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Elysium 'Private Server' Shuts Down Temporarily Due to Financial Shenanigans - World of Warcraft - M

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  • GnogGnog Member UncommonPosts: 19
    I enjoyed reading your funny posts, Blizzknights. Thanks for the tutorial in Morality 101.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,439
    Gnog said:
    I enjoyed reading your funny posts, Blizzknights. Thanks for the tutorial in Morality 101.
    Condemning theft and cheating doesn't automatically mean defending the other party. Also, reading through the whole fiasco it seems many people do indeed need a tutorial in Morality 101 since a lot of people don't even understand the most basic things about decency or being a good human being, its kind of a lost thing these days apparently. Funny posts indeed.

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    It is just huge resource waste....'

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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 7,036
    edited October 2017
    The dates they restored the database is in July for Darrowshire. Forget it not going back.

    They just updated that to 20th September. I think its for the old servers which will most likely be empty because Light's Hope had close to 6k on their Elysium servers when they came on. The old servers are technically dead. Whitekidney did a good job by destroying the database.
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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,056
    Providing improved services for games will do far more to stop private servers than to shut them down using copyright laws. Internet services like steam have done far more to make people pay for regular copies compared to making intrusive DRM.

    The core problem, Blizzard don't see enough money in providing vanilla wow servers. The majority of people would rather be on a quality server than dubious servers like nostalrius and elysium but Blizzard looks the other way.

    Is it immoral to play on a private server? Since morals is more complex than right and wrong its hard to answer that question. However, according to the laws in my country its not explicitly illegal to play on a private server and my actions doesn't count as theft.

    If blizzard had a legal option I would turn to them instead.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,695
    The desire to want something doesn't make it neither moral or legal. 

    I pirate a lot of crap, but I realize I am being a piece of shit for it. I don't justify it by saying well my orphan guests really really wanted to watch Story of O but it wasn't available on Netflix.


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  • LawlmonsterLawlmonster Member UncommonPosts: 1,085
    Who's being hurt by the emulation of Vanilla WoW? A multi-billion dollar corporation? I think they'll survive.

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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    Who's being hurt by the emulation of Vanilla WoW? A multi-billion dollar corporation? I think they'll survive.
    That's absolutely missing the point that the content of those "emulation servers" is not the owners' to use. It belongs to Blizzard. The fact that this most basic of facts is brushed aside by proponents of the "private" server issue is disturbing.


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  • LawlmonsterLawlmonster Member UncommonPosts: 1,085
    SBFord said:
    Who's being hurt by the emulation of Vanilla WoW? A multi-billion dollar corporation? I think they'll survive.
    That's absolutely missing the point that the content of those "emulation servers" is not the owners' to use. It belongs to Blizzard. The fact that this most basic of facts is brushed aside by proponents of the "private" server issue is disturbing.
    Disturbing to some, pragmatic to others. Probably best to get over it, nothing's going to change unless Blizzard seeks extreme legal ramifications or offers a paid service for Vanilla.
    Gdemami

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    SBFord said:
    Who's being hurt by the emulation of Vanilla WoW? A multi-billion dollar corporation? I think they'll survive.
    That's absolutely missing the point that the content of those "emulation servers" is not the owners' to use. It belongs to Blizzard. The fact that this most basic of facts is brushed aside by proponents of the "private" server issue is disturbing.
    Disturbing to some, pragmatic to others. Probably best to get over it, nothing's going to change unless Blizzard seeks extreme legal ramifications or offers a paid service for Vanilla.
    I would submit the fact that they chose to do neither is evidence to support the idea the Blizzard does not see it disturbing or disgusting enough to warrant those actions.

    I think, if they were being honest, most of the devs at Blizzard would submit they, at least, understand the desire of some to play the vanilla version of WoW, even if they don't think it's profitable enough an endeavor to warrant their time.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,067
    edited October 2017
    I think, if they were being honest, most of the devs at Blizzard would submit they, at least, understand the desire of some to play the vanilla version of WoW, even if they don't think it's profitable enough an endeavor to warrant their time.
    They did, 'countless' times over the years...

