC wasn't aware of them. When I did fall into this space it was a bit too late to go back and try. Now that they're bringing back Vanilla (with quality of life fixes I'm SURE) I'm actually interested in trying it out and seeing what the hoopla was about. I'm also interested in researching where "Go back to WoW" originates.
If it was such a great game and such a testament to human intestinal fortitude why is it used as an insult? Also will there be Vanilla PVP servers?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Of course it will not be millions of players, but it will be enough to sustain a fun vanilla experience. The success of some private servers, the fact that the enthusiasm has not disappeared over so many years show it will be at least reasonably successful. To top it all, the fact that Blizzard decided to bring back Vanilla after resisting the idea for years clearly indicates they finally came to the conclusion that there was enough persistent enthusiasm among fan base that justified doing it.
And my list of what will make a spoiled player cry:
1- Accountability, the consequences of having a good or bad reputation
2- Having to travel which can take a lot of time especially if you are traveling across continents
3- The time it takes to level
4- Being unable to gather 2507845 mobs around and just nuke them
5- Crafting providing actually useful items
sure there is the cookie cutter builds but its so much better the old way
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Let's be real this is the 800 lbs gorilla here. People are going to come in droves.
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Take paladin for example. Retri was an autoattack build relying on pure RNG to do any sort of dmg (pretty hilarious when RNGesus smiled upon you). Protection? What a mess. Also hilarious at times in 1v1 pvp, but you could never dream to tank any kind of raid content with it. Come to think of it, I dont think paladin even had a taunt back then.
From todays view 2 absolutely broken, non functional specs. Paladin was a healer class, because spamming heals and blessing was the only thing that worked reliably to clear the content.
Lets be real, they will probably use early BC talent trees for classic servers.
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