    From Blizzard's perspective it is pointless endeavor, it is 'been there, done that' waters. There is a no point going back, especially with no way going forward...
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  • PAL-18PAL-18 Member UncommonPosts: 844

    SBFord said:

    Honestly, is anyone surprised? The temptation's real.




    No,its awesome that they can offer Vanilla servers for gamers.
    Im surprised that they can fight against gold selling and blizzard allowed and even legalized it.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,313
    Torval said:
    I'm surprised there aren't more people outraged that so many people got screwed over after donating in good faith. In this case gamers literally got cheated out of their money. Sad. I hope that team is held accountable.
    wait .. wait.. are you saying that thieves got cheated out of there money .. You have got to kidding me ..

             And you want the team of bigger thieves to be accountable .. ???

              Sorry Torv , they all get what they deserve here
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    Scorchien said:
    Torval said:
    I'm surprised there aren't more people outraged that so many people got screwed over after donating in good faith. In this case gamers literally got cheated out of their money. Sad. I hope that team is held accountable.
    wait .. wait.. are you saying that thieves got cheated out of there money .. You have got to kidding me ..

             And you want the team of bigger thieves to be accountable .. ???

              Sorry Torv , they all get what they deserve here
    I do think the dirty pirates that stole money deserve to held accountable, legally. I don't think the money should be returned to anyone. Both parties being wrong doesn't mean the admin team should be let off. They shouldn't.

    The justice isn't for the people that got cheated. They did get the consequences of their choice. The justice is for a society that shouldn't tolerate this sort of behavior. It's to send message on principle that we should be behaving better and those that break laws will be punished.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,313
    Torval said:
    Scorchien said:
    Torval said:
    I'm surprised there aren't more people outraged that so many people got screwed over after donating in good faith. In this case gamers literally got cheated out of their money. Sad. I hope that team is held accountable.
    wait .. wait.. are you saying that thieves got cheated out of there money .. You have got to kidding me ..

             And you want the team of bigger thieves to be accountable .. ???

              Sorry Torv , they all get what they deserve here
    I do think the dirty pirates that stole money deserve to held accountable, legally. I don't think the money should be returned to anyone. Both parties being wrong doesn't mean the admin team should be let off. They shouldn't.

    The justice isn't for the people that got cheated. They did get the consequences of their choice. The justice is for a society that shouldn't tolerate this sort of behavior. It's to send message on principle that we should be behaving better and those that break laws will be punished.
    Then why you feel bad for those players ..They got what they deserve .. Actually would be a bonus if they got there identity stolen, beings they advocate stealing ..

    "I'm surprised there aren't more people outraged that so many people got screwed over after donating in good faith. In this case gamers literally got cheated out of their money"

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,003
    edited October 2017
    Scorchien said:
    Torval said:
    Scorchien said:
    Torval said:
    I'm surprised there aren't more people outraged that so many people got screwed over after donating in good faith. In this case gamers literally got cheated out of their money. Sad. I hope that team is held accountable.
    wait .. wait.. are you saying that thieves got cheated out of there money .. You have got to kidding me ..

             And you want the team of bigger thieves to be accountable .. ???

              Sorry Torv , they all get what they deserve here
    I do think the dirty pirates that stole money deserve to held accountable, legally. I don't think the money should be returned to anyone. Both parties being wrong doesn't mean the admin team should be let off. They shouldn't.

    The justice isn't for the people that got cheated. They did get the consequences of their choice. The justice is for a society that shouldn't tolerate this sort of behavior. It's to send message on principle that we should be behaving better and those that break laws will be punished.
    Then why you feel bad for those players ..They got what they deserve .. Actually would be a bonus if they got there identity stolen, beings they advocate stealing ..

    "I'm surprised there aren't more people outraged that so many people got screwed over after donating in good faith. In this case gamers literally got cheated out of their money"

    Rarely is there much sympathy for the devil.

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    While I'm all for holding accountability and repercussions, going so far as to wish for further laws being broken to simply spite folks who have previously broken laws...  /rollseyes


    Vent your frustration for the world in general at the gym or something.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,313
    While I'm all for holding accountability and repercussions, going so far as to wish for further laws being broken to simply spite folks who have previously broken laws...  /rollseyes


    Vent your frustration for the world in general at the gym or something.
      Sorry brother , if someone wants to be a thief , and lay down with more thieves and then fund the thieves by purchasing gold from there gold selling service , I hope they get burnt .. badly ..
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited October 2017
    Scorchien said:
    While I'm all for holding accountability and repercussions, going so far as to wish for further laws being broken to simply spite folks who have previously broken laws...  /rollseyes


    Vent your frustration for the world in general at the gym or something.
      Sorry brother , if someone wants to be a thief , and lay down with more thieves and then fund the thieves by purchasing gold from there gold selling service , I hope they get burnt .. badly ..
    By having further laws be broken?  Where's the sense in that?  The punishment should befit the crime, not some misguided malicious wishes from someone who is simply watching something happen.

    Hell, most if the world won't even put to death murderers anymore because eye for an eye has been deemed a barbaric system of punishment.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,313
    Scorchien said:
    While I'm all for holding accountability and repercussions, going so far as to wish for further laws being broken to simply spite folks who have previously broken laws...  /rollseyes


    Vent your frustration for the world in general at the gym or something.
      Sorry brother , if someone wants to be a thief , and lay down with more thieves and then fund the thieves by purchasing gold from there gold selling service , I hope they get burnt .. badly ..
    By having further laws be broken?  Where's the sense in that?  The punishment should befit the crime, not some misguided malicious wishes from someone who is simply watching something happen.

    Hell, most if the world won't even put to death murderers anymore because eye for an eye has been deemed a barbaric system of punishment.
    Well im not simply watching , these servers and people that play on them in my eyes steal from me ..  Im protecting my investments ..

        And just to add some of these Private servers have already been linked to Identity Theft scams , Some are set up specifically to access peoples financial info thru gold sevrvices for that reason only .. Not to give people Vanilla Wow .. lmao

      But lets keep supporting these bottom feeding scumbags
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited October 2017
    Scorchien said:
    Scorchien said:
    While I'm all for holding accountability and repercussions, going so far as to wish for further laws being broken to simply spite folks who have previously broken laws...  /rollseyes


    Vent your frustration for the world in general at the gym or something.
      Sorry brother , if someone wants to be a thief , and lay down with more thieves and then fund the thieves by purchasing gold from there gold selling service , I hope they get burnt .. badly ..
    By having further laws be broken?  Where's the sense in that?  The punishment should befit the crime, not some misguided malicious wishes from someone who is simply watching something happen.

    Hell, most if the world won't even put to death murderers anymore because eye for an eye has been deemed a barbaric system of punishment.
    Well im not simply watching , these servers and people that play on them in my eyes steal from me ..  Im protecting my investments ..

        And just to add some of these Private servers have already been linked to Identity Theft scams , Some are set up specifically to access peoples financial info thru gold sevrvices for that reason only .. Not to give people Vanilla Wow .. lmao

      But lets keep supporting these bottom feeding scumbags
    Support?  I'm not supporting breaking the law, my views pretty much align with the post of @Torval's that I awesomed and with the likes of Constantine and Iselin- I've pirated music and played on private servers before.  I don't have any qualms calling it what it is, I knew the risks going into doing both.

    That's still no reason to wish future ill by having other thieves break even more laws and attempt to exploit individuals for vastly more financial deamage than you, me, Suzie, and everyone else here knows Blizzard endures because of private vanilla servers (which is pretty much pocket change to Blizzard, if that).  It's not equitable to wish some grandiose malice.  It just reeks of "they broke the rules, so I wanna watch them burn!" That's not a equitable punishment; that's you getting your rocks off spiting others.

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Whenever you can prove your own shit doesn't stink, then you can lay legitimate claim to the idea that you should be the arbiter of every petty lawbreaker's destruction.  Until then, let's keep it realistic and apropos to the actions taken, yes?

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    Scorchien said:
    While I'm all for holding accountability and repercussions, going so far as to wish for further laws being broken to simply spite folks who have previously broken laws...  /rollseyes


    Vent your frustration for the world in general at the gym or something.
      Sorry brother , if someone wants to be a thief , and lay down with more thieves and then fund the thieves by purchasing gold from there gold selling service , I hope they get burnt .. badly ..
    I want people to learn from their mistakes, stop doing the wrong thing, and start doing what's right. The consequences for their actions are hopefully enough, but I don't want anyone to get burned or punished just for the sake of it. The admins who did this did so with the intention of harming others purely for personal gain. They don't regret it and are setting an example this is acceptable behavior. I don't want those admins burned badly either. I want them to correct their behavior. By being held accountable for that maybe they will learn and the example will be set that this is unacceptable.

    I don't want anyone to be hurt or burned ever.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,313
    Scorchien said:
    Scorchien said:
    While I'm all for holding accountability and repercussions, going so far as to wish for further laws being broken to simply spite folks who have previously broken laws...  /rollseyes


    Vent your frustration for the world in general at the gym or something.
      Sorry brother , if someone wants to be a thief , and lay down with more thieves and then fund the thieves by purchasing gold from there gold selling service , I hope they get burnt .. badly ..
    By having further laws be broken?  Where's the sense in that?  The punishment should befit the crime, not some misguided malicious wishes from someone who is simply watching something happen.

    Hell, most if the world won't even put to death murderers anymore because eye for an eye has been deemed a barbaric system of punishment.
    Well im not simply watching , these servers and people that play on them in my eyes steal from me ..  Im protecting my investments ..

        And just to add some of these Private servers have already been linked to Identity Theft scams , Some are set up specifically to access peoples financial info thru gold sevrvices for that reason only .. Not to give people Vanilla Wow .. lmao

      But lets keep supporting these bottom feeding scumbags
    Support?  I'm not supporting breaking the law, my views pretty much align with the post of @Torval's that I awesomed and with the likes of Constantine and Iselin- I've pirated music and played on private servers before.  I don't have any qualms calling it what it is, I knew the risks going into doing both.

    That's still no reason to wish future ill by having other thieves break even more laws and attempt to exploit individuals for vastly more financial deamage than you, me, Suzie, and everyone else here knows Blizzard endures because of private vanilla servers (which is pretty much pocket change to Blizzard, if that).  It's not equitable to wish some grandiose malice.  It just reeks of "they broke the rules, so I wanna watch them burn!" That's not a equitable punishment; that's you getting your rocks off spiting others.
    Yea saw that post to and responded to it .. .. here ....

      Well , thats all well and good Torv , accept Blizz is not this giant corp monster that many want to portray them as..

    They are a Public co. owned by Hundered of thousnads of investors , who they have to answer to .. There Data does not support the stance that these servers would be profitable and the backers agree ,They cant go into throwing other peoples money around with callous disregard to the people that help build there Trademark ..

      The workable solution is not workable in there opinion which i would trust as they have made the right decisions for investors for 15 years now ..

      They are not self serving at all , they are serving the Investors , Who, the backs of there success actually rest ..
    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/468900/elysium-private-server-shuts-down-temporarily-due-to-financial-shenanigans-world-of-warcraft-m/p5#bHQXKp8BJAc32etT.99


                  

    MadFrenchie
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,313
    edited October 2017
    Whenever you can prove your own shit doesn't stink, then you can lay legitimate claim to the idea that you should be the arbiter of every petty lawbreaker's destruction.  Until then, let's keep it realistic and apropos to the actions taken, yes?
    I dont have to prove anything .. But i know what stealing is and was raised well enough to not do it , This is realistic , And if someone makes a concious decison to steal they deserve whatever they get in my eyes...
    MadFrenchie
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Well scorchien, I'm not attempting to be overly abrasive to you about it, just think it's a net loss to wish ill beyond what's appropriate for the action taken.  Most who play on private servers likely understood they were doing something outside the law.  They just also knew how small a potato it is in the grand scheme of Blizzard's pocketbook.

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